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Nuh uh…😂
How can this even be debated? Safety has always been paramount for the FIM.
Shit, that's gnarly
If he whisky throttled it and missed his breaks he woulda got hurt more than likely no matter the berm or the run off. Feak accident in my opinion. Wrong time wrong place situation. I can imagine a number of scenarios could happen the same or worse anywhere on any track.
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Not reading through all 22 pages of this mess, but it is completely wrong that Rich Taylor who is in the industry with his X brand goggles, decided to sue the track and it could possibly be shut down in the future.
One of the reasons I decided to move from California to Arizona was because they shut down two iconic tracks because of lawsuits, Indian dunes and Saddleback park.
Now history repeats itself and the same thing has happened in Arizona. At one point they had nine tracks. Now they have two or three. 😬😡🤬
100% this. People need to take responsibility for their own actions - in this case signing the waiver and allowing his child to ride there.
This whole thing stinks only because KOOKsey with 1/3 facts right created a click bait title and video that got everyone riled up by painting a grossly false picture about cheating, signed waivers, cross dressing and calling rich names, claiming it was a Loretta’s qualifier (because of his hate for mxsports) only to release an edited video and then a follow up calling rich out to debate “the bad guy” (to only help this views) and drag his entire family by posting photos of them.
I won’t debate anyone on their feeling on the facts and the bottom line is the track was sued so people will have the right to feel the way they do. However, having known rich for over 30 years and his history as a rider, a friend, an industry insider and supporter I just wish the correct facts were presented for people to make their determination. Nobody is going to do that because they won’t take the time to read and find out before seeing the video.
We read threads all the time about tracks, accidents and flaggers where people continually call for change for safety. Rich did something about it and the track, which is still open will now think twice about safety. Rich did something that will have a track thinking safety first. To try to look at perfectly groomed photos of the turn in question and make a determination is laughable. Many factors of that day and the condition need to be taken into consideration to to determine the legitimacy of a case being brought. I’ll take Rich’s assertion over anyone in here and ESPECIALLY the industry self proclaimed bad guy KOOKSEY. The guy who tells people to burn their EKS goggles and then immediately pushes one his only sponsors, a goggle company as a replacement.
This is stuff happens all the time to tracks everywhere. KOOKSEY could have picked any one of this situations to make a video bit he didn’t because this time he could USE someone for clicks and people came with pitchforks.
Now, I expect the thread keeper Nathaniel who is heavily invested in this thread to reply to this comment and tell me I’m wrong….. 5…4….3…2….
Yea you're in trouble now, Nathaniel will be having words with you!
Fully expect my verbal lashing.
I didn’t watch the video cooksey made because I don’t trust many things he says. I just wanted to clarify since I made a comment above.
Embarrassing take that is clearly biased because you have known him for 30 years.
because we want rider safety we should be happy the rich “did something about it”. How about rich realizes the track isn’t safe and doesn’t provide them his business anymore? Clown take.
So confused, so you argue in one case that it can’t be a tracks fault yet in this case because your friend Rich sued it was a good thing because now the track will keep safety in mind???
That’s exactly what he did. Terrible take that literally makes no sense.
No lashing. I've actually never watched a single Cooksey video, before or after this whole fiasco.
I formed my opinion based on the statement Rich released, and then the photos of the track.
I completely understand your point of view, and your reputation has weight in my eyes and therefore I'll disagree with some of your points but I have no axe to grind with your coherent post.
The fact you guys think I'm the thread keeper is flattering, considering how many on this thread share my opinion on it. Only reason I responded at all is because you thought it necessary to call me out by name.
Nope…
Personally, I am on the side of knowing I take the risk every time I enter a track. My choice, my responsibility.
However, having known Rich…. It had to be a grossly negligent situation. He’s been around longer than anyone and hasn’t done this before. Like I said everyone is entitled to make an opinion based on wether you believe a track should ever be sued. I’m fine with that.
I just wish the correct facts and situation were brought to the Vital jury. They weren’t. A heavily formed hit piece was made with lots of facts and information wrong. This was done on purpose to drag Rich and his family first to make them look as liars, cheats and bad people. Which, ultimately tainted Rich and families reputation before people could make up their own minds.
Honestly I think a lot of people are like me and never watched the Cooksey stuff and only formed their opinion after Rich released his statement. Like I said I've never watched a single video of his.
Honestly, just trying to have some fun with you. Lighten the mood a bit. All good.
however, you should watch the videos. It will give you good context on how many people have commented here based on those videos and you will have a better understanding of where I am coming from. THOUSANDS of people have watched those videos and many comments here are based on them. It’s wrong. That’s my ultimate point as I’ve stated many times. Maybe some, like yourself haven’t. But I bet the majority have. Just look t the original thread about this. It was all based on those videos.
So when/where is the great EKS goggle bonfire of 2024 happening? I don’t have EKS goggles but I do love a good fire and can bring ingredients to make some s’mores 😋
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All am saying is you can’t have your cake and eat it too.
Yes I’ve known Rich for years and know his character better than lies spewed by KooKsey and the lies ultimately spread in the original thread about this based on the videos.
I said in my post above, I understand the disdain people have solely based on a case being brought.
His character was assasinated in those videos as a liar, a cheat and called a scumbag and then slightly retracted (silently) with an edited video. But the damage was done. So I’m here to say he isn’t a liar, cheat or scumbag. He’s done more for this industry then anyone practically combined and for him to bring a case means it has validity and should be at the minimum considered as such.
No,
I explain it above. As I clearly did in the original post. My post in response to GMan was simply pointing out how people quickly jump ship from time to time.
Read the next few responses. Feel I explain myself pretty well.
I actually will do some thread keeping by making a point lol....
Having a 30 year relationship with one of the involved parties might be just as bias-inducing as watching a Cooksey video.
You can disagree with me but my opinion is based ENTIRELY on Taylor's own statement.
If I am a track owner I d never let Rich or anyone who takes his side on a track again . Anyone who thinks what he did is OK should be blacklisted from all MX track s .
That’s fine, but sincerely I am not just having a conversation with you. It’s a thread that’s had thousands of views and countless replies.
I said your name, just poking because you have had a response or comment ALOT in this thread.
and NO, I am not like KOOKSEY. You have not watched the videos as you have stated. His videos were originally chalked full of lies, mis-information and bashing that can be fact checked. Not opinions. The whole first part of his videos were Rich and family bashing setting them up as liars, cheats and scumbags (word he actually used) BEFORE he got to the point of Rich’s suit. He then took the video down and re-edited it. He constantly says in his videos “he’s heard”, “he may be wrong” , “well I got some things wrong”.
dude, if you are going to compare my “bias” to his, at least watch and understand what he said and how he went about it compared to me. Then understand he took some of the false stuff out of his videos hours later.
for a fact, I know rich better than some click baiting scum with an agenda. I understand people will base opinion of rich solely on the fact he brought a case against a track and if that’s the only determining factor of how you feel about him, fine.
I am here to have Rich’s back as a human a friend and a person. I can sit here and this I will never sue a track, I’ve ridden 42 years and still don’t think I ever will. But like Rich, if I chose to do so it’s going to be because I feel it’s damn well warranted.
My point is your opinion is influenced by 30 years of friendship, and some others have been influenced by a crazy click-hungry fool.
If I had a friend involved in something like this, I would try to stay out of the public discussion on it because no matter what you THINK, your opinion is biased. Just the facts of life. If it was my friend I know I probably wouldn't be able to be impartial.
There are crazies on both sides of this discussion, but I think there are plenty of people in the middle who are just going on facts and not the click-bait nonsense. Just don't lump everyone who disagrees with you into THAT category.
And no I won't watch his videos. Why would I want to watch a bunch of lies, according to you? I'll keep forming my opinion on the facts.
Agreed, there was gross negligence, and it falls on Rich and Zach
Rich - Failed to see that the corner posed a risk to his son.
Zach - Failed to use the brakes and didn't stop in time for a corner
Do you truly have all the facts?
Have you talked with Rich? Were you there? Have you ridden the track? Did you ride it the day in question?
you don’t have ll the facts. Neither do I.
if you are going to try to compare my bias to KOOKsey then you need to at least know what you are talking about it. Don’t compare me to him.
The only fact I have is the type of person rich is. You don’t keep being friends with someone for 30 years if they aren’t solid people.
But- you are 100 correct. I should refrain from posting. 👊🏼
The facts we know are....
Rich signed his kid up to race.
He did so without knowing if the track was what he would consider "safe".
Rich's kid crashed at the end of the day after many motos had already been raced and his kid had already raced on the track that day.
Rich's kid got hurt after getting out of control on an obstacle that had been raced on hundreds (maybe even thousands) of times that day.
Rich got mad that his kid got hurt on an obstacle that he let him race on but didn't know about.
Rich sued the track for being unsafe.
So, given those facts, what are we left to think?
I think that Rich shoulda taken some responsibility for having his head up his ass all day and letting his kid race a track that he considered unsafe. Instead of doing that, he sued because he was too big of a dumb fuck to notice the track wasn't what he would consider safe.
What did I miss?
And for the record, I never watched the Krooksey video, I was on Team Rich until he came out and admitted that he sued the track himself instead of taking responsibility for being a shitty parent and putting his kid in a situation he deemed unsafe.
How is suing the track making our sport safer? Multiple people in this thread have ridden the track and said the turn is a non issue. As long as you use it as a turn and not a jump lol
FU!!!!!🤬
You must have me confused with somebody else. I never had a beginner friend that crashed on a double and I expressed something regarding the track.
And even if you fictitious story was true I would never try to talk the family into suing the track or try to have it shut down.
I've had two friends pass away that raced in the AZOTMX Master class with me. But neither of those events were in a AZOTMX Motocross race.
Thanks for bringing up those sad memories dickhead. Don't know how much lower you can go!
Please keep me out of anymore discussions.
Why the NDA and desire to keep this quiet if it's about safety and improving the overall sport? If you believe you are doing the right thing, why not tell people about it? How does making a track spend more money on insurance premiums promote safety?
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