Triumph Racing and Evan Ferry Part Ways

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So what was his side of the story on pulp 

Tyler D wrote:
Jist seemed to be he wasn't mentally in a good place. Not sure if anything meaningful was said after that. Also said he hasn't burned any...

Jist seemed to be he wasn't mentally in a good place. Not sure if anything meaningful was said after that. Also said he hasn't burned any bridges. 

Definitely should listen.  Not sure what else we could ask for from the media or Evan.  There will always be things they can't say, but sounds like it was not a goof fit and he moved on.  Was very clear he was not fired.  

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Triumph's claim he is injured seems dubious.

Where did they claim that? 

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Triumph's claim he is injured seems dubious.

Snapper wrote:

Where did they claim that? 

Sometimes it helps to read the OP before engaging in the conversation.

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MxAddic wrote:

Triumph's claim he is injured seems dubious.

Snapper wrote:

Where did they claim that? 

MxAddic wrote:

Sometimes it helps to read the OP before engaging in the conversation.

I did. And we all know he WAS injured. But he's not now so...

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Money wrote:

So what was his side of the story on pulp 

Tyler D wrote:
Jist seemed to be he wasn't mentally in a good place. Not sure if anything meaningful was said after that. Also said he hasn't burned any...

Jist seemed to be he wasn't mentally in a good place. Not sure if anything meaningful was said after that. Also said he hasn't burned any bridges. 

Definitely should listen.  Not sure what else we could ask for from the media or Evan.  There will always be things they can't say, but sounds...

Definitely should listen.  Not sure what else we could ask for from the media or Evan.  There will always be things they can't say, but sounds like it was not a goof fit and he moved on.  Was very clear he was not fired.  

Interview offered zero insight into what went wrong at Triumph. Was more of a linked-in style promo for a rider looking for a job.

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4/23/2024 5:37am Edited Date/Time 4/23/2024 5:38am
Tyler D wrote:
Jist seemed to be he wasn't mentally in a good place. Not sure if anything meaningful was said after that. Also said he hasn't burned any...

Jist seemed to be he wasn't mentally in a good place. Not sure if anything meaningful was said after that. Also said he hasn't burned any bridges. 

Definitely should listen.  Not sure what else we could ask for from the media or Evan.  There will always be things they can't say, but sounds...

Definitely should listen.  Not sure what else we could ask for from the media or Evan.  There will always be things they can't say, but sounds like it was not a goof fit and he moved on.  Was very clear he was not fired.  

MxAddic wrote:

Interview offered zero insight into what went wrong at Triumph. Was more of a linked-in style promo for a rider looking for a job.

Hey it’s hard not being able to post on instagram when the likes and comments validate your ego. Until they turn…

I am looking forward to seeing him privateer, to see how much he really wants it. 

I’m just disappointed Marx dog didn’t give us the Pookie drop.

 

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Tyler D wrote:
Jist seemed to be he wasn't mentally in a good place. Not sure if anything meaningful was said after that. Also said he hasn't burned any...

Jist seemed to be he wasn't mentally in a good place. Not sure if anything meaningful was said after that. Also said he hasn't burned any bridges. 

Definitely should listen.  Not sure what else we could ask for from the media or Evan.  There will always be things they can't say, but sounds...

Definitely should listen.  Not sure what else we could ask for from the media or Evan.  There will always be things they can't say, but sounds like it was not a goof fit and he moved on.  Was very clear he was not fired.  

MxAddic wrote:

Interview offered zero insight into what went wrong at Triumph. Was more of a linked-in style promo for a rider looking for a job.

We know a lot and again nothing. We heard that Evan underestimated the task from developing a bike. Because he couldn't show anything on social media and he really likes to post on social media that gives him motivation. He also needed to race on different bikes than the Triumph bike he trained on daily, the corporate shizzle with zoom meetings weren't his thing either. Seems like his agent Jimmy Button jumped on the wrong opportunity, pushing him out in the professional world before his due date...

Also we learned that Triumph seems to have a problem with in-house stock. Steve told us they don't have enough bikes and parts at the moment in the USA to run a two or three man team. On the other hand this is what you would, should, could expect while signing a 6 figure deal for developing a bike and being a part of the startup.

Steve also mentioned that Bobby Hewitt isn't Bobby anymore like we knew him, he isn't on his a-game.

It seems that he doesn't fix problems but create problems.

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I listened to the a little bit of the interview. The kid wants to make instabangers. He doesn’t want to race. 

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Definitely should listen.  Not sure what else we could ask for from the media or Evan.  There will always be things they can't say, but sounds...

Definitely should listen.  Not sure what else we could ask for from the media or Evan.  There will always be things they can't say, but sounds like it was not a goof fit and he moved on.  Was very clear he was not fired.  

MxAddic wrote:

Interview offered zero insight into what went wrong at Triumph. Was more of a linked-in style promo for a rider looking for a job.

MXMattii wrote:
We know a lot and again nothing. We heard that Evan underestimated the task from developing a bike. Because he couldn't show anything on social media...

We know a lot and again nothing. We heard that Evan underestimated the task from developing a bike. Because he couldn't show anything on social media and he really likes to post on social media that gives him motivation. He also needed to race on different bikes than the Triumph bike he trained on daily, the corporate shizzle with zoom meetings weren't his thing either. Seems like his agent Jimmy Button jumped on the wrong opportunity, pushing him out in the professional world before his due date...

Also we learned that Triumph seems to have a problem with in-house stock. Steve told us they don't have enough bikes and parts at the moment in the USA to run a two or three man team. On the other hand this is what you would, should, could expect while signing a 6 figure deal for developing a bike and being a part of the startup.

Steve also mentioned that Bobby Hewitt isn't Bobby anymore like we knew him, he isn't on his a-game.

It seems that he doesn't fix problems but create problems.

“If someone was offering, I’d be on the track tomorrow” in regards to racing sx this year…

So much to say about that statement.

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"Steve also mentioned that Bobby Hewitt isn't Bobby anymore like we knew him, he isn't on his a-game.

It seems that he doesn't fix problems but create problems."

I listened to the interview and never heard that. Like I said before he was motivated to get him on and claim Triumph is the problem. Did he lay any blame on the Ferry's?

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4/23/2024 7:10am Edited Date/Time 4/23/2024 7:11am

Well, that cleared up nothing.........

My guess, and it is nothing but a guess, is that the standard contract language for salary during injury may have been enforced and it was not exactly appreciated.  This may have created a bit of friction and a lack of wanting to return now that he is back to full strength.  

Again, pure guess due to a lack of any other real solid reasons being given.  When he says that he feels like he is as good and healthy as he has ever been, you would otherwise think that he would be chomping at the bit to be lining up at any gate that was available.  There has to be some sort of reason why he has chosen not to line back up for Triumph, and when no concrete reasons are given my first thought always goes back to monetary reasons.  

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4/23/2024 7:16am

Normally this would be strange. But given Ferry's track record of team jumping, I'd say this is on par.

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MxAddic wrote:
"Steve also mentioned that Bobby Hewitt isn't Bobby anymore like we knew him, he isn't on his a-game. It seems that he doesn't fix problems but...

"Steve also mentioned that Bobby Hewitt isn't Bobby anymore like we knew him, he isn't on his a-game.

It seems that he doesn't fix problems but create problems."

I listened to the interview and never heard that. Like I said before he was motivated to get him on and claim Triumph is the problem. Did he lay any blame on the Ferry's?

He said it after the interview...

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MxAddic wrote:

Interview offered zero insight into what went wrong at Triumph. Was more of a linked-in style promo for a rider looking for a job.

I agree....it was a softball lob. 

There isn't a single 6 figure guaranteed for another year job I'd walk away from

Something isn't checking out here and I can't wait for it to finally hit the light after the nda is over 

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MxAddic wrote:
"Steve also mentioned that Bobby Hewitt isn't Bobby anymore like we knew him, he isn't on his a-game. It seems that he doesn't fix problems but...

"Steve also mentioned that Bobby Hewitt isn't Bobby anymore like we knew him, he isn't on his a-game.

It seems that he doesn't fix problems but create problems."

I listened to the interview and never heard that. Like I said before he was motivated to get him on and claim Triumph is the problem. Did he lay any blame on the Ferry's?

DonM wrote:

He said it after the interview...

Perhaps Bobby learned from his last experience that a team manager cannot let rider proclivities dictate team policy… 🤷🏼

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4/23/2024 8:09am
MxAddic wrote:

Interview offered zero insight into what went wrong at Triumph. Was more of a linked-in style promo for a rider looking for a job.

It's Pulp.  Did you expect anything different?  They put out hours of content per week and it's all fluff.

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4/23/2024 8:23am Edited Date/Time 4/23/2024 8:24am

I listened to the interview on the way to work this morning, and Evan sounds like a a very nice kid. I want to stress “kid” because it sounds like his priorities are a little out of whack like most kids that age (speaking from experience). I thought that it was very strange how much he valued making “insta-bangers”. He talked at a greater length than I would have expected about how he couldn’t make social content while Triumph developed the bike and sounded very frustrated about it. If he wants to be the next Axell or Buttery Films, I guess that’s an important part of the program. However, if he wants to be a factory racer, that should be a much lower priority. Realistically, the social embargo on the bike was likely a small part of the overall breakup. It sounded like the pressure to perform as a factory racer while Triumph experiences some growing pains is the root of the issue. He’s a ripper, and I think he’ll certainly bounce back as he matures. 

As a side note, and I’ll probably get shit for this, he must have said “honestly” and “obviously” about a hundred times in the interview… once I get fixated on something like that, I can’t unhear it, and it drives me nuts. 

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I listened to the interview on the way to work this morning, and Evan sounds like a a very nice kid. I want to stress “kid”...

I listened to the interview on the way to work this morning, and Evan sounds like a a very nice kid. I want to stress “kid” because it sounds like his priorities are a little out of whack like most kids that age (speaking from experience). I thought that it was very strange how much he valued making “insta-bangers”. He talked at a greater length than I would have expected about how he couldn’t make social content while Triumph developed the bike and sounded very frustrated about it. If he wants to be the next Axell or Buttery Films, I guess that’s an important part of the program. However, if he wants to be a factory racer, that should be a much lower priority. Realistically, the social embargo on the bike was likely a small part of the overall breakup. It sounded like the pressure to perform as a factory racer while Triumph experiences some growing pains is the root of the issue. He’s a ripper, and I think he’ll certainly bounce back as he matures. 

As a side note, and I’ll probably get shit for this, he must have said “honestly” and “obviously” about a hundred times in the interview… once I get fixated on something like that, I can’t unhear it, and it drives me nuts. 

Solid summary on how I heard the interview as well.

 

The "honestly" also drove me nuts.

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Bobby’s not the Team Mgr. Scuba is. Bobby’s administering all of it…from bike & program development to day to day comm’s with corporate. 

I get the over-all msg that Evan just wants to ride and the bike development side of it wasn’t his thing. Also, it seems to me that if Steve is saying these things about Bobby…well, where does that come from? At this point, I don’t get the impression that he’s had a conversation with Westfall, Hewitt or any of the Triumph folks that are decision makers. 

There’s very likely other aspects of this that we aren’t getting to hear. No worries. Evan’s back out there riding his motorcycle and doing his thing. The team will move on and focus on Swoll & Joey. 

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I listened to the interview on the way to work this morning, and Evan sounds like a a very nice kid. I want to stress “kid”...

I listened to the interview on the way to work this morning, and Evan sounds like a a very nice kid. I want to stress “kid” because it sounds like his priorities are a little out of whack like most kids that age (speaking from experience). I thought that it was very strange how much he valued making “insta-bangers”. He talked at a greater length than I would have expected about how he couldn’t make social content while Triumph developed the bike and sounded very frustrated about it. If he wants to be the next Axell or Buttery Films, I guess that’s an important part of the program. However, if he wants to be a factory racer, that should be a much lower priority. Realistically, the social embargo on the bike was likely a small part of the overall breakup. It sounded like the pressure to perform as a factory racer while Triumph experiences some growing pains is the root of the issue. He’s a ripper, and I think he’ll certainly bounce back as he matures. 

As a side note, and I’ll probably get shit for this, he must have said “honestly” and “obviously” about a hundred times in the interview… once I get fixated on something like that, I can’t unhear it, and it drives me nuts. 

Didn’t get a chance to listen yet but was triumph preventing him from posting social content after this season started? If not why wait until now to split? If so dumb decision in triumph, you would think they would want as much social presence as possible. Good luck to Evan, will be into to see if he lines up for any races this year

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MxAddic wrote:
"Steve also mentioned that Bobby Hewitt isn't Bobby anymore like we knew him, he isn't on his a-game. It seems that he doesn't fix problems but...

"Steve also mentioned that Bobby Hewitt isn't Bobby anymore like we knew him, he isn't on his a-game.

It seems that he doesn't fix problems but create problems."

I listened to the interview and never heard that. Like I said before he was motivated to get him on and claim Triumph is the problem. Did he lay any blame on the Ferry's?

Listen to the podcast from 1h29 it is mentioned.

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I listened to the interview on the way to work this morning, and Evan sounds like a a very nice kid. I want to stress “kid”...

I listened to the interview on the way to work this morning, and Evan sounds like a a very nice kid. I want to stress “kid” because it sounds like his priorities are a little out of whack like most kids that age (speaking from experience). I thought that it was very strange how much he valued making “insta-bangers”. He talked at a greater length than I would have expected about how he couldn’t make social content while Triumph developed the bike and sounded very frustrated about it. If he wants to be the next Axell or Buttery Films, I guess that’s an important part of the program. However, if he wants to be a factory racer, that should be a much lower priority. Realistically, the social embargo on the bike was likely a small part of the overall breakup. It sounded like the pressure to perform as a factory racer while Triumph experiences some growing pains is the root of the issue. He’s a ripper, and I think he’ll certainly bounce back as he matures. 

As a side note, and I’ll probably get shit for this, he must have said “honestly” and “obviously” about a hundred times in the interview… once I get fixated on something like that, I can’t unhear it, and it drives me nuts. 

yak651 wrote:
Didn’t get a chance to listen yet but was triumph preventing him from posting social content after this season started? If not why wait until now...

Didn’t get a chance to listen yet but was triumph preventing him from posting social content after this season started? If not why wait until now to split? If so dumb decision in triumph, you would think they would want as much social presence as possible. Good luck to Evan, will be into to see if he lines up for any races this year

They touched on exactly that after the call. Steve/Denny/Ginolfi agreed that it was strange to bring it up now when it’s assumed he’s been able to post since the bike was officially released. 

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The team doesn't have a lot of resources and Ferry is slower than Swoll and Savatgy maybe? As many times as Ferry mentioned Kawasaki 450 in the interview was he begging to fill in for AC?

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Didn’t get a chance to listen yet but was triumph preventing him from posting social content after this season started? If not why wait until now...

Didn’t get a chance to listen yet but was triumph preventing him from posting social content after this season started? If not why wait until now to split? If so dumb decision in triumph, you would think they would want as much social presence as possible. Good luck to Evan, will be into to see if he lines up for any races this year

I can't help but think from what has been said the Ferry's walked away and they signed mutually exclusive NDA's.

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Imagine quitting a factory team you got lucky to get on because you couldn’t make instabangers. 

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Imagine quitting a factory team you got lucky to get on because you couldn’t make instabangers. 

Not just instabangers, but instabangers last year. This interview definitely left more questions than answers. 

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4/23/2024 10:39am Edited Date/Time 4/23/2024 10:40am

It's Pulp.  Did you expect anything different?  They put out hours of content per week and it's all fluff.

You think so? Id say Pulp was the first outlet to actually start reporting and saying things that the industry and the riders didnt want out in the world.

That being said, Steve unquestionably plays favorites and goes soft when its a sponsor or a friend. 

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4 pages for a kid that has won nothing at the Pro level. 

 

Tells me all I need to know about this thread. 

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4/23/2024 10:47am Edited Date/Time 4/23/2024 12:35pm

It's Pulp.  Did you expect anything different?  They put out hours of content per week and it's all fluff.

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You think so? Id say Pulp was the first outlet to actually start reporting and saying things that the industry and the riders didnt want out...

You think so? Id say Pulp was the first outlet to actually start reporting and saying things that the industry and the riders didnt want out in the world.

That being said, Steve unquestionably plays favorites and goes soft when its a sponsor or a friend. 

Yes, I truly think so.  In fact, I'd go as far to say that Pulp is the definition of "the moto bro show". 

Steve and Co. pull back the curtain just enough to make it feel like you're on the inside as a listener, it's their schtick.  Listen to how contemptuous they are of fans when people criticize the broadcast or how they glossed over Claimgate.  That's how they really feel.  Listeners are nothing but a source of income for them and we should just mindlessly consooooom whatever they put out.

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Yes, I truly think so.  In fact, I'd go as far to say that Pulp is the definition of "the moto bro show".  Steve and Co...

Yes, I truly think so.  In fact, I'd go as far to say that Pulp is the definition of "the moto bro show". 

Steve and Co. pull back the curtain just enough to make it feel like you're on the inside as a listener, it's their schtick.  Listen to how contemptuous they are of fans when people criticize the broadcast or how they glossed over Claimgate.  That's how they really feel.  Listeners are nothing but a source of income for them and we should just mindlessly consooooom whatever they put out.

You think that Pulp is more of a "moto bro show" than Swap Moto Live?

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