Points to 40th

mx617 wrote:

The big difference to me between F1 and MX is whether the guys not scoring points are doing the full season. Is the guy in 32nd...

The big difference to me between F1 and MX is whether the guys not scoring points are doing the full season. Is the guy in 32nd racing all 11 rounds? I'd be surprised. So makes sense to have top 20 scoring points. 

F1 though the guy in 13th will run the entire season and should get points, if for nothing else than tracking the championship finishing position.  Finish the season in 16th - 0 points vs 17th - 0 points, thats dumb to me. 

zookrider62! wrote:

if the top 40 got points, and they bumped up the points to 50 accommodate, they would have to switch to combined motos earning points, not...

if the top 40 got points, and they bumped up the points to 50 accommodate, they would have to switch to combined motos earning points, not per moto. If they didn't, MX would greatly overshadow SX for SMX points.

zookrider62! wrote:

if the top 40 got points, and they bumped up the points to 50 accommodate, they would have to switch to combined motos earning points, not...

if the top 40 got points, and they bumped up the points to 50 accommodate, they would have to switch to combined motos earning points, not per moto. If they didn't, MX would greatly overshadow SX for SMX points.

RichieW13 wrote:

There are other ways to solve that problem.  They could just divide the MX points in half for the purposes of SMX standings.  Or they could...

There are other ways to solve that problem.  They could just divide the MX points in half for the purposes of SMX standings.  Or they could use average points scored in each series.  Or they could score it "Olympic" style, ranking riders on their final standings in SX and final standings in MX and combine for the SMX "adjustment points".

kxking wrote:

So if the winner only gets 25 points , then 22, then 20 etc. then everyone from 20-40 gets 1 point, where's the incentive to make...

So if the winner only gets 25 points , then 22, then 20 etc. then everyone from 20-40 gets 1 point, where's the incentive to make a pass if you are in 30th or even 40th?

Its like a participation award....

kxking wrote:

So if the winner only gets 25 points , then 22, then 20 etc. then everyone from 20-40 gets 1 point, where's the incentive to make...

So if the winner only gets 25 points , then 22, then 20 etc. then everyone from 20-40 gets 1 point, where's the incentive to make a pass if you are in 30th or even 40th?

Its like a participation award....

538 wrote:

That changes nothing.  Right now there is no incentive to put on a late charge if you go down and can’t possibly make 20+ passes. If...

That changes nothing.  Right now there is no incentive to put on a late charge if you go down and can’t possibly make 20+ passes. If they had a 50pt system and awarded points to all who qualified, riders would charge for the entire moto regardless of position.

Soul Indigo wrote:

To go 21-22 and get beat by a guy who went 37-21 or 20-DNF is weird. 

 

DonM wrote:

37-21 would not beat a 21-22....non-points paying positions are scored by the olympic system for overalls

kxking wrote:

So if the winner only gets 25 points , then 22, then 20 etc. then everyone from 20-40 gets 1 point, where's the incentive to make...

So if the winner only gets 25 points , then 22, then 20 etc. then everyone from 20-40 gets 1 point, where's the incentive to make a pass if you are in 30th or even 40th?

Its like a participation award....

538 wrote:

That changes nothing.  Right now there is no incentive to put on a late charge if you go down and can’t possibly make 20+ passes. If...

That changes nothing.  Right now there is no incentive to put on a late charge if you go down and can’t possibly make 20+ passes. If they had a 50pt system and awarded points to all who qualified, riders would charge for the entire moto regardless of position.

yz133rider wrote:

Or maybe there’s no point in having 25+ lappers? Can’t be on the same track in f1 if you aren’t atleast sort of close in speed...

Or maybe there’s no point in having 25+ lappers? Can’t be on the same track in f1 if you aren’t atleast sort of close in speed there’s a threshold limit. The speed disparity is dangerous and embarrassing to have people rolling around in the way 20+ seconds off per lap.

Soul Indigo wrote:

To go 21-22 and get beat by a guy who went 37-21 or 20-DNF is weird. 

 

DonM wrote:

37-21 would not beat a 21-22....non-points paying positions are scored by the olympic system for overalls

USA wrote:

21st gets 1 point in motocross, so a 37-21 beats a 21-22. 

Although you are correct another non-points paying positions being scored via Olympic scoring.

538 wrote:

That changes nothing.  Right now there is no incentive to put on a late charge if you go down and can’t possibly make 20+ passes. If...

That changes nothing.  Right now there is no incentive to put on a late charge if you go down and can’t possibly make 20+ passes. If they had a 50pt system and awarded points to all who qualified, riders would charge for the entire moto regardless of position.

yz133rider wrote:

Or maybe there’s no point in having 25+ lappers? Can’t be on the same track in f1 if you aren’t atleast sort of close in speed...

Or maybe there’s no point in having 25+ lappers? Can’t be on the same track in f1 if you aren’t atleast sort of close in speed there’s a threshold limit. The speed disparity is dangerous and embarrassing to have people rolling around in the way 20+ seconds off per lap.

538 wrote:

Not sure where that 20+ seconds a lap statistic comes from.  Pretty much every race last year, the 450 guys had to be within 10 seconds...

Not sure where that 20+ seconds a lap statistic comes from.  Pretty much every race last year, the 450 guys had to be within 10 seconds of P1 in qualifying just to make the gate. 

Soul Indigo wrote:

To go 21-22 and get beat by a guy who went 37-21 or 20-DNF is weird. 

 

DonM wrote:

37-21 would not beat a 21-22....non-points paying positions are scored by the olympic system for overalls

USA wrote:

21st gets 1 point in motocross, so a 37-21 beats a 21-22. 

Although you are correct another non-points paying positions being scored via Olympic scoring.

DonM wrote:

37-21 would not beat a 21-22....non-points paying positions are scored by the olympic system for overalls

USA wrote:

21st gets 1 point in motocross, so a 37-21 beats a 21-22. 

Although you are correct another non-points paying positions being scored via Olympic scoring.

DonM wrote:

You sure about that? they each would have 1pt for their 21st place (which is new in 2024) but last I checked in Olympic scoring a...

You sure about that? they each would have 1pt for their 21st place (which is new in 2024) but last I checked in Olympic scoring a 22 is lower than a 37 so 21-22 would be a higher finish overall...

ATKpilot99 wrote:

Since when does 21st get a point in mx ? SMX thing ?

kxking wrote:

They do track the finishes, that's how you know the guy who finished 16th - 0 points beat the guy who finished 17th - 0 points...