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The rats are jumping off the MXGP ship at a prodigious rate. I don't see how they can maintain the series with a quickly diminishing talent base.
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It always was.
Absolutely not.
Anyone who has been to a MXGP race knows that it is a special event with incredibly talented racers.
both series are different, but with equal levels of talent.
I have attended my share of both, and to go to some of these historic tracks in Europe and see the amazing fans, the culture, the way they do things in the Paddock, and the incredibly difficult tracks is special.
I do have to say that if you choose to do the VIP experience, MXGP leaves AMA motocross in the dust.
I just wish that the organizers of MXGP would stop racing on these stupid, flat parking lot style tracks that we have been seeing waaay too much of lately.
Sure, it’s making them money, but racing on these amateur style circuits is taking away from what makes European motocross special. Stick to the classic Euros style tracks please?
With Super-duper-cross becoming the most awesomeest extreme sport (just a level above Monster Trucks).... everything else is finished.
While you whine constantly about how shit it all is, I'd give anything to be able to see the racers and racing that the lucky people in the USA get to see in person if they choose to.
My bucket list is to get over my fear of flying and get over there.
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90 percent of this forum wouldn’t have been to a gp to ever know 😂
For me Mxgp is better than pro motocross for a couple of reasons , more depth for a start , variety of tracks makes it more interesting , 90 percent of ama tracks are just a different layout prepped exactly the same.
That being said supercross is where the money is and makes it the draw for these riders understandably so 👍
Based merely on Herlings bitching about being penalized?
there was been this talk since the late 80's when JMB came over,
while there is the OEMS spend the money racing it, , there will be a MXGP series,
To think MXGP is going anywhere is silly. To say its not relevant - is to say none of those guys racing are relevant. That is just not the case. Bad ass tracks all over the world or in the US. Prep can be argued either way, more technical or just shit. It would be a shame to lose either series.
More talent coming through than I’ve seen in a long time to , terrible statement 😂
I attended Lommel and Arnhem this year. The answer is absolutely not.
Define depth, because the American series are swimming in it right now with more coming soon on the horizon
Depth ( depth of talent ) mx2 has 8-9 riders who can win all under the age of 23 .
Mx1 similar Herlings prado Febvre Gajser seewer vlanderen Renaux can all win a race , tell me that’s not depth
3 or more of those riders are coming to the US in the next year or two? Prado and Coenen brothers, maybe de Wolf too?
And 3 more will come through ? I don’t blame them for going it’s where the sx money is it’s a smart choice , the original post saying it could be the end of Mxgp is ridiculous 😂
Comparing the 2 series during the last 40 years,yes,the GP‘s and european national MX scene is on a decline!The US are becomming more and more attractive for the young talent in europe.
It honestly doesn't look good for MXGP that's for sure. Got the most promising talent from the MX2 class going to the USA and the current MXGP champ going the the USA
Not to mention Vialle and both the Lawrence's left.
De Wolf also will be in the USA soon
JMB left, Albertyn left, Pichon left, Tortelli left, Vuillemin left, Townley left, Pourcel left, Searle left, Musquin left, Roczen left, Ferrandis left, Lawrence’s left, Vialle left. MXGP still here as strong as ever.
The question I would ask is if American moto is in such a good position, why are teams turning to Europe to hire their riders?
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If you truly want to fix the GP’s you need to ditch Youthsteam. Ever since the FIM abandoned the sport and sold it off those scumbags most things have gotten worse. Youthstream does not own the sport, its not their property to destroy. They are merely leasing it from the FIM.
MXA has been writing about this for 20 years….
Force Youthstream to (Not In Exact Order of Importance):
- Stop profiting off the teams. No more selling off team spots, charging them to race, etc. They are the talent/show.
- Allow anyone who can quantify & meets lap time standards to race. Again, they are the talent/show.
- Stop limiting the race to 20(ish) riders. The goal is the normal 40.
- Pay legit purse money / pay purse money far enough back to help fund small teams/privateers. Again they are the show.
- Stop basing as much of the schedule as possible on Third World countries, dictatorships, authoritarian governments who get races merely because they are willing to pay huge fees in an attempt to look like a normal country.
- If you are scheduling races in these countries there should be fixed percentage of the money spent on start money for the riders/ teams, team/rider travel expenses, higher than normal purse money, etc.
- ETC, ETC, ETC
T.V. coverage is the one exception. It’s very good
Again, MXA has been writing about this for years.
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Quite a paradoxical way of thinking.
The GPs actually became what they are now because of VIP experience type of shit.. Now they want it to be easier for the TV crew, shorter tracks, less mountain and valley type cause it's harder for the cables and the cameras.. They want to bring wannabees, influencers, and those 'VIP' people so it needs to be by an airport, concrete, no mud. Champagne, toasts, and white umbrellas..
Damn it's motocross, not a horse race.
Dude! Dude!!
There’s a whole wide world out there, much bigger than the USA.
YOU might think the US series is the only one relevant, and that’s fine, that’s up to you to think whatever makes you happy.
But to even think the rest of the world agrees with you is plain arrogant.
Send this thread to the dungeon FFS..
‘The American dream’
What IS exactly the ‘American dream’?
Because, all of those riders can earn a bomb riding in Europe. So earnings may have once been the big draw, but now the top guys are earning the same. And plenty.
So what is it?
Weather?
No language barrier? (They all speak English) Travel?
Girls?
Property prices?
Or is it simply- Supercross??
As riders from MXGP start taking spots on US teams I look for guys from the USA to start going to MXGP. There are only so many good rides available. MX thrives when both series are doing well.
GP riders are bad ass. Their series sucks because of who runs it.
Just like street circuits in F1.
Bogus.
AMA Pro Moto Cross.....riders have to qualify to make the top 40.
MXGP...often half filled gates...at 54 years old I could probably get a spot on the MXGP gate even though I'll get lapped 10 times...
The last question is the key. And i think we agree on what you're impying. There has never been a better time to be a really good young 250 rider in Europe or Australia that wants a shot at racing SX.
While I don’t think MXGP is going anywhere the depth of talent comment isn’t a good one. About 3 of the 5 guys you just mentioned are headed stateside. Just in the last years here are guys they have lost to AMA that quickly come to mind.
Marvin Musquin
Dylan Ferrandis
Jett Lawrence
Hunter Lawrence
Tom Vialle
Jorge Prado
Soon Coenen brothers, DeWolf.
While at the same time how many top guys have left AMA in favor of MXGP?
I love the truly European tracks and the announcers, just so many things about MXGP, but I do agree things need to get better or they will keep losing top guys and not gaining them.
Well said. Agree .
When factory teams in the US are either turning to Europe, or continuing to hire riders like Jordon Smith, Forkner, Hampshire, McAdoo etc, who are all late 20’s with 7+ years or more in the 250 class, and there hasn’t been really any talent coming through worthy of taking those rides away from them, I think that highlights a major issue in itself.
MXGP isn’t perfect, but at least there is very much a next man up system. Anyone that leaves to go abroad will be replaced by someone else through the system and some of those riders will develop to be way better than we may predict right now, that has been the case for well over a decade
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