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Im not typically a rule breaker with a history of being an ama referee, but im glad he gave'em the ol FU and hit it.
You invite these kids to a place like this to be the best and do the best you can do, then you limit them? Thats absoutely ridiculous. Dumbing down is getting out of hand. I am all for safety, but if these kids do it on their own, how can you hold that against them. If its about safety, then they shouldn't be invited to race these races on tracks with big hits. The finish was not any less safe than that other big hit with a monster face and soft little shitty landing. Im glad he got the tv time and exposure. Thats what mattered. Not the trophy. He didnt make a pass by jumping it, just maintained his lead. Im glad this didn't come up on tv because it makes our sport look so stupid.
Ps, the race he raced last weekend was baja. That whole track is so rough its far more dangerous than a supercross finish line jump.
Not to mention the championships he won at lorettas on an unmaintained track that bites more people than any "big" jump...
We all know who won that race.
So did he jump it during the race or on the last lap after the checker? They could always add a tuff block chicane before jumps like that to slow them down and make it impossible to jump also.
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I wonder if him being on a Cobra was a factor.
lol the ktm panic button. I get why other OEMs don’t put a ton of R&D into the little bikes but if you actually do some smart updates people will be loyal. All orange is no fun to see
This sport and the AMA gets dumber by the week....
Oh....it's already well down the drain. SX has turned into a complete joke.
I was really hoping he would huck it last lap, but he must have had the ama guy in his head..
“These days” yeah cause kids back in your day were perfect and listened to everything.
Kids do whatever they want, they are little shits generally. That’s what makes them cool.
They instructed the kid's not to jump it and he did. Pretty cut and dry. We all know he was the winner
If the kids were told not to jump…and they jumped anyways?
Sorry, not sorry. Because, I think it’s pretty damn cool of the kids to say,”Uh, no. It’s out there and we’re doing it!”
This 1000%
If there isn’t a Red Cross flag the track is open for racing around it just as fast as YOU can.
Didn they also change the rules for MX training compounds? Sorry your bikes CC is not allowed to jump?
ALL of the brands bring in their top sponsored brand ambassadors that bring it and probable are training at MX training facilities nation wide.
Who was the Amateur referee at this event?
The fastest qualifier, Chase Brennan, was on KTM and he was also doing the finish double in qualifying. He got a bad start but caught Carter before the finish line. Carter looks back and sees Chase and then sends the finish line jump which gave him a 2 second lead again. Chase catches back up to him again but then the race was over. They interviewed Chase after the race and he said they were told not to jump it so he figured it'd be smarter not to so he wouldn't get penalized and I guess he wasn't wrong!
Not everything is a conspiracy. Also as far as KTM panic goes, the kid was wearing an RMArmy hat and Suzuki T-Shirt in his post-race press conference interview since he's now signed with them for two years on 85's.
Since the decision had already been made why did they hand him the 1st place trophy while everyone was watching?????
Easy cowboy.. it was a joke. KTM was smart to come in and just make the mini bikes better so the kiddos start on orange and keep going orange.
If you think the kids shouldn't do the finish line that's fine, but saying its because they're on an "adult track" is a weird take. Do you think these kids ride the beginner/50 track when they race Loretta's qualifiers and any other major AMA amateur event? Last time I checked they race the same track...so I don't really think there's a case of "adult track" vs "kids track" with the level these guys are on..
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You know what I meant. Tracks for all ages are toned down in general compared to the track yesterday. Loretta’s is definitely not as intense as that track
Sending that jump was over cool! And arguably, doing it and receiving the penalty for doing so has given him more recognition than winning the race ever would.
BUT…………….
If riders, parents and fans want these kids to continue getting the opportunity to ride these tracks, they must obey the rules.
The promoters don’t HAVE to allow the kids to race. They do have a duty of care to keep people safe. They’re aware the obstacles can be deadly to the small kids & therefore have to impose restrictions- & penalise those who don’t follow the rules, OR , simply stop giving the kids the opportunities on the big tracks.
For the same reason we make them ride 65s.
For the same reason we make them ride with other riders their age.
Why don’t we just let them ride 450s?
Why don’t we just let them ride with adult pros?
Because it’s not safe & needs restricting.
EXACTLY the same as saying they’re not allowed to send the big doubles.
As long as it was made clear pre-race I am good with the win being taken away. Back in the day we had a night cross race at Frozen Ocean. C and D classes were not allowed to hit the triple, had to double it. Sometimes you need to protect the riders from themselves.
As I said earlier, if the kids were indeed told not to jump it, then the penalty was fair, along with the final results. The kid who was in second used his head, and won because of it.
But, as a few people have mentioned, a better solution is to re-route away from the obstacles that are off limits. This would allow the riders to ride the course before them them at their maximum potential.
In this case, putting a chicane before the finish line jump would've been better.
I’ll be the first to admit when I saw these crashes last year, I hopped on here and said I didn’t think these kids belonged on that track. I thought yesterdays track was very mellow compared to the large rhythms that last years track had. The finish line was Techy due to the speed trap right before it but these kids could still do it. Last years stuff had a lot more supercross feel without as much forgiveness for coming up short, the finish line last night was rolled a lot better and wouldn’t send you straight into a Scorpion. Like I said I didn’t see an issue with last nights track but didn’t like seeing these kids wad themselves on that shit last year.
They were told not to jump it and he did it anyway. I loved seeing it and I’m also fine with the penalty.
I'm glad he's getting publicity which is probably worth more than a win on paper. He's a good kid, and my son and I have both trained with him at Driven MX a few times(and had our butts kicked). He works his ass off, and has very good people surrounding him. I'm all in betting on this kid. As far as him breaking a rule over a jump goes here's the best song to go with it.
Watch Matt Burkeen’s YouTube videos from practice if you want to see the kids wad it up repeatedly. I’m shocked that none of them were seriously injured. Props to all the kids for having the balls to send the big jumps, but it is a little too much in my opinion. Like another poster commented, sometimes you have to protect the riders from themselves, and I think that is the situation here. These kids have no fear. Their parents are crazy.
This comment is laughable. “Kids these days” you old dorks gotta decide if they’re “too soft” or if this kid is too gritty. It’s always one or the other with you groveling old farts.
Honestly this thread is obnoxious. Kid jumped a huge hit and you guys are acting like the police. They told them 10 minutes before the gate dropped not to hit after they were allowed to all weeekend. the kid said screw it I’m sending it. He accepted the consequences but is an actual ripper so he just went all in. Still the winner. Still a legend.
Wait unitl youre a parent & something/someone presents themselves as negligent, your kid gets hurt and you're angry about it.
We were there, my kid was in the race.
In practice several kids hit it, and most were coming up real short and taking hard hits. They made it clear after that, that in the race the jump was not allowed. Had they allowed it, I guarantee a bunch would have hit it, and there would have been some awful hard wrecks. It was a good call not allowing it. The 65’s don’t have the speed after the wall.
My kid didn’t hit it in practice but was planning on going for it during the race.
Also noted, the kid in 18th place hit it in the main and got docked to 20th place
Also Brenan missed both practices on Friday because of bike problems.
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