Phil Nicolettis bike

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1/11/2024 9:18pm

 I paid 2.65 a gallon today on South Carolina at Costco,

I wish the sold VP

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1/11/2024 11:15pm Edited Date/Time 1/11/2024 11:16pm

That's what I run in my vehicles. Good, cheap gas. 

G-man wrote:
How much cheaper is it every time I go to Costco I see the gas line and it's 20 to 30 cars deep and I don't...

How much cheaper is it every time I go to Costco I see the gas line and it's 20 to 30 cars deep and I don't even bother of course they don't list the price. 

That's because it's literally the cheapest gas around in any state. But I do think it's not worth it to wait to save a couple bucks...

That's because it's literally the cheapest gas around in any state. But I do think it's not worth it to wait to save a couple bucks if the line is super long. It does go quick tho, they got the process down...

A couple bucks? You filling up a moped? It could be $20 for me in a full sized truck. I'm up early so it's worth it to me.

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1/11/2024 11:34pm
enketchum wrote:

Matthes said it was the "throttle body" 

mxtech1 wrote:
Probability of anything mechanical failing on the throttle body itself is extremely low. From what I’ve pieced together, the problem didn’t present itself until Phil’s practice...

Probability of anything mechanical failing on the throttle body itself is extremely low. From what I’ve pieced together, the problem didn’t present itself until Phil’s practice start on the parade lap. Once the throttle goes wide open, the ECU is calling for a specific fuel trim & timing strategy to achieve full load at rated speed. I’m assuming they’re using a TriCan sensor in the air intake/throttle body path. This sensor measures the incoming air pressure, temperature, and humidity which the ECU uses in real time to calculate the best fuel & timing outputs. If any 3 of these channels were presenting inaccurate signals to the ECU, the result could certainly be a bog at wide open throttle. We could see Phil’s mechanic trying to clean a sensor on the air intake side so it seems to be the culprit. 

Geezus! Thanks for the insight, but so glad I gave up building bikes in 2005 😂

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1/11/2024 11:46pm Edited Date/Time 1/11/2024 11:49pm

The Trican combi sensors, at least proper TE ones, are super reliable but everything is going to fail at some point, whether it's brand new or 20 years old and hopefully that's all it was, just super bad luck.

Use tonnes of TE stuff here, Raychem, Deutsch, Amp, etc, it's almost always excellent, hence most western militaries and motorsports being so reliant on their product, good shit 🙂

MXtech, you're clearly switched on dude, cheers for sharing.

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1/12/2024 12:13am Edited Date/Time 1/12/2024 12:16am

I thought Phil handled his live interview right after missing the main very well.   

I was disappointed 🤣

….where was the real Filthy ?!

 

would have fired up with a kick starter and some choke. 

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1/12/2024 4:32am

Runnin that Costco 87 will catch up to ya

That's what I run in my vehicles. Good, cheap gas. 

I get BJ’s I’m a member there

Back to Phil, he handled the situation like a changed man. 
The new Philanthropic Phil

 

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1/12/2024 5:29am

 I was cringing just watching that mechanic unplugging and trying everything he could on that HOT motor with no gloves on!  i know that motor was hot after the parade lap but he never second guessed touching anything.

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1/12/2024 5:43am

Runnin that Costco 87 will catch up to ya

That's what I run in my vehicles. Good, cheap gas. 

FahQ wrote:

I get BJ’s I’m a member there

Back to Phil, he handled the situation like a changed man. 
The new Philanthropic Phil

 

I've never seen that service offered at my Costco. Do you just inquire at the customer service desk?

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1/12/2024 5:50am
sandman768 wrote:

Electrical👌

Boomslang wrote:
For sure electrical but I'd like to know exactly which part and what caused it to shit itself. That's how we learn. His bike probably was...

For sure electrical but I'd like to know exactly which part and what caused it to shit itself. That's how we learn.

His bike probably

was washed and blown dry and prepared. It was running perfect until he got close to the staging area when something shat itself. This scenario is a mechanics nightmare.

Most likely a little water got in somewhere and fucked him over at the worst possible moment.

I feel bad for the mechanic and Phil. He was riding very well and I was expecting a great result.

A the best wishes to them for San Fran...

You think they really washed it ? I kinda doubt that 

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1/12/2024 8:25am
Richy wrote:
The Trican combi sensors, at least proper TE ones, are super reliable but everything is going to fail at some point, whether it's brand new or...

The Trican combi sensors, at least proper TE ones, are super reliable but everything is going to fail at some point, whether it's brand new or 20 years old and hopefully that's all it was, just super bad luck.

Use tonnes of TE stuff here, Raychem, Deutsch, Amp, etc, it's almost always excellent, hence most western militaries and motorsports being so reliant on their product, good shit 🙂

MXtech, you're clearly switched on dude, cheers for sharing.

The sensor itself is most likely off the shelf and fairly robust, however once you bring that sensor into a new application (such as a new motor package for '24 in Club's case) the system reliability becomes unknown until enough hours are accumulated to discover all the possible failure modes. 

 

Could have been something as simple as moisture getting into the weather-pack seal, an unseated wire in the electrical harness or connector end causing an open or intermittent circuit, or perhaps an internal failure with the sensor itself causing an out of range/inaccurate reading. 

 

We'll never get straight up answers from teams as to what failed because they don't believe in reporting failures openly & honestly, so all we can do is make educated assumptions from the facts & information presented to us. 

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That's what I run in my vehicles. Good, cheap gas. 

FahQ wrote:

I get BJ’s I’m a member there

Back to Phil, he handled the situation like a changed man. 
The new Philanthropic Phil

 

GrapeApe wrote:

I've never seen that service offered at my Costco. Do you just inquire at the customer service desk?

I now have to clean my keyboard, thanks for that.....Lol

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1/12/2024 4:10pm
kylemenz1 wrote:
Phil can really turn it off (bad language) when he needs too. I was really impressed with his interview. I’m guessing the TV crew was not...

IMG 4169 0Phil can really turn it off (bad language) when he needs too. I was really impressed with his interview. I’m guessing the TV crew was not. They probably thought they were going to get some viral highlight reel of Phil going off!  Haha. Jokes on them. 

I don’t have anything to add that hasn’t already been said in this thread, but hell yes for the ASG shirt!

1/13/2024 7:57am
kylemenz1 wrote:
Phil can really turn it off (bad language) when he needs too. I was really impressed with his interview. I’m guessing the TV crew was not...

IMG 4169 0Phil can really turn it off (bad language) when he needs too. I was really impressed with his interview. I’m guessing the TV crew was not. They probably thought they were going to get some viral highlight reel of Phil going off!  Haha. Jokes on them. 

Taylor415 wrote:

I don’t have anything to add that hasn’t already been said in this thread, but hell yes for the ASG shirt!

Hell yeah brother!  Haha. Been listening to them since 2001. My good friend was college roommates with Jason the lead singer. It’s too bad they don’t make it out to California much anymore. Another reason I’d like to move to North Carolina!  Haha. 

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curtiss938 wrote:
 I was cringing just watching that mechanic unplugging and trying everything he could on that HOT motor with no gloves on!  i know that motor was...

 I was cringing just watching that mechanic unplugging and trying everything he could on that HOT motor with no gloves on!  i know that motor was hot after the parade lap but he never second guessed touching anything.

I was thinking the same while watching, he must be burning the shit out of his hand!

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1/13/2024 8:04am

things break, jeremy's yz250 shit the bed on like line before a heat race too.

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1/13/2024 8:06am

In his interview yesterday with racerx. Phil said they found the issue and cause of the problem on Tuesday. It was something with the fuel injector. He also said something along the lines of it being unacceptable or ridiculous that it happened. 

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1/16/2024 7:32am
valveless wrote:
In his interview yesterday with racerx. Phil said they found the issue and cause of the problem on Tuesday. It was something with the fuel injector...

In his interview yesterday with racerx. Phil said they found the issue and cause of the problem on Tuesday. It was something with the fuel injector. He also said something along the lines of it being unacceptable or ridiculous that it happened. 

He gave a very vague answer: 
 

“Well, we do run the dual injection system no doubt. It’s a huge performance gain for a feasible price, IMO. We did track it to an injector problem, that caused the issue, but it wasn’t a failure of the dual injection part of things. Just an injector issue. It’s just crazy how it all links back to finding the issue.
-Phil” 

 

Root cause is usually deeper than the failure mode being presented. What caused the injector issue, if it wasn’t part of the dual injector system?  
What components in the system could cause the injectors to not deliver the right amount of fuel at the correct time? System sensors, ECU software, ECU hardware, bad fuel, air intake restriction, etc . It’s unlikely the ECU or software failed or the mechanic left a rag in the air intake, but a faulty upstream sensor could absolutely fool the software into making bad decisions for fuel flow & timing of the injectors. 

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1/18/2024 10:26am
That's because it's literally the cheapest gas around in any state. But I do think it's not worth it to wait to save a couple bucks...

That's because it's literally the cheapest gas around in any state. But I do think it's not worth it to wait to save a couple bucks if the line is super long. It does go quick tho, they got the process down...

All my rigs besides bikes getting the cheapest pond water I can find, usually Costco or Fredmeyer

Chance1216 wrote:

I knew you were in Washington  as soon as I saw, Fred Meyer 😂 

snohomish co-op for the vp buddy haha

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1/18/2024 11:33am
mxtech1 wrote:
He gave a very vague answer:    “Well, we do run the dual injection system no doubt. It’s a huge performance gain for a feasible price...

He gave a very vague answer: 
 

“Well, we do run the dual injection system no doubt. It’s a huge performance gain for a feasible price, IMO. We did track it to an injector problem, that caused the issue, but it wasn’t a failure of the dual injection part of things. Just an injector issue. It’s just crazy how it all links back to finding the issue.
-Phil” 

 

Root cause is usually deeper than the failure mode being presented. What caused the injector issue, if it wasn’t part of the dual injector system?  
What components in the system could cause the injectors to not deliver the right amount of fuel at the correct time? System sensors, ECU software, ECU hardware, bad fuel, air intake restriction, etc . It’s unlikely the ECU or software failed or the mechanic left a rag in the air intake, but a faulty upstream sensor could absolutely fool the software into making bad decisions for fuel flow & timing of the injectors. 

It could also be as simple as a fuel filter coming apart and clogging the basket screen. It could be a fuel content problem, some injectors don’t like MTBE fuels. 

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1/19/2024 6:31am

🖕🏽phil

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