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… which is why Suzuki is missing an opportunity to fully embrace being that affordable option. The MX market desperately needs it with everyone else competing to be the fanciest and most expensive. Current RMZ platform is perfectly serviceable. Just add e-start, maybe shave a little weight. Nothing major. Maybe update the plastics every 3-5 years, little tweaks here and there as needed. Then heavily undercut the other OEMs on price.
Win-win. Suzuki would sell them with little R&D expense compared to competitors, and consumers would have an affordable new bike option. And if they sold well it’d also force other OEMs to be more price competitive. Maybe even bring the used market down since people would prefer a new bike over similarly priced used one.
Chinese bike company that was founded in 2007 by an ex pro Chinese enduro rider. I believe they even raced Dakar this year. Not the greatest looking bike though.
Who cares what some guy in DE thinks
Man.is this guy annoying,keeps pushing his agenda,had nothing to do,maybe he is bored behind the desk of a gas station
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How old is the YZ250 platform.
Suzuki should have kept the RM assembly line running
To be fair, you do get more performance (and longevity for the most part) out of more expensive products. However, it's up to you if it's worth it or not.
That depends on who owns it. I know guys who can take top notch stuff and will rag it out faster than you can blink, and OCD clowns like me can make clunkers last forever.
But your premise is correct all things equal.
True, depends on the product though. Plenty of times people pay more just for the name and image. I agree for bikes though, the other OEMs have Suzuki beat on performance. But not enough to be a dealbreaker for a regular joe rider where racing/winning isn’t a priority though.
I disagree on longevity though. With the same maintenance and upkeep an RMZ will last just as any other OEM would. Maybe even longer, they’ve been pumping basically the same bike off that assembly line for so long they’re bulletproof at this point. Same reason Toyotas last forever, keep building the same thing long enough it’s easy to iron all the kinks out.
To add to this, maybe 1% of members of this board can ride a 450 to it's full potential so how much power it makes is less important than how it makes it's power and an RMZ is an amazingly capable bike in that regard. I just wish they'd add the button because it's about all anyone can really ding it for.
And what Bobby said above is accurate. Take competent steps to maintain your bikes properly and they will last a long time.
Don't forget how they treated Stefan Everts too...
I'm not necessarily talking about bikes. For example, a $250 YETI cooler should las longer than a $25 Walmart one if they were both treated and used the same way.
10 pager of love for a brand who pissed on its legacy, on its teams, on its riders, on its faithful buyers and don't give a fuck about who that Roczen guy is.
And of course, still no new bike.
Suzuki continiuity on MXGP was depending on Steven to get outside sponsorship ,wich he couldnt get
Downvote all you want, it remains the actual truth.
Id put an rmz up against any brand in durability. If Suzuki goes away people are gunna miss them when a new 450 is 15k. And you come to terms that you are absolutely no faster on your orange bike than you would be on a yellow one
But Suzuki still makes and sells RMZs..
Slow day shitting in the electric bike threads ey?
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Or a $500 BOB cooler?
When I see someone who paid that for one of those, I wonder if they didn't leave an "O" out of "BOB".
This, equipment blamers are one of my biggest pet peeves, I understand if you have money it's ok to avoid a RMZ due to no kick start, but it's a different story if you blame your stock bike for your short comings especially on a C/D level.
I remember seeing the posts when Kenny chose Zook saying how a dinosaur could never podium, Kenny won and has podiumed on the zook because hes fucking Ken Roczen, same reason why PC dominated for a decade, Mitch had RC, Stew and RV literally hall of famers.
people can trash talk suzukis all they want but there is something about a well setup rmz that no other bike offers. they are a little off stock but it doesnt take much to make them a very competitive bike that is easy to go fast on. just for reference i own a rockstar edition husky 450 with cone valves.
People can’t trash talk me all they want, but a suzuki, I’d ride one.
off a cliff.
(p.s. it’s been done before) I’m not gonna mention any names but there are people around the globe that has had an addiction for bikes, and that have rode one off a cliff.
you see what I did there? Only OG ass VHS tape nikkas will know what I did there, Godfrey being one of em.
Riding off a cliff is old school...
Lot of putting words in people's mouths here. Nobody has said the only choice to buying a Suzuki is a $13,000 Austrian bike, any of the other Japanese bikes are great alternatives and can be similar in price at times. Doesn't Honda even offer an economy last year's tech model CRF450 now? Actually, seeing how the Suzuki hasn't had a major redo in many years why would anyone buy a new Suzuki if a used Suzuki is the same bike and much less expensive? If the major draw of purchasing a Suzuki is cost, why even buy a new one then, serious question? And of course a Suzuki is "good enough", so is McDonalds, WalMart, trailer parks, and above ground pools. To some people good enough is OK, to others it will never do, that is life. And as far as Suzuki's long time unethical practices, lack of support for the sport and inevitable abandonment (perhaps this isn't obvious to everyone) of even making motocrossers altogether, that doesn't matter to Suzuki's customers. Does anyone race RM85s at all anymore?
Careful what you wish for. We mountain bike often, at times the trails are so flooded with additional riders you can't make clean passes anywhere. These are multi-billion dollar, international, publicly held corporations, if there was a market for cheap motocrossers wouldn't one of the makers already produce one?
I would have bought an RMZ if I could have paid the same as 228. Instead I paid close to twice for a 24 KX. Kawasaki just sent me a letter wanting to smear JB weld on my frame.
I could have had a bitchin Suzuki and paid my bills for a month with the money I spent. Im also not one of those guys who needs to justify my purchase.
I don't know anything about Kove, but there was even a thread here on Vital about their 450. It was rumored that they indeed want to go racing... Ambitious for sure. It probably depends on whether the CCP will fund it....
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/moto-related/kove-mx450
Isn’t there a thread on here right now where guys are spending 3k + on their 11k 350’s to make them rideable?
Sure but all others are still 10k minimum, and even Hondas previous model is more, other than e start they are the same motorcycle on paper, personal preference really. I’d buy another Suzuki, personally I buy a new bike before I have to split cases as preventative maintenance. Also I’m not a Suzuki home boy I’m not brand loyal honestly. But bashing a perfectly capable dirt bike that is priced right is so dumb. I think every year bikes are pricing them selves out of people who are buying these things. Yeah rm 85 is pretty much dead but so is the kx85, yz 85 isn’t far ahead, cr85 has been gone.l
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