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Agreed. Not even close.
When I first saw this thread I was thinking I did not agree with the idea . But then I tried putting myself into the way of thinking I believe the OP was when they made the post. And I agree that this could be looked at as Jett's big break out moment , 10 years from now.
What would You consider RC's break out ride? His 2000 big bike outdoor season? His win in Arizona against MC , or was it the win at A3 that was the second race in a 13 race win streak that year. Beating MC at MC's Daytona.
So many people have said that if Eli was there ,Jett would not have gone 22-0. Eli at Daytona is like MC at Anaheim . Maybe even better. So For Jett To pass both Chase and Eli and make it look so easy ,at the track that is considered by many to be one of Eli's best tracks. I see what the OP was thinking when he posted. And I think that history will ultimately tell us if it was similar to RC's ride as far as what happened after.But I think that it is fair to compare it to RC beating Mc.
It's hard to say that Jett has not been the fastest rider on the track at most of the races this year. I would say all but the first mud race , he was going the fastest but mistakes took him down. Eli looked pretty unhappy, who knows other than Eli exactly why. Was it because his bike let him down? Was it because he got caught and passed by Jett in the heat and the main at a track that he has won at more than any other rider has? Was it Eli realizing that he might not have what it takes to beat Jett? Was it waking up the fire inside Eli? Who knows really. As a fan of both Jett and Eli ,pretty much a fan of all the riders. It will be interesting to watch and see what happens next.
Eye DunnnOh, I don't think he's really been on the edge or done anything stupid. He may have over-ridden the track a couple of times and got caught by some slippery/sketchy conditions - but, I'm sure he expected to be farther ahead by now and will buckle down and clean that up, ya gotta admit he's good like that. You may have been right in SX for the first few rounds, but I think he's found the limit (without getting injured) in SX, the next couple of races will tell. If he can pad his points just a tad more, he'll be able to guard them till Vegas and not have to ride at 100%. For outdoors that was absolutely true, I'm not sure if you race or not, if so then you should easily be able to tell from his body language that he's riding at more like 75% effort - from the very first round he looks like he's trail riding after the 3rd lap. Sexton closes the gap and you can see him bear down for another half lap and then ease up.....never too much like Bubba used to do, just enough to scoreboard, I feel if he figures that out in SX he's going to go on a run.
BTW this thread delivers with all the butt-hurt grown men.
Yeah man - good viewpoint.
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You're killing the circle-jerk buzz man....
You are right, he has not been riding like he did outdoors, you can clearly see it. He's also taking big chances that have paid off so far, but you get away with that only for so long. A big crash is coming.
You have been watching a different season then I have.
Doubtful, It just sounds like I have a different understanding of motocross than you - but that's why they race, right? Unless you care to explain your rationale or produce examples - thanks for playing.
Thats right! You gotta risk it for the biscuit. If you don't some young punk will come along and do it. Then you gotta hope your consistency and experience will get the title. Dunge will tell you how that works out.
I'd hate to see an injury but I'd love to see Donut Boy lose the frosting and sprinkles on his bike for a moto and tighten things up a bit - let Tomac win and get his confidence beasting, have someone get Coop pissed off; that would make things a whole lot more interesting. The problem is Jett has The O'Show, Jazzy, his Huntah and Lars in his corner.
LMAO. ...and how many SX titles does Dungey have.
Yup. Scoreboard. I feel the 2 riders Jett can learn the most from are Dunge and Bubba. The question is will he? but like I said, he IS good like that. So far so good.
Okay..I’ll use rational…if he was “trail riding” after lap 3 and ridding around at 75%…then he would be able to push it up to 80% and win every race, which he hasn’t, by 20 seconds….and never take a dirt sample. Anaheim 2. Jett gets a 7-3-4? If he was running around at 75% then and gets a 7-3-4…well….that is pretty big brain (translate…dumb as hell). Listen…he has won 3 out of 8 and IS the rider to beat…but he has been pushing hard, usually running at 100%, to be there. Maybe you confuse a smooth style on the bike to equate to not trying at 100%? Any comment of “trail riding”, or 75% to 85% are so fucking dumb that you are either are delusional or stupid. You pick. Thanks for playing.
Reading comprehension much?
"You may have been right in SX for the first few rounds, but I think he's found the limit (without getting injured) in SX, the next couple of races will tell. If he can pad his points just a tad more, he'll be able to guard them till Vegas and not have to ride at 100%
SX vs MX. Remember he DID win every moto outdoors, but he's smart enough to not do it by 20secs. like Bubba used to try to do. I do appreciate your effort finally though and understand where you're coming from. I just disagree.
BTW you can tell when someone is riding at less than 100% without looking at body language because they can speed up when challenged or passed, you know like Jett does all the time (imagine if Jett kept the pace that took him THROUGH both Chase and Eli as soon as he came up on them in Daytoner - that's closer to 100%....maybe) - Jody taught us that years ago - but I know you already knew that.
While I absolutely agree with you apparently 22-0 was not convincing enough with some members saying it was only because of a weak field, but I think his dominance at Daytona and the way he blew right past Tomac and Sexton, blasted all those theories out of the water and that is why I think it was his break through moment in racing Supercross
I think that You could compare this ride to RC's A3 ride , or one of the races he beat MC in 2001 . RC having had won the Outdoors in 2000 without MC there. Like Jett and Tomac now.
It was amazing how quickly and easy he passed both Sexton and Tomac. In the heat and main. He passed them as quickly as many guys pass lappers. I don't see how anybody could not be impressed with those passes.
It was clear that Eli was unhappy. I think that the next few races should be interesting. Jett has not made it easy on himself. Saying things that have fired up his competition, and still coming out ahead a lot of the time. I wonder if Eli was brocken or motiveated by Jett this weekend? I'm looking forward to the next rounds even more now.
Yes it appears like he takes more risks sometimes. But it also looks like he is only riding at 75-80% a lot of the time too. I think the next few years will be hard for people who dislike Jett.
Keep beating that drum every weekend. It's your only hope
If Eli had been willing to hit the rhythm section the same way Jett was. It’s definitely a lot better race.
The crazy thing is that line wasn't only faster. It looked easier when Jett did it then when he tried any other rhythm through that section. Jett made mistakes everytime he didn't hit that quad. But looked nearly perfect everytime he did.
I know Chase was hitting the Quad in the heat race, was he doing it in the main, I thought i saw him hit it a couple times?
Pit Row
The amazing thing about Jett is that he's only racing at about 80% effort and he's still smoken um. Jett's detractors can only hope that he has a mishap of some kind that puts him in a position where he has to ride at 100% towards the end of the season to win the AMA SX Championship and then we'll really see the FMOTP speed he's truly capable of.
Oh what a tangled web we weave...
Ya know, sometimes I think…”The kids are alright!”
But, then we get the Deegan haters, Jett strokers, front fender complainers, “This week’s broadcast” monkeys, so-n-so shouldn’t be allowed to race in the 250 class!, Barcia’s done, Eli’s done…etc. …etc. …etc.
And…then…I’m thinking…maybe not. Maybe the kids are on crack.
I guess crack must be very potent! It's also looking like it's just not the kids using it. 😏
Not be a dick much? You know….you can post without being a condescending douche.
Done arguing with you about Jett. You said, “I'm not sure if you race or not, if so then you should easily be able to tell from his body language that he's riding at more like 75% effort - from the very first round he looks like he's trail riding after the 3rd lap.”
yes….I’ve raced….and the comments above, based on my reading comprehension, are dumb as hell and insulting to the many great riders within a few points at the season halfway point. They are just plain wrong and I don’t care if you have raced or not. Not even Jett would agree with you.
Jett was dominant. The quad and speed thru the whoops was a big difference.
And his start in the midst of tire chaos was also impressive.
3 wins at the half way point. '24 SX Champ.
RC's breakout ride that fits into this context is when he beat MC and went on to run roughshod both indoors and out for a bunch more years.
I’ve been a Tomac fan for years and I wish it was a legit excuse but he said that wasn’t issue. The only issue he had was that rhythm section which he was losing a good second on at least. I could tell in the heat race that if he didn’t dial that in he didn’t really have a chance and proved to be his downfall.
That would be Arizona 2001. I was saying that Anaheim 01 was similar in the way that he beat MC at the place MC was most dominant. We will have to wait to know how similar the Daytona ride is or is not. If Jett goes on a big streak , its a great comparison and what I would agree was a break out ride. But who knows , I think Jett is fast enough to make it happen. Just needs to avoid some of the bad decisions / bad luck he has had so far. As funny as it is to say that he has had a rough season, being in the points lead and having won 3 mains. Funny how even Jetts worst critics are going him credit by saying his season is not going well.
At that point in 2001 RC had also already won a big bike class Outdoor national title like jet. But he went big bikes in SX a season before going to them outdoors.
I think that going into it the way that Jett did, Start on the big bike outdoors and have a season of outdoors on the big bike before going into SX on it, might have helped RC not have such a rough time. If he had done it the way Jett did. And I'm not saying that Jett is going to do anything more than what he has done. Just pointing out when and what RC did. And how Jett is on a great start to be one of the greats by the time he is done.
He had two Honda techs working on the rear wheel and they also didn't pull the bike off the line. It's in the same section as grooming in front of the gate, so it should be a 2 position penalty for each infraction.
1.8.8 STAGING a. If a Rider who qualified for a start position in a Race or the Rider’s designee has not entered the staging checkpoint prior to the call to the starting gate, the Rider will officially forfeit their original starting position for the race and will be placed in the next available gate position. b. When Riders are called from the staging area to line up on the starting gate: 1. Each Rider may have only one crew member accompany them to the Starting Gate. No other crew members are permitted at the Starting Gate.
1.8.10 STARTING PROCEDURES a. Once a motorcycle is in its gate position at the starting gate: 1. The gate position cannot be changed. 2. In the event a Rider needs to make repairs once loaded in the starting gate, the motorcycle must be pushed back from the gate to behind the rear restraint before any repairs can be made, so as not to interfere with other competitors.
It wasn't a repair. I'm not a Jett fan in the least, but he shouldn't be penalized for that.
If it was a privateer and they DID penalize him, you all would be on here claiming they are picking on the low guys and "what else was he supposed to do, take off with the warmer on?"
This is where spirit of the law and letter of the law matters.
It's only not a repair if we're trying to weasel out of the rules. Otherwise, something was done incorrectly and needed repair to correct it. If they left the air box cover on after pressure washing it and forgot to swap it with the filter and did it on the starting line, it would still be a repair just the same.
Even if they dock him, he clearly still "won", so it's meaningless from my chair.
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