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When does Yamaha normally get their bikes to the dealers? I've only ever bought a new Honda and it was mid August when new model stuff came out. I know ktm came out super early a couple years ago. Yamaha 250f?
you guys pontificating that other manufacturers should build 350s ever think that they have marketing and accounting DEPARTMENTS that have already looked at the actual numbers and have decided to NOT build one.
I am really impressed with how Yamaha has been incorporating mid-gen updates for the last decade. We saw improvements on both of the two prior YZ-F platforms throughout their life, seemingly little stuff hinging on testing and feedback, but that added up to big swings in rider acceptance.
It seems like we are past an age where a company can throw a bunch of engineers at the product and see huge advancement. We have hit a point in MX bike development where testing and small changes (with engineering intimately involved) probably gets the biggest ROI when rubber hits soil, and Yamaha does seem to recognize that.
I think they changed the shape, not location. I saw on a video on YT, the guy was talking about how bad the peg mounts were. You couldn't put your feet right next to frame, the mount would create a gap.
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The 350 platform is one of the bigges sellers in the KTM Group portfolio.
IMO, we hit that point decades ago.
Refined, not redefined, has been the process for a loooooooong time.
Where is your data to back that claim?
Anyone pick up a 2025 YZ250F yet? Have any feedback?
Just imagine if Yamaha made the two strokes with the 22mm triple clamp and the four stroke swingarm…
Spoke with my wallet.
Did a few days on the 2025 YZ250F. Really like the stock suspension. I did not touch a clicker yet. The stock map was weak on the bottom and I found myself fanning the clutch. Tried the Hard Hitting map and the Linear Torque map. Settled on the Linear Torque. Much better bottom and revs quickly and cleanly with impressive top end. I was riding a tight track and had to use 2nd in basically every corner. Would need to add a few teeth to make 3rd more usable on tighter tracks, if that's your preference.
Marketing and accounting departments thought the Pontiac Aztek was a good idea.
I'm not really in the market for a bike, but the '25 250FX is very intriguing to me. The main reason is, at my Plus 40 stage of life, I'm starting to get a little less sendy and have started to become a bit more interested in woods. My local MX track is doing a GP Series this coming year, which I'm considering doing a few. They used to just do 1 a year, and I would always try to do it. Also, a lot of tracks around here also have some sort of woods loop and I have been interested in riding them, here and there. The problem, my '21 YZ250F is absolutely terrible in the woods. The chassis feels so stiff, the engine is too abrupt etc. So the FX does seem like it could be a nice compromise. I think my biggest hang-up is my current bike is still pretty low hour and has some mods and is dialed. It's perfect for me on MX (only.) TD dual injector, peg relocation, WCL engine mounts - I love the older chassis etc. So I still spend most of my time on a MX track and I am afraid I would regret that move, once the honeymoon is over on the FX. But every review of that bike makes it seem like it could do it all and be competitive and fun. Tough call. I need to maybe soften my suspension to try and compromise, then turn the dial on my Vortex so that the 2nd map is a soft map. Maybe that will be enough to make me happy. If not, I might really be looking into that FX.
FWIW I had 2021, and 2023 250FXs and moved to a 2024 YZ250F for the new chassis this year. I did not enjoy the FX on the MX track. The suspension valving is too soft and the 18" wheel is like a boat anchor. I'm A/AA level, so maybe it's not as noticeable for C/B, but I had a hard time with it.
The real solution here, is to get two bikes 👍
The design department thought the Aztek was a good idea. Marketing and accounting did what they could for as long as they had to. lol
They'd have sales that are roughly the same?
Thanks for the input. Yeah, I'm not wanting to really compromise a significant amount on MX. I just want the bike to also be decent for woods sections (nothing like super tight or gnarly.) Maybe I let the reviews paint a picture of the new 250FX that is a little more versatile than it really is. Or just new bike hype getting to me a bit, not sure.
I would like to just add an FX to the line up but already have several bikes that each serve a purpose. So the only choice would be to replace the '21 with a '25 FX. And I really wouldn't want to do that unless I was positive it was the right move. Maybe I'll have to demo one. But your experience sounds logical and what I would be afraid of.
In '23, the position of the pegs were 5mm lower than the previous gen, and the seat height was 5mm taller. This made for a 10mm roomier platform between your feet and rear end. Much better for taller guys.
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Yes, I remember their marketing slogan. The Pontiac Ass-tech. With butt-ass ugly technology.
I would say they would be better but probably not a ton more. I think people would be happy to see a solid update like that
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