Will we ever see a revival of 2 strokes?

You can thank the greenies for this. EPA and Euro standards are getting stricter year over year. Just not financially sound. In fact, I believe the Austrians will eventually begin to pull back on 2 strokes. Super Hunky predicted it long ago.

the bike buying public is what has killed 2 strokes,  the majority went out and brought 4 strokes, and still do, 

Idk, I went and did an off road race earlier in the year and was shocked at the lack of two strokes. I counted like 4 in the whole event. And that used to be their wheelhouse. 

I had some insight into why kawasaki didn't make them anymore,  basically the economies of scale where not there fro them to bother,  you see it with SUzuki as well,  they are making huge money selling cars in India, so its not worth them putting money into develpoing mx bikes,  (or sports road bikes for that matter)

He absolutely did, the BLM was the govt. agency to start the mess. Super Hunky absolutely hated them.

They will not.  Leaving big money on the table as well but we’ll happily give it to Yamaha.  Best bike and suspension anyways.

Tight, rocky, slippery single track is their bread and butter. GNCC and even National Enduro kind of stuff a four stroke is king. I keep mine around because of the simplicity.

Regardless of how the whole 4 stroke movement started, the fact is that a modern 4 stroke is simply the best tool for motocross.  No amount of frigging around with displacement, injection etc is going to make a 2 stroke better than any modern 4 stroke.

I love my new 300

I agree, until it comes to equal displacement 250’s, or smaller. A 250 2t will beat a 250 4t at some tracks, not all. And that’s what they’re scared of.

Smaller capacity bikes (125 & below) is still the domain of the two stroke.

All ICE going bye-bye, soon. 😒

What makes you think that? I don’t see the Stark selling like the YZ400F did all those years ago. The government is already trying to cram EV’s down everyone’s throat and it’s not working. I don’t see an electric take over in the making. 

Aren't we already seeing a revival of 2-strokes?      Maybe not from all manufacturers....but there are a lot of options.

The make for better racing....cheaper to maintain too. 

But the YZ400 was seen every week being raced by Doug Henry. The bike was legal to line up and race at all levels, from amateur to pro. Whereas the Stark is not. 

Also, the EPA did nothing years back to kill the 2 stroke. It was the factory's and the AMA and FIM allowing the displacement rules that did away with 2 strokes mainstream in the big bike classes.

So much Brappp.💪🏻

The Yz 125 has been beating all the Ktm brands in 135 emx & the big races here.  Biggest class in Wi. Is thd 2-st class, 125 class was the biggest in other yrs . This yr its about equal to 250c. The most popular track with 1,300, 1,400 riders LTM in Illinois has quaifiers for 125 & 2-st.  The biggest cash payout race in America is a 2-st race in muddy creek. , 2nd is GH Pasha 125 classes.  Most Americans r too ovr wt to ride a 125 or it would b much bigger.  Man is Alabama hot & muggy I Love it.  Trying to make sum dough out here to b able to hit some races in sept, Oct, etc.  not even a 1/3  now as a ic as 4 yrs ago. Ts prices more than doubled 

I enjoy seeing people claim that 2 strokes couldn't come back even with cc equal rules. Yet, as you see, the powers that be won't let it happen.  It's like 2 different worlds sometimes.  I believe with just a 150cc, 300cc and innovation, 2 strokes would be very competitive. As a fact, DC can't even allow those cc rules to be implemented. Why?  I'm pretty sure the oems are still scared of even those cc rules.  Otherwise it would be a no brainer.  Allow 150cc and 300cc to race proama, and say, "Now please shut up about 2 stroke rules." Even I would tell people to shut up, and I'm an OG of the 2 stroke Taliban.  Yes, I wish we had cc vs cc.  Never going to happen, so I don't waste everyone's time arguing it. 

Oh, and by the way. US epa rules never, I mean never had jurisdiction over race only machines. It's for a fact, in the actual law.  So, no they were never going to stop 2 strokes like the magazines and powers that be said.  Go look up the congressional legislation for the epa.  Fact.  Now that Chevron deference has been ruled upon, it's even more clear cut.  2 stroke race only bikes can be manufactured and sold in the US. And unless congress enacts new legislation that makes them illegal, the epa can pound sand. 

The Japanese (aside from Yamaha) don't want to bring them back.... too much money to be made on 4-stroke service/parts.

I’d say 5 years ago or so there was somewhat of a revival. Bunch of YouTubers rebuilding early 2000s 2 strokes for fun. I hopped on that bandwagon and rebuild an 05 yz250 from the ground up, added KYB SSS suspension, etc. I ended up selling after 1 ride though, just wasn’t nearly as fun to me as my 450. 

Confessions of a long time 2 stroke holdout. Younger guy (30) who has been on 2 strokes only since 2009. Experienced Vet B. Countless YZ, CR, RM, & KTM 250 2Ts. Bought my 1st 450 last year cuz it was a killer deal, and now that’s all I want to ride. It’s so much better everywhere. Rode my beautifully set up CR250 last week, and it just didn’t do it for me. The sound and the smell were awesome. But I didn’t enjoy riding it after 15 years on one, and then only 35 hrs on a 450. I’m sorry loyalists. But I am a turncoat. I fully expect to embrace the electric wave too… Motocross is always changing, mostly moving forward. Apart from nostalgia, I think the masses will stay in the 4-stroke mainstream. 

If all things being apples to apples, if there were a 350 or 400 2 stroke like the ktm 300 motor with counter balancer etc.  Tell me one thing that 450 would do better?  The 2 stroke would be lighter, more power, and handle better.  As a matter of fact, we'll not know the answers to those questions any time soon.  But the fact that everyone always says how great their 450 is, doesn't mean much when there isn't anything comparable.  The most similar comparison, is a 250sx to a 250sxf. Then we are in fact comparing apples to apples.  Then when someone says, they enjoy that much better, I understand and can see their point.  But comparing something that never should have been compared, isn't really a true comparison.  Jmho

And yes, sure I wish for 250 vs 250 and open class.  Never going to happen.  Waste of time even hoping.  But I do hope DC will some day allow 150 and 300's in. 

100% wrong

Yep. That’s it. The long and short of it was Mr. Honda never wanted anything to do with 2-strokes way back pe-1970s. But the engineers at Honda developed them behind his back anyway, since the other oems were making them. Honda allowed it, just to be competitive, but that prevailing mission to eradicate 2-strokes continued. Honda’s pressure on AMA led to rules that allowed advancement of the 4-stroke. The rest is history. 
 

So, we will never see a revival of the 2-stroke.
 

Yeah but your in Cal. Dried out hard pack or loose moon dust. No moisture in the air & kinda brain washed out west to think electric everything is the future. Glad u found happiness in your riding , that’s all that matters to u. Midwest sponge Loam or deep sand , much more technical tracks than the west.  Busy hill, turn, jump , turn etc. . My local track is loam if it’s worked but it never is. So it’s hard pack with square holes , 1/2 in to 3 inches of clay powder on top. It’s like riding on ice but I never s problem running 250,450f down& pulling away.  Much bigger deal to b a top 125 rider  in most states. Local track is 85+ % 2- st.  Mostly 125,s.  Verizon barely works here in the boonies of AL.