Prado’s 3 Year Kawi Deal

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Monster wants him, bad.

Flatliner wrote:

Seems like they're the most represented brand in the sport already.... unless they're looking for a big Spain push.

They’re about to lose Eli, AC, Febvre, and just lost Sexton and Gaisjer. They have an opportunity to take one of Red Bull’s younger champions. 

They haven't had Tim Gajser since 2016.

Febvre will likely go to Triumph in 2025 and be Monster there still.

AC and Eli will both stay with the brand even if both retire this year, just post-racing. 

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Vuillemin said it was a done deal last night. We've been saying since around A2 that it was in the process of being negotiated. At one...

Vuillemin said it was a done deal last night.

We've been saying since around A2 that it was in the process of being negotiated.

At one point the Husqvarna team in the US was privately owned before being absorbed.

What, at peak, the Austrian group had six factory teams in MXGP but only one they owned?

Red Bull KTM (owned)

DeCarli Red Bull KTM (private)

Standing Construct GasGas MXGP (private)

Diga GasGas MX2 (private)

IceOne Husqvarna MXGP (private)

Nestaan Husqvarna MX2 (private)

MXMattii wrote:
Indeed and now they have three factory teams with only one run by the factory. Gasgas is DeCarli and Husqvarna is Kay Hennekes (Nestaan). Do you...

Indeed and now they have three factory teams with only one run by the factory. Gasgas is DeCarli and Husqvarna is Kay Hennekes (Nestaan).

Do you think my assumption is wrong? Maybe they just want to spend tons of money at their MotoGP program.

Going after Marquez is a rumor.

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Still, better starting platform chassis wise and Anderson said they were pretty open this year and it shows with his speed. 

BobPA wrote:

That is kind of a opinion based don't you think?

 

(I ride a Kawi)

Look no further than Chase, Mookie, and co.... how many are struggling? 

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I know Prado might want to live in California but I can’t help but think moto sand box would be a great fit. Train with Levi...

I know Prado might want to live in California but I can’t help but think moto sand box would be a great fit. Train with Levi, Ken, and the rest of the guys. Plus Florida living is much closer to Spain living and he will still have a large Spanish  speaking population (which he was extremely surprised and excited about in California). 

You know he speaks at least 3 languages right? And he has lived in a different country already.

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3/12/2024 7:59pm Edited Date/Time 3/12/2024 8:01pm
Zycki11 wrote:

Look no further than Chase, Mookie, and co.... how many are struggling? 

AP has never looked better.

Vialle and RJ look great

Mookie would be doing just as poorly on any brand

Prado just won

de Wolf, Laengenfelder, Coenen all looked fantastic

 

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Is this even official???  First of all the energy drink deal would have to be an issue, a top energy drink deal can be just as...

Is this even official???  First of all the energy drink deal would have to be an issue, a top energy drink deal can be just as lucrative as a factory ride, and I doubt Red Bull would let him out of a deal.  Secondly, going from a team that lets you change everything to a team that is known for being very strict on what riders can and can not change, does not seem ideal for an MXGP rider. 

Won’t be official until October. 

November 1…? 

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3/12/2024 8:49pm Edited Date/Time 3/12/2024 8:49pm
Zycki11 wrote:

Look no further than Chase, Mookie, and co.... how many are struggling? 

BobPA wrote:
AP has never looked better. Vialle and RJ look great Mookie would be doing just as poorly on any brand Prado just won de Wolf, Laengenfelder...

AP has never looked better.

Vialle and RJ look great

Mookie would be doing just as poorly on any brand

Prado just won

de Wolf, Laengenfelder, Coenen all looked fantastic

 

Can’t compare GP and you know that. AP is the only one who looks good. Vialle is hands down a surprise but don’t sit at think for a second they haven’t been struggling with that frame. 

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Wont go well. Prado is going to get so beat up during SX, hell have a hard time getting the ball rolling outdoors. 

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kage173 wrote:

Wont go well. Prado is going to get so beat up during SX, hell have a hard time getting the ball rolling outdoors. 

Prado was top 10th in points and won a heat race in the most stacked field after just a couple weeks of riding SX for the first time in like 9 years. Dude will be fine lol.

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Second year into his deal, few guys retired I can see him being a solid podium guy. It’s outdoors I’m excited for. Which he could come sooner. He ain’t scared of Jett, that’s for sure. 

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Good choice, he's going to race for one of the most succesful AMA Teams, with a good salary and a lengthy contract, plus his ability to have his own gear deals and be one of Monster Energy most important riders, and it seems the aluminum frame works better in SX than KTM Steel frame, Kawasaki has probably offered more freedom than KTM (California, chose his own gear deals, trainer...)

Although Kawasaki doesn't support MXdN, maybe they make an excepcion for him? Prado seems to be very patriotic so racing MXdN is important for him...

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3/13/2024 12:25am Edited Date/Time 3/13/2024 12:26am
Zycki11 wrote:

Look no further than Chase, Mookie, and co.... how many are struggling? 

BobPA wrote:
AP has never looked better. Vialle and RJ look great Mookie would be doing just as poorly on any brand Prado just won de Wolf, Laengenfelder...

AP has never looked better.

Vialle and RJ look great

Mookie would be doing just as poorly on any brand

Prado just won

de Wolf, Laengenfelder, Coenen all looked fantastic

 

Agreed, I'd tack Chase onto that as well.

I know he's not been stellar, but for the first half of a season on a new bike he's looked solid and pretty calculated.

Does this Prado Kawi move mean Anderson isn't gonna re-up or is it AC?

3/13/2024 12:40am

Pumped for Prado!!!

How good to see him on a Kawi!! Watch out, Jett in Outdoors. 
 

As for the green claw who knows🤷‍♂️

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Good deal for all involved. I just hope that they relax their stance on MXoN. Spain are starting to make a real impression on World MX. Two GP’s there this year, rumours of a MXoN there in the future, they have a real chance of wins/podiums in the not too distant future. Would be a crying shame if their best rider wasn’t allowed to race 

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This is a certain sign of the teams reacting to Jett's dominance. The teams need somebody, anybody who they think might eventually compete with Jett. Prado certainly fills that need outdoors, but three years for a four time SX racer seems quite optimistic of his potential. Let's hope he progresses indoors and stays safe for some epic outdoor racing. Perhaps he really takes off indoors?

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If Kawi doesn’t support him for the mxdn I’m never buying anything green , ever again … 

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I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.   Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the...

I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.
 

Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the minute it was finalized. The details with the deferrals were reported within the hour. Jett is in the middle of a multi year deal and nobody knows how long it’s for or how much it’s for, what the bonuses are, etc…

"For most US professional leagues, there is some form of a “salary cap” which is governed by league and union agreements. So for those leagues, it is required by league rules to disclose compensation in order to confirm that the contracts are not in violation of salary cap rules."

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ML512 wrote:
That's never going to happen as there's no riders union/league. That's the only reason it's reported in stick and ball sports. Motorsports never do it. Don't...

That's never going to happen as there's no riders union/league. That's the only reason it's reported in stick and ball sports.

Motorsports never do it. Don't have details on F1, MotoGP, or NASCAR pay figures by example. We have rumors and close to info, but not the real deal.

Are you saying that all the other motorsports you listed don't have a riders union/league?  If so, that is wrong.  They all have some sort of driver representation/union/league that is run by the participants.  Also, the reason the stick and ball sports salaries are reported is because of salary cap and luxury tax implications for compliance of each team in their CBA.

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I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.   Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the...

I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.
 

Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the minute it was finalized. The details with the deferrals were reported within the hour. Jett is in the middle of a multi year deal and nobody knows how long it’s for or how much it’s for, what the bonuses are, etc…

ILoveMoto wrote:
"For most US professional leagues, there is some form of a “salary cap” which is governed by league and union agreements. So for those leagues, it...

"For most US professional leagues, there is some form of a “salary cap” which is governed by league and union agreements. So for those leagues, it is required by league rules to disclose compensation in order to confirm that the contracts are not in violation of salary cap rules."

Exactly!

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Just get him out of that thor gear. Same 4 sets of gear the last 2 years.

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Of the US teams Kawi has the most money to throw at a number 1 rider. Honda has Jett, KTM has Sexton, Star has Eli/Webb for now and is probably planning for Deegan to be up in the next couple of years. Prado is younger than just about any of the 250 guys that might be ready to move up and has already proven he is fast outdoors.

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3/13/2024 5:54am

If you look at where Monster sells the least cans, you'll probably find its Spain. 

So with the Spanish sensation 'available' it makes sense to get him on board.

This will have less to do with his riding ability and more to do with the potential market it wins them.

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3/13/2024 5:56am
I know Prado might want to live in California but I can’t help but think moto sand box would be a great fit. Train with Levi...

I know Prado might want to live in California but I can’t help but think moto sand box would be a great fit. Train with Levi, Ken, and the rest of the guys. Plus Florida living is much closer to Spain living and he will still have a large Spanish  speaking population (which he was extremely surprised and excited about in California). 

FerCzD wrote:

You know he speaks at least 3 languages right? And he has lived in a different country already.

Yes I know that. How does that change anything I’ve said? He mentioned California living being way different than Spain and he mentioned his excitement with the Large Spanish speaking population in California. Maybe you should let him know he speaks three languages and has lived in other counties. 

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Zycki11 wrote:

Look no further than Chase, Mookie, and co.... how many are struggling? 

BobPA wrote:
AP has never looked better. Vialle and RJ look great Mookie would be doing just as poorly on any brand Prado just won de Wolf, Laengenfelder...

AP has never looked better.

Vialle and RJ look great

Mookie would be doing just as poorly on any brand

Prado just won

de Wolf, Laengenfelder, Coenen all looked fantastic

 

Richy wrote:
Agreed, I'd tack Chase onto that as well. I know he's not been stellar, but for the first half of a season on a new bike...

Agreed, I'd tack Chase onto that as well.

I know he's not been stellar, but for the first half of a season on a new bike he's looked solid and pretty calculated.

Does this Prado Kawi move mean Anderson isn't gonna re-up or is it AC?

Would have to think it's AC right?

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3/13/2024 6:31am
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Its been really weird hearing how it seems like staying with the KTM group was never really on the table. Was that his choice, their choice...

Its been really weird hearing how it seems like staying with the KTM group was never really on the table. Was that his choice, their choice or what? Seems super odd to me. 

MXMattii wrote:
KTM seems to be peddling through rough waters. In the USA they outsourced already one of their three factory teams (GASGAS to TLD) and in Europe...

KTM seems to be peddling through rough waters. In the USA they outsourced already one of their three factory teams (GASGAS to TLD) and in Europe they have two of their three factory teams run by outsiders.

They are knibbling little expense away like their little singles Factory Racing team at the American Flat Track and probably if you look at the national level you will also see lesser support for teams or no support. That makes that that they probably weren't interested in paying the difference of income he loses when signing for TLD, meaning income from clothes, boots, helmet and goggles deals. If TLD also can't pay that difference you're done negotiating. Don't know why Husqvarna wasn't an option because there he could do his own deals... but yeah it's noticeable.

Who is bye the way the source of this news?

Yes but...  that outsourcing model turned out pretty good for Yamaha. 

 

It could be an indicator of cost cutting, or it could be them focusing on what they do well which is make the motorcycles and let others manage the racing side. Look at MotoGP. 

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I know Prado might want to live in California but I can’t help but think moto sand box would be a great fit. Train with Levi...

I know Prado might want to live in California but I can’t help but think moto sand box would be a great fit. Train with Levi, Ken, and the rest of the guys. Plus Florida living is much closer to Spain living and he will still have a large Spanish  speaking population (which he was extremely surprised and excited about in California). 

If he lived in South FL....but that part of rural Florida...not so much... 

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3/13/2024 7:02am

Smart play. Let him learn with zero pressure the first year. Let him learn the bike and the tracks the first year, year 2 and 3 he understands the bike, and is up to speed and expecting to win. 

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ML512 wrote:
That's never going to happen as there's no riders union/league. That's the only reason it's reported in stick and ball sports. Motorsports never do it. Don't...

That's never going to happen as there's no riders union/league. That's the only reason it's reported in stick and ball sports.

Motorsports never do it. Don't have details on F1, MotoGP, or NASCAR pay figures by example. We have rumors and close to info, but not the real deal.

JBlain619 wrote:
Are you saying that all the other motorsports you listed don't have a riders union/league?  If so, that is wrong.  They all have some sort of...

Are you saying that all the other motorsports you listed don't have a riders union/league?  If so, that is wrong.  They all have some sort of driver representation/union/league that is run by the participants.  Also, the reason the stick and ball sports salaries are reported is because of salary cap and luxury tax implications for compliance of each team in their CBA.

No, you're right, I was just glossing over it. They do have some form of driver's association but it doesn't invovle salary caps or other things that require pay to be public knowledge.

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BobPA wrote:
AP has never looked better. Vialle and RJ look great Mookie would be doing just as poorly on any brand Prado just won de Wolf, Laengenfelder...

AP has never looked better.

Vialle and RJ look great

Mookie would be doing just as poorly on any brand

Prado just won

de Wolf, Laengenfelder, Coenen all looked fantastic

 

Richy wrote:
Agreed, I'd tack Chase onto that as well. I know he's not been stellar, but for the first half of a season on a new bike...

Agreed, I'd tack Chase onto that as well.

I know he's not been stellar, but for the first half of a season on a new bike he's looked solid and pretty calculated.

Does this Prado Kawi move mean Anderson isn't gonna re-up or is it AC?

JazzyJJ wrote:

Would have to think it's AC right?

Yes it’s AC. 

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kage173 wrote:

Wont go well. Prado is going to get so beat up during SX, hell have a hard time getting the ball rolling outdoors. 

Mavetism wrote:
Prado was top 10th in points and won a heat race in the most stacked field after just a couple weeks of riding SX for the...

Prado was top 10th in points and won a heat race in the most stacked field after just a couple weeks of riding SX for the first time in like 9 years. Dude will be fine lol.

Factory Kawi full time ride will have pressure to win immediately.  Top ten will not be good enough. Nobody cares that you got a late start in SX. He will respond to that pressure by sending it harder and the injuries will happen.  I dont like it, but thats the way it will go.

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