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I'd really like to see the figure that Star apparently wants for Them / their rider to participate.
I mean No Malice with that, at all.
Even with the MXdN being on home soil for the Brits, I'd not be surprised to see a mid 5 figure cost for their whole effort. You Don't (well, Can't - do a 'povo package' effort that would bring Huge ridicule) do it "on the cheap" on your home soil.
Max said Stars' 'fee' to the Brit Team would be 3 times their (current, I assume) budget. That could be quite a sum.
I very much doubt Max would be in a position to stump up the full costs. He's not been racing much, I very much doubt he's being paid much at all, with his recent change to Star, and may well have lost a fair bit on his leaving his previous team. I guess he may have had a bit of a pay day with that WSX250 title, last year, but, goodness only knows on that.
As a person that (many years ago, over a few decades) represented his country in three sports, having to pay my own way to do so, while being honoured to do so, I admit I'm bit hard on Professionals that, at their highest levels, make reasonably good levels of money, Not wanting to dip into their own pockets (for the Full costs). I know, that's a bit hard and judgmental on them - but f**k me, they Are Making A Living Through The Sport, so representing their Country, I think, is an honour they should contribute to.
Didn't Deegan make something like $500K just before the MXdN last year with his winning that SMX title ? On top of any contracted earnings / bonuses earned through the 2 traditional series? I read nothing about it ( the $500K) Not going to him, and Not the Team (as I think the WSX 'thing' did for riders) . So, I don't think money was a problem for him - well, I don't think it ever has been. *Good on his family for being well off, I say - I've not 'hates' for a successful 'business' * . Last year, with his whole 'Captain America' performances , it was rather strange to see him not (apparently) being willing to go.
This year, if he's getting some repairs done? - fair enough I think. But, He should make it absolutely clear that That is the reason he may not be going. If only to Not get Hammered by those looking for any opportunity to put s**t on him, and his entourage.
LMAO, the guy starts a thread and drags Max into to defend only God knows what in the name of Deegan and I am obsessed,lol.
The answer is zero and we only have a total of three podiums. But do we care? Does that affect our passion for MXdN?
Hell no!
Every year Australia puts together a team on a shoestring budget and turns up to race, no matter where it is, with whoever is available, and whether we have a chance in hell or not.
That’s what MXdN is about, it’s sad that some nations seem to have forgotten.
Is it just me, but does the private chef feel a little unnecessary...? Feel like you could save a load of money by grilling your chicken and boiling your pasta yourself.
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Here's their reasoning. I'm not sure that everyone on the team cooking for themselves is realistic somehow.
So does USA….
Is HRC on a shoestring budget?
Edit: I will give you guys credit, you do always show up and never really get a home race. Although a home race for AUS still means most of your riders have to travel a ways anyway
So, you’re saying Star management practices xenophobia? That’s a serious allegation. Got any facts to back it up——or nah?
If they do, it's from the country they represent. Not the IOC.
Read that again. I put the decision on Max.
I wouldn't say its that deep. I don't think that its breaking news that Star will spend more money on Deegan, Webb or Tomac to win America a MXON title than they would for Max to win one for Britain.
Last year was Star wanted $90k from the French federation to send Ferrandis. Not sure what they asked for Anstie. I would think the cost would vary greatly depending on whether Star already plans to be there with any of their other riders. If they are asking the same from GB as they asked from France that's probably a sign they aren't planning to go.
If you think a healthy JCoop sets this one out I got nothing...
That is absurd, but not surprising that star would try to rip someone off and pull a profit out of it.
Did you respond to the wrong post?
Did you not insinuate Star would not be going?
"I would think the cost would vary greatly depending on whether Star already plans to be there with any of their other riders. If they are asking the same from GB as they asked from France that's probably a sign they aren't planning to go."
Cripes, if true, well, $90K USD is effing Extortionate, Purple Simian.
Maybe they were trying it on / indulging in a bit of brinkmanship, to see if they could get enough money from the French Federation, that would cover Stars' costs if they were to send some US riders.
I could see say, $20K being somewhat reasonable, but $90K for one Rider and his package of Bike(s), Spares / Mechs, well, Aye Carumbah!
"If" man, I said "If". I have no idea how much Star wants from GB and I certainly didn't say anything about Cooper wanting to go or not.
That would barely cover Deegan's entourage's drinking tab.
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Wow, another crazy Vital thread... Just can't have a thread that doesn't go to Deegan or even the Lawrence's can we???
I have no issue with Max, he's a good dude. If his team doesn't support him going, that's not on him in any way.
Hyper-Narionalist…?
Wow. Exaggerate much?
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As for what Star wants to cover the MXoN…? It costs A LOT to pack up all the various bikes, riders, managers & mechanics & support personnel…etc. and ship the entire team of to another continent. And, I’m guessing Star isn’t getting add’l budget from Monster, Yamaha…etc. to cover those expenses. Therefore, the National Jurisdictions like the AMA should be figuring out a way to cover those expenses.
This has less to do with what Star want to charge the ACU , and more what they want to charge the AMA for Deegan.
I wouldn't race if I was Anstie either. Who wants to risk injury to stand up and represent a country that hates you and actively tries to replace you with foreigners.. I would get the hell out of there and never look back if I were him , although its just a different version of the same thing here in the usa
You’d think with the literal jars of dirt that Star is selling on top of all their other merch, they’d have more than enough to send all of team USA to the Des Nations on their dime.
Note: for us poors, you can even split it up into 4 interest free payments.
On top of all that, I think Bobby owns a car and/or truck dealership.
You are using facts to sleight a narrative in your favor which is dishonest. For example, you cite the 2023 U.S. team for the MXoN, which had Christian Craig, RJ Hampshire, and AP7. You use that team as an example to prove your point.
All awesome riders, but all you are proving is that unless an A-team is sent, little interest is generated. However, this would be true of any country not just the U.S. If Australia sent a team devoid of Jett and Hunter, how much interest would there be in Team Australia, which in your words, "would be a lot worst (sic) for the race if teamAustralia (sic) were to not go"?
In short, you use Australia's A-team and compare it to a B-team that the U.S. sent to make your point. What you are really doing is showing your rather extreme bias towards the U.S. (as if all your other low-blow jabs did not give that away).
Another example is you citing the last three seasons of racing to prove that Americans are not doing so great in their own series, so putting them on the world stage doesn't carry much weight (as if the MXGP is the gauge by which all is measured).
Why not go back 5 years, and only include the major titles (not regionals which splits the competition)? That paints a much different picture where the scales are tipped in our favor, not to mention currently there is a 2-time MX2 World Champion getting beat by a 18 year old American rich kid.
Would you really deny that if Sexton, Tomac, and Deegan went to the MXoN, it would not be the biggest draw of the event? Of course it would.
The biggest draw of the event will be Jett Lawrence.
If Deegan is not there, yes. If 38 goes, the USA pit will look like Monsters of Rock ‘91 in Moscow.
That may favor AUS though. Less distraction.
So if Tomac and Deegan go will Star invoice the AMA for the same amount as they want from GB?
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