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They removed the whoops at SF. and did it as a last minute thing. Anything they were doing was a band aid. And do you really think that leaving the whoops in would have made the racing better?
If it made less places to pass, more places a less skilled racer could knock down another rider or buck into another lane . I can remember more than a few times that a rider took out another rider in a mud race in whoops. Almost happens at every mud race.
They Built the entire track from the start to handle water better at this round. And work better in a heavier rain Since there was not a lot of heavy rain , who knows if it would have worked better or not. The track itself looked a lot less muddy than SF right?
I have worked with heavy equipment and built tracks, trails, real roads. There are ways You can grade, compact or not compact, etc. To deal with excess water. After the dirt turns into mud, You are much more limited with what You are able to do with it. Even just building the track to minimize puddles will help a lot! Eliminating areas that would have standing water allows they to keep the dirt drier and be able to groom the track better.
Outdoor tracks HAVE been preparing tracks for weather for years now. Rolling and packing a track in to allow it to shed water . Instead of ripping it deep and making it soak up all the water. All of those low spots beside the track to allow water to drain. etc.
They do not build an SX track at a national, or an outdoor style track in a stadium. Why build a track that was designed for dry weather when its gonna rain? Wouldn't the evolution of the sport to be making a rain option? Like F! has rain tires. SX could have rain tracks.
stated earlier, level the whoops if rain destroys
have enough dirt in the corners to have a shot at an outside and inside line
it's the south, if you don't like the weather wait 30 minutes.
I agree that preparing is a very good idea, but this seemed like a bad decision/strategy
Soft dirt, deep lugs on tires, high power bikes accelerating hard......it's not the track
A lot of slight turns on straight aways and more so turning the same way limit what are typically good passing spots...
The designers/DW/Feld whomever should know by now that 4 strokes will all just the inside if they can.
There has to be more effort to make a reason to change lines. Needed a berm before that rhythm. Insides gotta have bigger lips or rollers to make the line change etc.
Not easy but also you do this 17 times a year every year. You'd like to see them work on some patterns that work.
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forget the outdoor race we’re talking SX, SX mudders
you keep bringing up SF, but by the time they tried to make changes it was already too wet and it sucked
the lap times you posted show that they suck
1 good mud rider doesn’t make it a race, and the worlds best duck walking their bikes over obstacles sucks for them and the majority of viewers. .
as mentioned this is my opinion and preference contrary to your lust for mudders but in no way would I call someone stupid for expressing their opinion, but hey boss, you do you.
Yes, SX mudders I'm referring to, which are very similar to outdoor mudders when you talk about the quality of racing for the fans. Just like the last 30* years of mudders in SX, when did they flatten all the obstacles the tracks? Mudders (SX and MX) usually suck from a "tight racing" perspective. With that said, how are you going to fix it and guarantee good mud racing? You think racing around on a flat oval with deep ruts will make for great racing? It won't.
How about San Diego SX, that was a mudder as well. They kept small whoops and there was actually better racing compared to San Francisco when they bulldozed the whoops. And if you watch San Diego, the guys weren't falling in the whoops, they were falling in the rhythm sections. So do you want to flatten everything since Sexton and Malcolm fell in the rhythm section and caused a pile up?
What is the solution you are proposing because I'm confused? It sounds like you are stating that when it rains they should make flat SX tracks with no obstacles because it will result in good mud SX racing??
I'm providing facts from recent mudders, and you guys are just throwing out hypotheticals as if flattening a track will make for better racing in the mud. It didn't and it doesn't. See San Francisco with no whoops compared to San Diego with whoops. San Diego racing was closer. So what now?
Your insinuation skills suck along with mudders
I get it, you don't like mudders, not many people do. But this doesn't mean they should flatten the track and remove obstacles for mudders in hopes that it will make the racing better. I've provided proof it didn't work in SF, and also proof from San Diego that it was just the opposite. The racing was better on a muddy track with whoops, it's there for you guys to watch the replays.
With that said if it's still your mentality to make tracks easier in hopes of better racing, then do you realize you are advocating for removing the quad at Daytona '24?? Is that what you really want as a fan? It's the exact same scenario.
Just curious. Because as a Tomac fan, I can't imagine wanting to remove quads from every SX track so that Jett won't have an opportunity to jump them and separate himself to win the race. May the best man win, with all obstacles in place.
Long lines, 180 turns, long whoops = better racing.
Common sense.
What I don’t understand is why the track was built without the whoops? Yeah I know it was because of forecast rain, but if you still put the whoops in and then you don’t get as much rain as expected, and the track doesn’t end up as a mudder (as happened), you’re all good to go.
If it does turn into a mudder, you take them out. I mean how long does it take to knock down a set of muddy whoops? They canceled practice, so they had time if they needed to do it.
It will be interesting to see where this ends up next year. The reason I am saying that, the stands were full at Birmingham. I am not saying that was not the case for Atlanta, but it is easy for them to bring it back to Birmingham, especially when the venue makes it easy for Feld to run Supercross and Monster Jam back to back like they do, it is their recipe for $$ success.
Am I the only one noticing the tracks ALL YEAR have been soft as hell?
Bring back lime already!
Bingo, they alienate the things that are a big deal and continue with shit production. Bondo must go
The whole upper deck was EMPTY. The stadium only seats like 45k
They either need to go back to Atlanta, or maybe try Jacksonville or something. Hell maybe even at the noles stadium even tho I hate them bc I’m a gator😂
They were only selling tickets on like the lower rows in the corners of the upper deck. I know this because originally I intended on getting ~50 yard line front row upper deck tickets (don't like being blocked by people standing up) but that whole section was un-purchasable 4 weeks ago...
I ended up going lower deck front row (closest to where the whoops would've been). Lower deck was packed except for the corner closest to the start gate from what I was seeing. Looked like strong ticket sales to me, especially given the forecast undoubtedly steering some away.
Oh ok that’s interesting. Maybe so they can label it a “sell out”? The floor space just isn’t very big it seemed. Maybe I’m salty bc I always go to Atlanta 😂
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Who is charge of the tracks? Design, dirt, etc.
I feel like they are trying too hard to have cute designs on paper. Build shit we know works. Who cares how it looks on paper.
I think the upper sections largely were not for sale, you maybe had to be there. The lower sections were all full. And back to my other point, just like Seattle, Feld is able to piggy back events with SX and Monster Jam, it is what they do.
Pretty sure they do monster jam at the jaguars stadium. Would be a good venue
Well, that is too far for me to drive
Kidding aside, I am just speculating that venues like Atlanta where they do not have the option of using the same dirt and venue to also run Monster Jam within a week or two, are obviously more "expensive" for Feld, or at least, less profitable. It seems that especially the stadiums, almost always have Monster Jam following SX, it is a great way to maximize efforts and make the most profit. If Feld has the ability to host an event in a given region in one venue that proves to sell seats, and can also run Monster Jam, they will pick that venue every time. My only point for Birmingham, they had good attendance, they are also running Monster Jam, I would not be surprised if Birmingham is not back on the schedule for 2025. I was honestly pleasantly surprised by the attendance, and the stadium and city was awesome, if the track had been better, it would have been perfect.
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