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DC gets to control the entire narrative in our sport. That's not good. Cooksey posted screenshots of the emails/texts between Bud/DC and it appears Bud is...

DC gets to control the entire narrative in our sport. That's not good. Cooksey posted screenshots of the emails/texts between Bud/DC and it appears Bud is telling the truth. The deal with the Promoter's Group vs MX Sports is sketch as hell and DC is lucky he wasn't sued. Talk about bait/switch. But as with anything in our bro-media, DC no longer posts here so it's not like anyone is going to confront him with conflicting info and ask him some hard questions.

Can you post those screenshots please?

I never saw them and don't wanna go down a Cooksey rabbit hole to find them.

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Greg Bauman posted this in a Facebook group regarding discussion of the same podcast. Greg promoted some nationals and USGP events back in the ‘90’s. 

(begins) 

Before listening to Davey's take, I'll give you my own take based on my real-life experience of promoting the 500cc USGP's there from 1990 to 1992, followed by an AMA 125/250 National in 1993 with my business partner Roger DeCoster. Simply put, Bud Feldkamp wasn't easy to work with. Despite having a mutually agreed upon contract with Glen Helen which clearly stated what equipment we were allowed to use for track preparation, and who was in charge of running the event, and who was in charge of obtaining sponsorship and picking various vendors, etc., etc; Bud wanted to stick his nose in everything. We were supposed to have exclusive use of the facility for one full week to build the GP track and haul in grandstands, fencing, haybails, and the like, but Bud would lock us out of the main gate if he was pissed about something and threaten not to unlock them unless we conceded something to him. He accused our track builder (Blake Hamilton, you're more than welcome to chime in on this) of being too hard on the equipment that he contractually agreed to make available to us, and he revoked our access to his D3 and water truck, forcing us to make last-minute and expensive arrangements with third parties in order to get the track built on-time. On the eve of the event Bud would show up, and without consulting me or Roger, erect his own VIP tents on prime real estate for his own family and friends and cronies, then we'd get into a shouting match about how many people he was letting into the event for free, despite us honoring a predetermined and agreed upon number of passes for his guests. This went on for four years, by which time Roger and I had had it with putting up with his bullshit. We informed Roy Janson and the AMA that we couldn't work with Bud anymore and were given a two-year hiatus to come up with another track for our AMA National. Roy witnessed some of Bud's bad behavior and agreed with Roger and I that he was deliberately trying to sabotage our event. Roy assured me that he wouldn't transfer our National to Bud during our two-year hiatus because he had no desire to work with him, but early into our search for a new location suitable for an AMA National, my marriage blew up and consumed all of my energy for the next two years so Roger and I decided to fold up shop and call it a day as promoters.

 

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mxnick wrote:
Greg Bauman posted this in a Facebook group regarding discussion of the same podcast. Greg promoted some nationals and USGP events back in the ‘90’s.  (begins) ...

Greg Bauman posted this in a Facebook group regarding discussion of the same podcast. Greg promoted some nationals and USGP events back in the ‘90’s. 

(begins) 

Before listening to Davey's take, I'll give you my own take based on my real-life experience of promoting the 500cc USGP's there from 1990 to 1992, followed by an AMA 125/250 National in 1993 with my business partner Roger DeCoster. Simply put, Bud Feldkamp wasn't easy to work with. Despite having a mutually agreed upon contract with Glen Helen which clearly stated what equipment we were allowed to use for track preparation, and who was in charge of running the event, and who was in charge of obtaining sponsorship and picking various vendors, etc., etc; Bud wanted to stick his nose in everything. We were supposed to have exclusive use of the facility for one full week to build the GP track and haul in grandstands, fencing, haybails, and the like, but Bud would lock us out of the main gate if he was pissed about something and threaten not to unlock them unless we conceded something to him. He accused our track builder (Blake Hamilton, you're more than welcome to chime in on this) of being too hard on the equipment that he contractually agreed to make available to us, and he revoked our access to his D3 and water truck, forcing us to make last-minute and expensive arrangements with third parties in order to get the track built on-time. On the eve of the event Bud would show up, and without consulting me or Roger, erect his own VIP tents on prime real estate for his own family and friends and cronies, then we'd get into a shouting match about how many people he was letting into the event for free, despite us honoring a predetermined and agreed upon number of passes for his guests. This went on for four years, by which time Roger and I had had it with putting up with his bullshit. We informed Roy Janson and the AMA that we couldn't work with Bud anymore and were given a two-year hiatus to come up with another track for our AMA National. Roy witnessed some of Bud's bad behavior and agreed with Roger and I that he was deliberately trying to sabotage our event. Roy assured me that he wouldn't transfer our National to Bud during our two-year hiatus because he had no desire to work with him, but early into our search for a new location suitable for an AMA National, my marriage blew up and consumed all of my energy for the next two years so Roger and I decided to fold up shop and call it a day as promoters.

 

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NSP139 wrote:

Nope they even used to allow quads out there at the same time would have to pull my kid off when they got out there!

Um..........wtf?! 

NicNak wrote:

lol they do not allow quads anymore but yeah it's all systems a go.

Not breaking up practice by skill level is insane. I went out with the A riders on Sunday. I'm not a total squid but I wasmt familiar with the track and I pulled off after a couple laps. Like I'm just in these dudes way, I'll just go out with the vets

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DC gets to control the entire narrative in our sport. That's not good. Cooksey posted screenshots of the emails/texts between Bud/DC and it appears Bud is...

DC gets to control the entire narrative in our sport. That's not good. Cooksey posted screenshots of the emails/texts between Bud/DC and it appears Bud is telling the truth. The deal with the Promoter's Group vs MX Sports is sketch as hell and DC is lucky he wasn't sued. Talk about bait/switch. But as with anything in our bro-media, DC no longer posts here so it's not like anyone is going to confront him with conflicting info and ask him some hard questions.

McG194 wrote:
People never cease to amaze me. The man stated a fact that one person controls the narrative in our sport and people downvote it. "Dammit, I...

People never cease to amaze me. The man stated a fact that one person controls the narrative in our sport and people downvote it. "Dammit, I want my info spoon fed to me." The lack of critical thinking in this society is astounding. 

... the original post got 9 downvotes... why? 

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mxnick wrote:
Greg Bauman posted this in a Facebook group regarding discussion of the same podcast. Greg promoted some nationals and USGP events back in the ‘90’s.  (begins) ...

Greg Bauman posted this in a Facebook group regarding discussion of the same podcast. Greg promoted some nationals and USGP events back in the ‘90’s. 

(begins) 

Before listening to Davey's take, I'll give you my own take based on my real-life experience of promoting the 500cc USGP's there from 1990 to 1992, followed by an AMA 125/250 National in 1993 with my business partner Roger DeCoster. Simply put, Bud Feldkamp wasn't easy to work with. Despite having a mutually agreed upon contract with Glen Helen which clearly stated what equipment we were allowed to use for track preparation, and who was in charge of running the event, and who was in charge of obtaining sponsorship and picking various vendors, etc., etc; Bud wanted to stick his nose in everything. We were supposed to have exclusive use of the facility for one full week to build the GP track and haul in grandstands, fencing, haybails, and the like, but Bud would lock us out of the main gate if he was pissed about something and threaten not to unlock them unless we conceded something to him. He accused our track builder (Blake Hamilton, you're more than welcome to chime in on this) of being too hard on the equipment that he contractually agreed to make available to us, and he revoked our access to his D3 and water truck, forcing us to make last-minute and expensive arrangements with third parties in order to get the track built on-time. On the eve of the event Bud would show up, and without consulting me or Roger, erect his own VIP tents on prime real estate for his own family and friends and cronies, then we'd get into a shouting match about how many people he was letting into the event for free, despite us honoring a predetermined and agreed upon number of passes for his guests. This went on for four years, by which time Roger and I had had it with putting up with his bullshit. We informed Roy Janson and the AMA that we couldn't work with Bud anymore and were given a two-year hiatus to come up with another track for our AMA National. Roy witnessed some of Bud's bad behavior and agreed with Roger and I that he was deliberately trying to sabotage our event. Roy assured me that he wouldn't transfer our National to Bud during our two-year hiatus because he had no desire to work with him, but early into our search for a new location suitable for an AMA National, my marriage blew up and consumed all of my energy for the next two years so Roger and I decided to fold up shop and call it a day as promoters.

 

this really opend my eyes a bit, i was siding more with Glen Helen until I read this. Seems the guy is very hard to deal with and no one needs that headache when trying to put on an event

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DC gets to control the entire narrative in our sport. That's not good. Cooksey posted screenshots of the emails/texts between Bud/DC and it appears Bud is...

DC gets to control the entire narrative in our sport. That's not good. Cooksey posted screenshots of the emails/texts between Bud/DC and it appears Bud is telling the truth. The deal with the Promoter's Group vs MX Sports is sketch as hell and DC is lucky he wasn't sued. Talk about bait/switch. But as with anything in our bro-media, DC no longer posts here so it's not like anyone is going to confront him with conflicting info and ask him some hard questions.

McG194 wrote:
People never cease to amaze me. The man stated a fact that one person controls the narrative in our sport and people downvote it. "Dammit, I...

People never cease to amaze me. The man stated a fact that one person controls the narrative in our sport and people downvote it. "Dammit, I want my info spoon fed to me." The lack of critical thinking in this society is astounding. 

DC does not control the narrative is why the downvotes.  

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Um..........wtf?! 

NicNak wrote:

lol they do not allow quads anymore but yeah it's all systems a go.

Not breaking up practice by skill level is insane. I went out with the A riders on Sunday. I'm not a total squid but I wasmt...

Not breaking up practice by skill level is insane. I went out with the A riders on Sunday. I'm not a total squid but I wasmt familiar with the track and I pulled off after a couple laps. Like I'm just in these dudes way, I'll just go out with the vets

Meh... If it's Thursday and pros are there I'll take a long break and spectate for awhile, then go out in the afternoon.

GH practice has never bothered me, and I'm slow. I just keep my head on a swivel and ride accordingly.

Also, this is every SoCal track, not just GH. They're ALL open practice.

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I get it’s a cool track to watch for us fans but ask a retired pro who has had to race it and I think they...

I get it’s a cool track to watch for us fans but ask a retired pro who has had to race it and I think they usually say it’s sketchy and dangerous and they hated it. 
DC seems like that guy people like to bash but when he’s gone those same people will realize he was adding a lot of value and will miss him.

McG194 wrote:
It's not always liking to bash someone when you don't agree with them. Davey has done a tremendous amount for the sport and when he leaves...

It's not always liking to bash someone when you don't agree with them. Davey has done a tremendous amount for the sport and when he leaves it my guess is it will be in better shape than he found it. That being said I don't agree with everything he does or has done. If the way the MX Sports deal came about is how Bud says it did, that is a pretty snaky deal. It's perfectly okay to like what someone has done overall but not like the way they do everything. People seem to think you gotta be a hater or a nut hugger with no in between. 

What exactly has he done but continue to shovel millions into his backside while paying main event winners 2500 bucks? The only reason any one is making a living on this sport is 100% from outside sponsors or for the top dogs contracts with their team. I’m so sick of people smoking DCs pole 

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wHaTs up kOoKseY mob derp

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SoCalMX70 wrote:
Meh... If it's Thursday and pros are there I'll take a long break and spectate for awhile, then go out in the afternoon. GH practice has...

Meh... If it's Thursday and pros are there I'll take a long break and spectate for awhile, then go out in the afternoon.

GH practice has never bothered me, and I'm slow. I just keep my head on a swivel and ride accordingly.

Also, this is every SoCal track, not just GH. They're ALL open practice.

The fact you accept this is normal is a big part of the problem with our sport  ,  

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DC gets to control the entire narrative in our sport. That's not good. Cooksey posted screenshots of the emails/texts between Bud/DC and it appears Bud is...

DC gets to control the entire narrative in our sport. That's not good. Cooksey posted screenshots of the emails/texts between Bud/DC and it appears Bud is telling the truth. The deal with the Promoter's Group vs MX Sports is sketch as hell and DC is lucky he wasn't sued. Talk about bait/switch. But as with anything in our bro-media, DC no longer posts here so it's not like anyone is going to confront him with conflicting info and ask him some hard questions.

LungButter wrote:

Can you post those screenshots please?

I never saw them and don't wanna go down a Cooksey rabbit hole to find them.

With you there Lung.

Refusing to click on any Cooksey video is one of my most admirable contributions to society and humanity. 

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DC gets to control the entire narrative in our sport. That's not good. Cooksey posted screenshots of the emails/texts between Bud/DC and it appears Bud is...

DC gets to control the entire narrative in our sport. That's not good. Cooksey posted screenshots of the emails/texts between Bud/DC and it appears Bud is telling the truth. The deal with the Promoter's Group vs MX Sports is sketch as hell and DC is lucky he wasn't sued. Talk about bait/switch. But as with anything in our bro-media, DC no longer posts here so it's not like anyone is going to confront him with conflicting info and ask him some hard questions.

McG194 wrote:
People never cease to amaze me. The man stated a fact that one person controls the narrative in our sport and people downvote it. "Dammit, I...

People never cease to amaze me. The man stated a fact that one person controls the narrative in our sport and people downvote it. "Dammit, I want my info spoon fed to me." The lack of critical thinking in this society is astounding. 

Amen, the saintlyness we put on people in the public eye.

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DC gets to control the entire narrative in our sport. That's not good. Cooksey posted screenshots of the emails/texts between Bud/DC and it appears Bud is...

DC gets to control the entire narrative in our sport. That's not good. Cooksey posted screenshots of the emails/texts between Bud/DC and it appears Bud is telling the truth. The deal with the Promoter's Group vs MX Sports is sketch as hell and DC is lucky he wasn't sued. Talk about bait/switch. But as with anything in our bro-media, DC no longer posts here so it's not like anyone is going to confront him with conflicting info and ask him some hard questions.

McG194 wrote:
People never cease to amaze me. The man stated a fact that one person controls the narrative in our sport and people downvote it. "Dammit, I...

People never cease to amaze me. The man stated a fact that one person controls the narrative in our sport and people downvote it. "Dammit, I want my info spoon fed to me." The lack of critical thinking in this society is astounding. 

DC does not control the narrative is why the downvotes.  

Many podcasters work for him, he runs the outdoor series, a good chunk of the amateur series, his employees are prominent in the TV airings, he owns a popular magazine about the sport and prints the program for the nationals, runs GNCC, etc.. If he doesn't control the narrative, he has alot to do with it. 

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DC gets to control the entire narrative in our sport. That's not good. Cooksey posted screenshots of the emails/texts between Bud/DC and it appears Bud is...

DC gets to control the entire narrative in our sport. That's not good. Cooksey posted screenshots of the emails/texts between Bud/DC and it appears Bud is telling the truth. The deal with the Promoter's Group vs MX Sports is sketch as hell and DC is lucky he wasn't sued. Talk about bait/switch. But as with anything in our bro-media, DC no longer posts here so it's not like anyone is going to confront him with conflicting info and ask him some hard questions.

McG194 wrote:
People never cease to amaze me. The man stated a fact that one person controls the narrative in our sport and people downvote it. "Dammit, I...

People never cease to amaze me. The man stated a fact that one person controls the narrative in our sport and people downvote it. "Dammit, I want my info spoon fed to me." The lack of critical thinking in this society is astounding. 

DC does not control the narrative is why the downvotes.  

Do you really think any media platform will post a negative story about anything MX Sports does? If they won't, then that is controlling the narrative. How many media outlets came out on the side of the kid that claimed and didn't get Deegan's bike? 

 

Note: I'm not anti-Davey I did say that he will most likely leave the sport better than he found it. If you look at any racing series in the world like F1 with Ecclestone then the current group or NASCAR with the France's they are controlled good or bad by one entity and descension is looked down upon. Most racing organizations seem to run under the benevolent dictator model and maybe that is the best way to run one. Racers come and go, the sport is forever.

I look forward to hearing Bud's side but that doesn't mean I will believe everything he says either. I've dealt with people like that who sign a contract and break it at every turn for their own betterment. Listen to both sides of a dispute, ask yourself what their motivation is and then make your decision on where the truth is, it's usually somewhere in the middle. 

 

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So say Glen Helen is 100% at fault, was Guy Cooper at fault as well when he stated he was screwed over with Cooperland's national? Are all the promoters who could hold nationals in Texas or the southeast at fault too? Are the only tracks in this entire country viable in saint Dave's world the same ones year after year? Good grief.

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MXA reliably criticizes MX Sports on a regular basis. Which may be why DC's minions attack the publication at the least provocation or mention of the magazines name.

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The fans need it to happen , almost every track on the calendar now is similar it’s boring , there should be hard pack there should be loam  , deep sand etc  

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SoCalMX70 wrote:
Meh... If it's Thursday and pros are there I'll take a long break and spectate for awhile, then go out in the afternoon. GH practice has...

Meh... If it's Thursday and pros are there I'll take a long break and spectate for awhile, then go out in the afternoon.

GH practice has never bothered me, and I'm slow. I just keep my head on a swivel and ride accordingly.

Also, this is every SoCal track, not just GH. They're ALL open practice.

scott_nz wrote:

The fact you accept this is normal is a big part of the problem with our sport  ,  

This is how it’s been for us and we know no other way here. We grew up with no split practices and our dads riding behind us on the “big tracks” towards the end of the day to make sure nothing happened to us. Is it right? Maybe not, but that’s just how it’s been so we’ve never thought twice about it

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Spoonguy wrote:
So say Glen Helen is 100% at fault, was Guy Cooper at fault as well when he stated he was screwed over with Cooperland's national? Are...

So say Glen Helen is 100% at fault, was Guy Cooper at fault as well when he stated he was screwed over with Cooperland's national? Are all the promoters who could hold nationals in Texas or the southeast at fault too? Are the only tracks in this entire country viable in saint Dave's world the same ones year after year? Good grief.

Lay off the juice bro. Its 90+ in Pennsylvania this week. Imagine running a national in fuckin Texas. Or anywhere in the southeast. Not to mention hurricane season and all that jibber jabber. 

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mxnick wrote:
Greg Bauman posted this in a Facebook group regarding discussion of the same podcast. Greg promoted some nationals and USGP events back in the ‘90’s.  (begins) ...

Greg Bauman posted this in a Facebook group regarding discussion of the same podcast. Greg promoted some nationals and USGP events back in the ‘90’s. 

(begins) 

Before listening to Davey's take, I'll give you my own take based on my real-life experience of promoting the 500cc USGP's there from 1990 to 1992, followed by an AMA 125/250 National in 1993 with my business partner Roger DeCoster. Simply put, Bud Feldkamp wasn't easy to work with. Despite having a mutually agreed upon contract with Glen Helen which clearly stated what equipment we were allowed to use for track preparation, and who was in charge of running the event, and who was in charge of obtaining sponsorship and picking various vendors, etc., etc; Bud wanted to stick his nose in everything. We were supposed to have exclusive use of the facility for one full week to build the GP track and haul in grandstands, fencing, haybails, and the like, but Bud would lock us out of the main gate if he was pissed about something and threaten not to unlock them unless we conceded something to him. He accused our track builder (Blake Hamilton, you're more than welcome to chime in on this) of being too hard on the equipment that he contractually agreed to make available to us, and he revoked our access to his D3 and water truck, forcing us to make last-minute and expensive arrangements with third parties in order to get the track built on-time. On the eve of the event Bud would show up, and without consulting me or Roger, erect his own VIP tents on prime real estate for his own family and friends and cronies, then we'd get into a shouting match about how many people he was letting into the event for free, despite us honoring a predetermined and agreed upon number of passes for his guests. This went on for four years, by which time Roger and I had had it with putting up with his bullshit. We informed Roy Janson and the AMA that we couldn't work with Bud anymore and were given a two-year hiatus to come up with another track for our AMA National. Roy witnessed some of Bud's bad behavior and agreed with Roger and I that he was deliberately trying to sabotage our event. Roy assured me that he wouldn't transfer our National to Bud during our two-year hiatus because he had no desire to work with him, but early into our search for a new location suitable for an AMA National, my marriage blew up and consumed all of my energy for the next two years so Roger and I decided to fold up shop and call it a day as promoters.

 

js256 wrote:
this really opend my eyes a bit, i was siding more with Glen Helen until I read this. Seems the guy is very hard to deal...

this really opend my eyes a bit, i was siding more with Glen Helen until I read this. Seems the guy is very hard to deal with and no one needs that headache when trying to put on an event

You instantly trust a Facebook post from a guy who tries to make a professional post but calls people cronies and then proceeds to tell us how his marriage fell apart in the same story? Maybe his marriage fell apart for the same reasons he had problems dealing with GH...maybe he's the problem considering his wife had enough of his shit too lol

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DC gets to control the entire narrative in our sport. That's not good. Cooksey posted screenshots of the emails/texts between Bud/DC and it appears Bud is...

DC gets to control the entire narrative in our sport. That's not good. Cooksey posted screenshots of the emails/texts between Bud/DC and it appears Bud is telling the truth. The deal with the Promoter's Group vs MX Sports is sketch as hell and DC is lucky he wasn't sued. Talk about bait/switch. But as with anything in our bro-media, DC no longer posts here so it's not like anyone is going to confront him with conflicting info and ask him some hard questions.

McG194 wrote:
People never cease to amaze me. The man stated a fact that one person controls the narrative in our sport and people downvote it. "Dammit, I...

People never cease to amaze me. The man stated a fact that one person controls the narrative in our sport and people downvote it. "Dammit, I want my info spoon fed to me." The lack of critical thinking in this society is astounding. 

The downvotes are because people are tired of the poster's constant whining about the media.

DC certainly has a big influence over the sport, but to think there's some master narrative that he's controlling is just tin foil junk. He gave an account from his perspective, Bud gave an account from his perspective, and people are free to reach their own conclusions. If someone reaches a conclusion with which you disagree that doesn't mean they haven't applied critical thinking.

I think there's plenty of room for both sides to fit into an accurate narrative. Taking Bud's word for it, MXSports did commandeer pro motocross from NPG. Taking DC's word for it, that had nothing to do with Glen Helen losing its national. Evidence for the latter would be Hangtown, Lakewood, High Point, Moto-X 338, Unadilla, Red Bud, Spring Creek, Washougal, and Budds Creek.

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3 sides to every story. 

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3 sides to every story. 

+1

Yours, Mine and the truth. 

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buds a pain in the ass to deal with its no secret. if i was putting on a series ever to this magnatude. the last thing i want to worry about is inconsistency or last minute changes or risks of it imploding. you can tell davey had to deal with that every time it came to glenn helen and he removed it from his life so he could have peace. i'm good with that.

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DC gets to control the entire narrative in our sport. That's not good. Cooksey posted screenshots of the emails/texts between Bud/DC and it appears Bud is...

DC gets to control the entire narrative in our sport. That's not good. Cooksey posted screenshots of the emails/texts between Bud/DC and it appears Bud is telling the truth. The deal with the Promoter's Group vs MX Sports is sketch as hell and DC is lucky he wasn't sued. Talk about bait/switch. But as with anything in our bro-media, DC no longer posts here so it's not like anyone is going to confront him with conflicting info and ask him some hard questions.

McG194 wrote:
People never cease to amaze me. The man stated a fact that one person controls the narrative in our sport and people downvote it. "Dammit, I...

People never cease to amaze me. The man stated a fact that one person controls the narrative in our sport and people downvote it. "Dammit, I want my info spoon fed to me." The lack of critical thinking in this society is astounding. 

GrapeApe wrote:
The downvotes are because people are tired of the poster's constant whining about the media. DC certainly has a big influence over the sport, but to...

The downvotes are because people are tired of the poster's constant whining about the media.

DC certainly has a big influence over the sport, but to think there's some master narrative that he's controlling is just tin foil junk. He gave an account from his perspective, Bud gave an account from his perspective, and people are free to reach their own conclusions. If someone reaches a conclusion with which you disagree that doesn't mean they haven't applied critical thinking.

I think there's plenty of room for both sides to fit into an accurate narrative. Taking Bud's word for it, MXSports did commandeer pro motocross from NPG. Taking DC's word for it, that had nothing to do with Glen Helen losing its national. Evidence for the latter would be Hangtown, Lakewood, High Point, Moto-X 338, Unadilla, Red Bud, Spring Creek, Washougal, and Budds Creek.

oh waaaaaaaaah. Tell me what I said that wasn't true. As stated above by others, he runs a magazine, the nations, Lorettas, GNCC, etc....you better believe he can squash negative press.

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6/21/2024 6:53am
DC gets to control the entire narrative in our sport. That's not good. Cooksey posted screenshots of the emails/texts between Bud/DC and it appears Bud is...

DC gets to control the entire narrative in our sport. That's not good. Cooksey posted screenshots of the emails/texts between Bud/DC and it appears Bud is telling the truth. The deal with the Promoter's Group vs MX Sports is sketch as hell and DC is lucky he wasn't sued. Talk about bait/switch. But as with anything in our bro-media, DC no longer posts here so it's not like anyone is going to confront him with conflicting info and ask him some hard questions.

LungButter wrote:

Can you post those screenshots please?

I never saw them and don't wanna go down a Cooksey rabbit hole to find them.

sorry. they were in his video. I can't post 'em. 

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6/21/2024 7:04am
McG194 wrote:
People never cease to amaze me. The man stated a fact that one person controls the narrative in our sport and people downvote it. "Dammit, I...

People never cease to amaze me. The man stated a fact that one person controls the narrative in our sport and people downvote it. "Dammit, I want my info spoon fed to me." The lack of critical thinking in this society is astounding. 

GrapeApe wrote:
The downvotes are because people are tired of the poster's constant whining about the media. DC certainly has a big influence over the sport, but to...

The downvotes are because people are tired of the poster's constant whining about the media.

DC certainly has a big influence over the sport, but to think there's some master narrative that he's controlling is just tin foil junk. He gave an account from his perspective, Bud gave an account from his perspective, and people are free to reach their own conclusions. If someone reaches a conclusion with which you disagree that doesn't mean they haven't applied critical thinking.

I think there's plenty of room for both sides to fit into an accurate narrative. Taking Bud's word for it, MXSports did commandeer pro motocross from NPG. Taking DC's word for it, that had nothing to do with Glen Helen losing its national. Evidence for the latter would be Hangtown, Lakewood, High Point, Moto-X 338, Unadilla, Red Bud, Spring Creek, Washougal, and Budds Creek.

oh waaaaaaaaah. Tell me what I said that wasn't true. As stated above by others, he runs a magazine, the nations, Lorettas, GNCC, etc....you better believe...

oh waaaaaaaaah. Tell me what I said that wasn't true. As stated above by others, he runs a magazine, the nations, Lorettas, GNCC, etc....you better believe he can squash negative press.

Did I say you said something that wasn't true? I said you got downvotes because you're a chronic whiner.

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6/21/2024 7:26am
SoCalMX70 wrote:
Meh... If it's Thursday and pros are there I'll take a long break and spectate for awhile, then go out in the afternoon. GH practice has...

Meh... If it's Thursday and pros are there I'll take a long break and spectate for awhile, then go out in the afternoon.

GH practice has never bothered me, and I'm slow. I just keep my head on a swivel and ride accordingly.

Also, this is every SoCal track, not just GH. They're ALL open practice.

scott_nz wrote:

The fact you accept this is normal is a big part of the problem with our sport  ,  

THE problem? Oh no... Save us Scott, from NZ.

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6/21/2024 7:31am

Did MxGP have enough with him too or just the poor attendance end that marriage?

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