First new bike ever. Can't start it.

twnorton
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32 years old, first freshie ever. 24 yz250x won't turn over. Had it started for 30 seconds in my garage the night I brought it home, turned it off to not wake up my daughter now it won't start again. Oh well, time to dig into it I guess. I have spark I think something in the carb is boogered up because I don't see anything spraying into the reeds when I turn the throttle.

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3/21/2024 10:32am

Are you kicking from TDC?

You're running premix? Fuel on, choke on?

30 seconds isn't much for a heat cycle as you shut it down cold.

 

I'd be surprised if a brand new keihin pwk was buggered but not impossible.

 

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3/21/2024 10:56am Edited Date/Time 3/21/2024 10:56am

Make sure it doesn’t have a butt plug in it. 

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3/21/2024 11:11am
JK BRO wrote:
Are you kicking from TDC? You're running premix? Fuel on, choke on? 30 seconds isn't much for a heat cycle as you shut it down cold...

Are you kicking from TDC?

You're running premix? Fuel on, choke on?

30 seconds isn't much for a heat cycle as you shut it down cold.

 

I'd be surprised if a brand new keihin pwk was buggered but not impossible.

 

Yes to everything.  Super wierd.

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face biter wrote:

Make sure it doesn’t have a butt plug in it. 

No butt plug in it either. Just frustrated more than anything 

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You really wouldn't see fuel spraying the reeds unless you kicked hard enough to create a vacuum. There's no accelerator pump on 2 strokes so fuel doesn't squirt like 4 strokes. You should see the reed pedals kinda glossy with premix tho.

If anything remove the carb, drain the bowl and blow out the jets. You could pick up a new spark plug as well.

 

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3/21/2024 12:30pm Edited Date/Time 3/21/2024 12:41pm

Not sure when you bought it but yamaha does warranty their bikes for 30 days. If its not something obvious or simple I'd probably be thinking about taking it back and letting the dealer figure it out on yamahas dime instead of tearing into it yourself

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3/21/2024 1:58pm

What does the plug look like and are you running a standard fuel ratio or something more rich on oil for break in?

3/21/2024 2:39pm
JK BRO wrote:
You really wouldn't see fuel spraying the reeds unless you kicked hard enough to create a vacuum. There's no accelerator pump on 2 strokes so fuel...

You really wouldn't see fuel spraying the reeds unless you kicked hard enough to create a vacuum. There's no accelerator pump on 2 strokes so fuel doesn't squirt like 4 strokes. You should see the reed pedals kinda glossy with premix tho.

If anything remove the carb, drain the bowl and blow out the jets. You could pick up a new spark plug as well.

 

And check the float if it’s set rt.  I know a rider that bought a new gas gas 125 then drove to a race. He couldn’t get it started & worked on it at night. It was the float. 

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3/21/2024 2:43pm Edited Date/Time 3/21/2024 2:46pm
face biter wrote:

Make sure it doesn’t have a butt plug in it. 

twnorton wrote:

No butt plug in it either. Just frustrated more than anything 

It does sound frustrating. No changes to the bike at all?  
Do you have someone to push you, or enough of a slope to try to bump start it?

I did have a fuel petcock on my 125  that I had to replace the first week I owned it ( brand new bike ), have you pulled the line off of the carburetor and checked that fuel was flowing with the valve open?

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Rickyisms wrote:

What does the plug look like and are you running a standard fuel ratio or something more rich on oil for break in?

32:1  first plug looked dark

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And check the float if it’s set rt.  I know a rider that bought a new gas gas 125 then drove to a race. He couldn’t...

And check the float if it’s set rt.  I know a rider that bought a new gas gas 125 then drove to a race. He couldn’t get it started & worked on it at night. It was the float. 

I'm gonna look at the float tonight when I get home

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It does sound frustrating. No changes to the bike at all?   Do you have someone to push you, or enough of a slope to try...

It does sound frustrating. No changes to the bike at all?  
Do you have someone to push you, or enough of a slope to try to bump start it?

I did have a fuel petcock on my 125  that I had to replace the first week I owned it ( brand new bike ), have you pulled the line off of the carburetor and checked that fuel was flowing with the valve open?

Nope bike is completely stock. I'm gonna try and bump start it eventually. Fuel is going from the tank to the carb for sure. Took the line off going to the carb and fuel is coming out from the petcock, also the bowl has fuel in it

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3/21/2024 4:13pm
Rickyisms wrote:

What does the plug look like and are you running a standard fuel ratio or something more rich on oil for break in?

twnorton wrote:

32:1  first plug looked dark

I’d check the float since you verified you’re getting fuel to the carb, take a peak at the jets while you’re in there. If everything checks out roll it up a good hill and give it a solid bumpstart. 

3/22/2024 4:12am

Before you strip the carb, drain the fuel & replace. Also check for spark.

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twnorton wrote:
32 years old, first freshie ever. 24 yz250x won't turn over. Had it started for 30 seconds in my garage the night I brought it home...

32 years old, first freshie ever. 24 yz250x won't turn over. Had it started for 30 seconds in my garage the night I brought it home, turned it off to not wake up my daughter now it won't start again. Oh well, time to dig into it I guess. I have spark I think something in the carb is boogered up because I don't see anything spraying into the reeds when I turn the throttle.

Straight back to the dealer.

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hassbeen wrote:

Before you strip the carb, drain the fuel & replace. Also check for spark.

This... never trust the shit from the dealer.  Unless they are personal friends of yours and not idiots.  About 2-3 yrs ago I had a guy with a brand new bike fouling plugs and running like shit because of whatever some goon at the dealer put in it.

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3/22/2024 8:08am

Just my humble opinion:

-beyond changing spark plug and fuel, do NOT disassemble anything. If a new plug or fuel doesn’t fix it, bring it back to the dealer. 
 

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3/22/2024 10:48am

What in the wide world of sports is going on here!!!!!

New spark plug would be my number one, and only repair, because you shut it off so quickly. Don’t do that again.

If a new plug doesn’t fix it then you go straight back to the dealer and politely ask for help.

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3/22/2024 1:29pm

Just hold it wide open and kick. You semi fouled plug by not getting enough heat into it when you ran it the night before. 

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3/22/2024 6:55pm Edited Date/Time 3/22/2024 6:56pm

I've been through hell the last 2 days trying to figure this bike out. Thank you all for your helps and tips.

 

I finally got it started! Drained the gas went from there. I originally used 93 octane and maxima superM premix. I changed to 93 octane and Yamaha 2R premix. I held the throttle wide open and it finally started. The superM is about 5 years old from my previous 125, but it was factory sealed. So I'm thinking that it may have been bad, possibly. Much relief here. Gonna do some heat cycles tomorrow and hopefully get to rip it. 

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3/22/2024 8:46pm

No heat cycles...let it warm up, check for any leaks and let it rip. 

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3/22/2024 9:04pm

No heat cycles...let it warm up, check for any leaks and let it rip. 

Right on, I'll do it

3/22/2024 9:06pm

Just hold it wide open and kick. You semi fouled plug by not getting enough heat into it when you ran it the night before. 

Its not the premix! Its like above said a semi foulded plug. The engine wasnt hot enough to burn the fule and premix off when you shut her down. I see it mostly when people jump on there bikes before their warmed up and stall them right off the bat. Most the times they refire every now and then they don't. Keep a few plugs on ya.

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Just hold it wide open and kick. You semi fouled plug by not getting enough heat into it when you ran it the night before. 

Its not the premix! Its like above said a semi foulded plug. The engine wasnt hot enough to burn the fule and premix off when you...

Its not the premix! Its like above said a semi foulded plug. The engine wasnt hot enough to burn the fule and premix off when you shut her down. I see it mostly when people jump on there bikes before their warmed up and stall them right off the bat. Most the times they refire every now and then they don't. Keep a few plugs on ya.

I bought 4 a couple days ago so I should be good

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twnorton wrote:
I've been through hell the last 2 days trying to figure this bike out. Thank you all for your helps and tips.   I finally got...

I've been through hell the last 2 days trying to figure this bike out. Thank you all for your helps and tips.

 

I finally got it started! Drained the gas went from there. I originally used 93 octane and maxima superM premix. I changed to 93 octane and Yamaha 2R premix. I held the throttle wide open and it finally started. The superM is about 5 years old from my previous 125, but it was factory sealed. So I'm thinking that it may have been bad, possibly. Much relief here. Gonna do some heat cycles tomorrow and hopefully get to rip it. 

RTFM and follow that break in procedure.

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3/23/2024 6:06am

Can't be selective following a manual...some manuals want you to pull the top end to check things too, de-glaze, etc....nobody does that. These bikes are hard broke in at the factory. Tried and true method for ring seating...these are nikasil coated, not some iron bore. 

3/23/2024 6:41am

Guys on here who debate about break in would throw up knowing what the factory workers do in Japan before they seal the crate on your brand new bike. 

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Rickyisms wrote:
Guys on here who debate about break in would throw up knowing what the factory workers do in Japan before they seal the crate on your...

Guys on here who debate about break in would throw up knowing what the factory workers do in Japan before they seal the crate on your brand new bike. 

If it is anything like a diesel engine it goes from the assembly line to full throttle on a dyno. They might warm it up a little before hitting the throttle stop but only long enough to look for oil/coolant leaks.

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4/2/2024 7:36am

A lot of people going from 4 strokes to 2 strokes don't understand what it takes to keep the smoker running.  It's a little trickier than hitting the button.  Not that the OP doesn't know what he's doing....i'm not implying that.  But....you need to keep revving the bike to keep it running.  Most smokers are set to die at idle......

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