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Funny that everyone says China when in reality, China became too expensive a long time ago. Look at the knock off stuff, made in Vietnam. This stuff is not real and not "backdoored" by bad suppliers. The goggle for example is not an actual product. The foam and strap attachment are visibly different from an actual 100% goggle. The lens is also most likely different to make it cheaper and probably less safe.
Everyone places the blame of increased prices on marketing and sponsorship. What about testing in order to meet safety regulations? You think a knockoff helmet that hasn't been tested is worth putting on your head? Same should be said for goggles. Take some roost in the face with your $10 goggles, hopefully you don't lose an eye.
Brands pay to build an image, they also deal with certifications, testing, R&D for new projects, potential liability. Add to that markup for distributors and dealers. Everyone thinks that brands are making huge profits on a $200 pair of pants, I guarantee you that is not the case.
These brands are also the ones that support the sport and allow us to watch live races every Saturday night. Consider that the next time you think it's worth saving a few bucks on knockoff gear.
Out of principle I would never buy knock-off gear.
That is legit clutch gear. The clutch line doesn’t have real leather, and also falls apart extremely quick. This guy just got it from the manufacturer selling back door.
All info is publicly available. Look on Import Yeti to see who FXR gets their gear from, then search those manufacturers on Aliexpress or Alibaba. You will find the exact gear lines FXR advertises (from their own suppliers). Just for a back door deal..
I think it sucks, but if brands want to charge $300 for a set of gear that total cost is around $20 on because they source to a country with 0 morals, that’s on them. You can support brands like Canvas that make their gear in the USA. Best part is, it ms nearly the same price as the outsourced shit.
Companies pay big time salaries to pros and then pass the costs on to us.....Maybe it would be better if they just stuck to the people who pay their bills.
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Had a friend years back who worked in the textile industry.
The high end/exclusive brand name shirts were made in the same sweatshops that the noname brands were. The tags sown in at the end were the only difference.
People who need the brand identity are easy targets.
if you actually think that's anywhere near the profit margins you are high. and what about all the middle class people everyone claims to care about that makes their living working for a company like FXR.
I may be mis-remembering but I thought at one point I heard somewhere that Fly Racing operates as a loss leader for WPS.
All these people for buying knock off gear etc.. you all ride Kove and Kayo and GPX bikes right?
I’m the same with clothes. I buy a lot of Gant, Lactose & Ralph clothing. It’s not high end designer but I like it but most people would say it’s still too much money. People buy fake because they wanna look like they’re wearing designer clothing but can’t afford to.
You're line of thinking isn't wrong.
But damn, do we really need to pay $100+ for goggles?
Maybe 100% could sponsor a few less people and pass the savings on to the customer?
How much of the $120 of each set of Armegas goes to funding Jett's next Rolls Royce?
Dude these guys foam at the mouth when I tell them a ride day should not and can not be $50 and more. You’re talking to the air on this one unfortunately.
I would never buy safety gear without a high level of confidence in the origin - direct from factory or reputable retailer. I've seen some sweet Bieffe helmets for sale online! Goggles, helmet, boots, armor... safety is an abstract value concept but it is not perception. There is clear value to the right gear after a crash.
On the other hand, I'm not paying $70 for a polyester jersey. At what point are we just buying the Emperor's New Clothes? The same can be said for helmets sold without the new ECE 22.06 rating. There is a reason to pay for authenticity.
Do you have money in investments? How are those doing for you? Pretty good, I bet.
Do you buy from WalMart?
We're all to blame for jobs going off shore.
Because the guys defending all these insanely high cost, high margin shit don’t actually participate or support any of it.
They ride 10 year old bikes, with 10 year old gear and ride with their buddies in trails for free. But sit here defending $300 sets of gear.
Nobody that’s buying 4-5 sets of gear per year, new bike every 1-3 years and riding 2 times a week at $50 a pop just for entry thinks this is reasonable. Especially when we are led to believe inflation is 3% yet my riding expenses have doubled in 10 years.
FXR’s owner Milt is a few hundred-millionaire. I think the brand will be just fine, even with these back door deals. As mentioned, I don’t personally support it. But I couldn’t care less if people do.
Let me guess - you didn't spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to buy your own track and provide the same experience at lower cost?
That's a whole different debate.
You ever ran equipment to know what it costs just to start that shit up every day? You think that cats and skid steers and loaders run on pixie dust?
You checked the price of diesel and hydraulic oil and diesel motor oil lately?
Look, I don't wanna pay more than I have to either but most the tracks that I go to I don't see the owners rolling around in Bentleys....they ain't getting rich. They are charging what they have to charge to keep the gate open.
Costa Rico is the next hot spot to rape for cheap labor. The company I work for is building a plant there.
Definitely fake, there is no third tear off post on the outrigger.
When it comes to practice days at the track I am happy to pay $50 for a track that is prepped and watered. That comes out to roughly $10 an hour, hardly breaking the bank.
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We’ve tried, he won’t listen. It should cost $20 to ride and should be a national level track/prep with first class amenities. Also needs to be less than an hour from his house.
I agree $50 to ride a prepped national level track isn’t the hill to die on..
What I will say to his point is on non-prep days the fee shouldn’t be the same as the prep days, and evening rides should be discounted. And small tracks that groom one day a week shouldn’t be the same price as Red Bud. The issue I have is how national tracks went to $50 so all the little guys who put no work and don’t even operate as a business followed.
Not 100% of business costs are pushed down to the consumer. But for a lot of tracks, they are. Equipment running costs are a write off if you operate as a proper business. And only proper businesses should be charging $50 per ride.
again, I’ll happily pay it for tracks that are a business, and ran as such.
Do you understand what a write off is?
I own a pretty large successful business. I hope I do.
AM Motocross also manufactures gear in the US. Super durable and comfortable.
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Then I guess I don't understand how you can say that just because something is a write off that it's not a cost that's passed on to the customer?
Just because it can be "written off" doesn't mean it's not still money coming out of the owners pocket.
A write off doesn’t make it free. Equipment costs a shitload to run and it breaks and you have to pay the operator 35+ an hour..
Because as I said, not 100% of costs are passed down to the consumer in a real business. There is such thing as “the cost of doing business”.
And for something that is being written off, you typically don’t also pass on 100% of the cost to the consumer. Because it’s not costing you 100% of your upfront cost.
Not one track pays their track crew 35 an hour. Usually they are under the table, for cash and much less than that. (for example here, around minimum wage just cash).
And see my reply above this.
(I’m the OP)
I live in Asia now, there are cheap gear options back home and great outlets, but not here unfortunately..
this is gear I will wear once so I wanted to check out this set just out of curiosity..
Scott goggles were made in the USA at least until recently
How is it not costing 100% of the upfront cost?
So by your line of thinking....since Lettuce is a write off for a Restaurant, they should only worry about recouping 70% of the cost of that lettuce and not 100% of the cost of it? Seems like a good way to go out of business.....but I could be wrong, although I did own and subsequently sell several pretty successful restaurants in a past life.
Maybe I'm missing something.
Anywho....we've thoroughly derailed this from fake gear
but I stand by my original statement that most track owners aren't getting rich doing this so whatever they need to charge to keep the gate open I'll keep paying.
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