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There wouldn't be anyone left.
You're out of your mind if think Earl May or Randy Richardson etc should have to race 25+.
Well, +25 vet pro and +45 vet pro as two additional classes would be better case, but we all know they aint ADDING classes..
My god man. They already have sportsman classes for +30 and +45.
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Ive already explained that "sportsman" is a crock of shit too.. still racing dudes that have qualified for nationals and night shows as professionals.
sportsman rules are booty. Winner this year went 25-25 at a pro national in 2010. Last year we had a current Venezuelan pro with factory yamaha support running up front. IMO if you've ever held a pro card. You should not be a sportsman. Plenty of other classes for those people to race. Definitely if you've ever made a night show or fast 40. Plus 30 sportsman shouldn't be going as fast as mid pack pro sport riders. lol.
You and I agree on this pretty much every year.
Yeah and a lot of guys are on the couch because the gate is full of A riders. The complaint is there isn't a single vet b/c class at all. They are all Vet A classes right now.
The changes you suggested to those classes would be fine and I agree with that.
I just don't get why we can't get a 30, 40 b/c at least. Nobody that has ever made a fast 40 should be allowed here. That would solve so many of the issues and numbers would go up. Just like Meister says numbers at areas and regionals would go up because there are so many of us that don't even try anymore. We know it's the same group of pros showing up at qualifiers taking all the spots so why waste the money if we have no chance.
That's basically what im suggesting, but without the pro card thing. They handed out pro cards like bottles of Gatorade in the late 90s early 2000s.. i knew dudes that got them just to get into nats through the pits to watch lol.. i just think there should be one age class for previous fast 40 guys, then the second class should be pro sport. The rest of the classes should be no fast 40... Maybe even make the 45 class the vet pro.. then any past fast 40 guy under 45 has to ride pro sport but the guys like barry and early could still have an "older" class..
This is NOT what you have been saying. Your suggestion was everyone who has ever qualified for the fast 40 should race +25 or Open Pro Sport.
It could be any ONE of the vet classes. I just think most of their speeds align in +25. Could be 40 or 45. May be better that way anyway because if they're younger than that they should still probably just ride pro sport..
+25 vet pro, +45 vet pro, 30,40,50 b/c. Top 3 at lorettas in b/c you gotta move up to the vet pro group...maybe this ccomment will go to the dumbgeoon too. I tthink this will bring out more pros aND joes
B/c is hard for them to police.. That change would directly benefit me tho so... Hell ya... Lol but itll never happen...
It's very apparent year after year MX Sports just needs to give you a trophy!! Every one these guys are racing the classes that they're eligible for just because you're Pro when you were a kid doesn't mean you can't race anymore there's not enough fast forties to fill up a vet Pro class at Loretta's tell me how many people were there that had made the fast 40?
His last statement confirmed that (would directly benefit him if they made it B/C). Sorry you're not fast enough Meister......not blasting you either because neither am I, but that doesn't mean others shouldn't be able to race.
I'm not looking for a trophy. Ive already got one from Lorettas. Do you? This, and my suggestions arent about me! Its just how I see it.
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Someone on cooksey YouTube said they spent 15k at Loretta Lynn Amateur nationals one year. Who here has spent a lot less and can tell me what is the minimum they spent there.
You still haven't answered the question how many fast 40s are at Loretta's is there a enough to fill the class?
Plenty of plumbers and carpenters have made the fast 40 over the years that wouldn’t win lorettas plus as you’ve stated they were supposedly handing out pro cards to every man and his dog so there is not a clear defined cut off line so while I understand your argument you really need to let this go. The Vet riders have become as bad if not worse than the kids for the everyone deserves a trophy mentality. The true spirit of competition is giving your best effort, period. If you qualify than that’s already an achievement then if you train and put in 3 of your best motos possible and come away with a 25th you can hold your head high. Everything else is just ego and social media bullshit.
This will all be highly dependent on how you want to quantify it. Are you talking all money spent for the entire process.... to get to the Area, the Regional, and LL ? Entries, travel gas, bikes, parts, food, etc. If so, very easy to hit 15K really quick
If you want to talk about just the actual National at LL, it is definitely possible to do it for less than 15K. Just a matter of how thrifty and willing to be uncomfortable you are. And what risks you will accept, as far as bikes, spares, etc.
Keefers podcast wrapping up this week with his buddy said 5K for the National all in for him
I only talk about it here once a year, and i don't start the topic. I just share my thoughts. Lol
While I agree with Meister’s point, they really need to stop calling it the AMATEUR national championship. I don’t care how old you are. If you’re 9 years old, home schooled, living at a training facility, you’re a Professional motocross racer. You ain’t some kid racing at Chickin Licks raceway on Sunday’s and catching the bus Monday. Maybe mom and dad are getting your sponsorship check but still. Mike Brown and any of the kids who won pretty much any other class ain’t all that different.
The c classes could b the worst cherry pickers. Riders dominate there regional then get hurt in 125 bc a Very fast class. The next yr they race 250 c limited to try to get a moto win or a title. The 50+ class for the majority is if you get a 9th in 1 moto with a 18th place start. Moto 2 start you get 28th you move up to 19th. Some pro ams hv low numbers as low as 12 in 250a. Most race 450a probably for the bigger payout. All you hv to do is finish both motos. A lot of 2nd motos they dns. Get 10 points per race . You get 60 points and your pro card which cost quite a bit more this yr. I think I,d rather hv a pro card than 8th at LL.
40 x 20 - z50 = squirrel
Our first year going my son made one class only , it was in 2022. I think it was about 700 total to register.
We drove from Washington in a Toyota echo . Gas for the trip was around 800 .
We stayed in a tent .
So about 1500 for the trip.
That would be an extreme example.
Please post a pic of your rig, that’s awesome
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