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The “it worked for me” gambit, also known as the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy is well described in alternative medicine.
Whether or not something reliably works has to be proven through studies on many individuals, in addition to establishing safety data, proper dosing, and so on. Many patients have a positive belief in these agents and similar ones, but that doesn’t mean they’re safe or that they work.
Last time you posted about these unproven agents, I provided evidence showing your claims were not based in reality- that on average, neither bpc or tb improve outcomes reliably. I do not think you are likely to change your mind, but that’s not really the point. You’re an adult and can do what you want. Advising other people to make poor decisions with no expertise in the field is a problem, however. 0/10 would not recommend.
It’s funny that people think “it worked” with no comparison group, verification of the agent used, testing of blood levels of the agent, and so on. It is far more likely that the positive expectations and regression to the mean led to the outcome, as this is well documented in similar treatments. Since you’re so absolutely sure, I would recommend a job in pharma working in the PR department. You can tell people that something works despite the evidence to the contrary. When people ask for proof, just say it worked for me!
It’s like saying the suspension change your mechanic told you he made really worked well in the second moto, but he didn’t actually do anything other than tell you he did.
I work in this field, have managed dozens of induces who have played around with these agents, have published reviews, and so on, but sure, you guys probably know more about this than I do 😂
BPC-157……..Where are you guys getting this stuff? Pretty big price differences? Assume pill form? Haha…. My wife has a collagen peptide supplement she takes..😂
Cool man. Nothing you're saying changes the results I got. And, again, pretty sure I didn't advise any adults what they should put in their bodies. I spoke about my experience. They can use that information however they like. Have a good one. Race day
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Needs to be injected sub Q, oral dosage doesn’t work.
Exactly what Chris said.
Just stop. If you wanted to actually bring a valid point against bpc 157 you could point out the lack of studies in human trials, not the non sense that you’re espousing over and over. Your claims that the pharma industry and science would market something that works are laughable. Drug companies are now trying to get placebos OUT of depression drug clinical trials because they work as good or better than their garbage SSRIs and you want to blindly trust these people? Good luck out there
Same here. I had great results with bpc.
I did point out there is little human data and that those existing data do not show benefit.
Yes, the industry would absolutely fund an efficacious agent to bring to market. Your argument actually supports this claim, as they’re willing to fund medications that don’t work that well, but do provide a demonstrable effect. Btw, SSRI’s do have a modest effect in a number of indications.
This thread is pretty wild though. I didn’t know vital had so many doctors and clinical researchers, in addition the voluntary lab rats who will ingest or inject themselves with unknown substances. 😂
cryo therapy has helped many people with healing. Much more effective than an ice bath.
Yeah like a certain vaccine that was recently forced on many. Instead of talking down to us why don’t you elaborate on which practices your clinic utilizes?
Pretty sure he works for or is an or the owner of Barbell Medicine. Months ago I posted about how well Marek has done for me and he shit talked them. My coach with marek was rather surprised and disappointed as he was a former client of Barbell Medicine himself and was happy with their protocols.
You can’t really be serious here right? If you are, I’ll just stop even trying. Drug companies push exactly what they can make the most money off of. If something is effective but can’t be patented, they block it and move on. This has been shown time and again.
What’s your angle here? Trying to prove that you’re smarter than everyone or something? Just find something else to do
But you’re saying that it “doesn’t work” because there hasn’t been a comparison group?
Peptides absolutely work, there’s visible evidence with people who use MT2 to increase melanin and their skin tans. Also, athletes using performance peptides have “shut down” T production when coming off cycle similar to users who take AAS
The questionable aspects are long term effects, and product quality
I personally recover much faster on trt.
My elliptical machine was the best treatment I had when I blew my 2 bottom discs out. I couldn't use it right away, but if I didn't use it I would feel significantly worse the next day for 2 or 3 months.
Basically "movement is medicine" kept coming out of my physical therapist and personal trainer's mouths. Recovered in half the time.
"This thread is pretty wild though. I didn’t know vital had so many doctors and clinical researchers, in addition the voluntary lab rats who will ingest or inject themselves with unknown substances."
I utilized the Olympic doctors advice as I mentioned, and had great results. When I was an Olympic prospect I didn't see Barbell Medicine listed in any of the resources we were utilizing. Mostly just world renowned sports medicine doctors. Not MD's that run a brand they want to push on a Motocross forum.
Please research Dr Ken Trinh as this is who we directly utilized at that time for the Canadian Olympic Boxing team. We also worked with Dr Galea a ton during those years (Yes, Tiger Woods personal doctor). Did they contact you during that time?
I agree with Chris and not going to debate or argue about. It’s factual the PRP worked for me and the ~5 or so other “snake oil” treatments didn’t and I had the same mindset going in with each. I would have loved and wanted the $45 “magic dust XXX” cream to help me but it didn’t and an actual procedure with natural/normal healing properties at hyper concentrated levels did. Simple as that
Studies involve human interaction and from that point forward from both Dr and patient interpretation can be skewed as well as the aggregate.
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I hear that like a broken record. ONE dude lol. Anomalies get filtered out of data sets.
"I healed up while taking this something alongside other things" is a LOT different than "This substance works by this mechanic". If you cannot see the nuance in this I am sorry.
This is like armchair medicine meets redneck methodology. Tell me you haven't been to college without telling me you haven't been to college.
Yeah movement helps. I tore my rotator cuff & bicep tendon numerous times. After a few months when I can lift it. I do 12.5 lb barbell curls in diff directions and the pain goes away. The pain management programs r a money grab. No pain killers but pt and numerous injections. Sometimes the body is beyond repair. Mentally you can block a lot out. But only some you get wore out from being in pain all the time.
If it is an isolated injury, get up and do something with the unaffected body parts. If it is ribs, shoulder and wrist type multiple injury, you're kind of stuck. I always try to get some kind of PT if a doctor is involved. Having someone to help get the affected body part moving correctly helps my head out since you have a goal.
From a sample of 3. Being an old guy and discussing health issues with other old guys I've come to see that not everything works for everyone all the time. Having said that, I would give it a try if I was injured, what's the worst that could happen? I know lots of people with orthopedic injuries, knees and shoulders particularly. Synvisc injections are all over the place from "don't bother" to worked miracles". Gabapentin for back pain "don't do it, it will kill you" to "I can walk without pain again". This is a really huge case of YMMV.
I am a really big fan of focused, quality physical therapy.
Again my information and experience comes from being an Olympic prospect getting the care and treatment from the top sports medicine doctors in the world lol
Agreed… big proponent of movement for rehab..I use a Schwann airdyne as my base for rehab, warmups and getting the blood flowing…currently dealing with knee, wrist issues and a concussion, it’s only been a few weeks…old guys don’t heal up like we used to….
I knew an Indian medicine women about 15 yrs ago. I never had the chance to give it a try. I just had a few weeks of injections. That’s what they do now. 80 needles poked in you.
Work injuries that’s an easy 900k. Injection clinics or the hospital is full of people that worked physical jobs. I literally don’t hv a single part of my body that’s not injured or destroyed. And that’s just life.
Some people like to crack their knuckles, neck or back. If you think it helps, that is all that matters. Positive thinking is powerful.
Ayahuasca and stem cells
There's plenty of elite athletes doing very well on a meat based diet.
It's funny when people like you pop up and talk shit on something that has no effect on you.
Here, let me google that for you
https://www.google.com/search?q=all+meat+diet+athlete&rlz=1C1VDKB_enUS1…
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