Mike Alessi!!

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2/9/2010 2:39pm
Deetsmx wrote:
The problem is that by the time they are top guys in the US they would be dumb to take a pay cut and head to...
The problem is that by the time they are top guys in the US they would be dumb to take a pay cut and head to Europe, especially since this is where most of them want to be anyway. The prestige follows the money no matter what the name of the championship. If you want to make a lot of money you have to race the best in the world and that's why guys head over here in the first place. Don't think for a second that if Cairoli thought that he could win here (in SX and MX) that he wouldn't be over here. The problem is that the teams here want you to race both series, not just outdoor.
Mxxer wrote:
I don't think it comes down to whether AC thnks he can or can't win in the US. Cairoli is top Euro dog, and earns reasonable...
I don't think it comes down to whether AC thnks he can or can't win in the US. Cairoli is top Euro dog, and earns reasonable money. Nowhere near as much as the top US riders but good nonetheless.

However, despite being top Euro he would be an unknown quantity in SX, and his starting pay would reflect that. Sure, if he went on to become SX and MX champ he'd make more, but he'd have to take a hefty step back in pay first, and if he didn't cut it, or got hurt in SX he'd have killed the golden goose.

So, does AC gamble and take a cut in the hope that he'll make more later, or stick with the big-ish bucks he's on now?

I wouldn't blame him for staying put. I think Everts made the same choice. A career is short and an established older rider isn't going to cross the Atlantic in either direction if they're earning well at home.

If you're Tommy Searle, and on the way up it's different. Tommy wasn't earning that much in Europe so he could get on the US ladder without such a drop back in pay and hit the ground running.

Anstie planned his move years ago. Smart choice.
Good points, but I'm sure he'd still make a hefty sum here. Teams would be dumb to pass on him as anyone with that much talent would be able to adapt. I'm sure he'd rather be top dog there as opposed to top 5 in sx here and top 3 in nationals (yes he could win, but my money is still on Villopoto, Allessi, and Reed on home soil)
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2/9/2010 2:41pm
Mike should do whatever is the most fun and makes him the most money. "Motocross fans" walk right by past World and National champions in the pits at races every week and don't have any clue who they are. Fame is fleeting. Every racer should have fun and make as much money in their short career as possible, whether that is in the USA or Europe.
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2/9/2010 2:56pm
Great to see some Americans over in Europe, Albertson comes across well and will win fans, but i see Alessi losing them. Why moan about the bike over a meaningless pre-season international... especially when his teamate rode the same thing and rocked the place! Alessi won't challenge Cairoli in his brief stint, and will go back to the US with a huge chip on his shoulder!




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2/9/2010 4:03pm Edited Date/Time 8/16/2010 11:47am
Cairoli, Desalle, Leok are ridiculous GP machines!

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2/9/2010 4:19pm
If James said those words you guys wold all be jumping up and down cheering.

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I would still like to see Cairoli on a SX track in the states... Has good style and seems more relaxed and confident over the jumps than most euros...
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2/9/2010 4:40pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 8:41pm
Crush wrote:
I would still like to see Cairoli on a SX track in the states... Has good style and seems more relaxed and confident over the jumps...
I would still like to see Cairoli on a SX track in the states... Has good style and seems more relaxed and confident over the jumps than most euros...
Only a couple of years ago i saw Cairoli spank Grant at a Euro SX round... Cairoli has skills on an SX track!

... but you could say AMA SX is alot different with it being on much larger tracks and less arenacross style, but he won so that is that! It would be awesome if he went over to the US full time, but i just don't see him going now!
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There was a time in the good ole USA that when European racers were on the line,we all wondered who would be first American.Finishing 7th and...
There was a time in the good ole USA that when European racers were on the line,we all wondered who would be first American.Finishing 7th and 1st American was a very respectable finish.In other words we used to SUCK!!You remove RV and Dungey from our talent pool ,I would say its a pretty good match on both sides of the pond.
So your saying RV and Dungey are better than anything the GP's have ? Is that based on the first round at Glen helen and the last moto of the MXdN ?

Saying that Tedesco, Short, Millsaps etc. are on par with Cairoli, Philippaerts, Nagl to name a few is crazy
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i still don't get why this debate still goes on...........
it's two diferent worlds, us kids grow up dreaming on the sx title and euro kids on the mx world title.........
in usa the money is on sx, its their prime championship and its the most competitive in the world and the 2º is in australia....
in europe its all on mx, theres the national series and the best race the world championship....sx is so secundary that they can't even put up a decent euro sx championship.....only a few one-off races with prestige......
i dont think it can be compared cuz its really diferent and thats why some are better is sx while others do better in mx.....
most euros that come to us are from france, chancing JMBs dream, and that is cuz france is probably the biggest euro country in sx.......
and then there's the economy of the sport, usa was its biggest market so its only logical that it payed better, and global media showed it, so all the best riders from the world wanted to get their share of it, and the us riders stoped going over to loose money......
still there were some mx specialists that didnt risk it cuz they made good money on mxwc.......
but now things are changing, us economy is down and there are not much well payed rides anymore, not even for all the big american names.....add to that the fact that the us big sponsors are investing in europe now.......
i think us fans should drop it and get real.......spot being so blindfolded and look around.....you got the greatest sx series in the world for sure.....but for those who like mx, things are spread and there's 2 great series to follow, and just cuz you put sx first and we dont, mxgp series is growing and getting better for the top teams, so maybe its no longer worse then us outdoors..........
so i think that it is those ignorant us guys that bad talk the mxgp and the mxdn, out of ignorance, that are missing a lot of great motocross.......cuz from what i see here there are a lot of american mx fans that follow the sport and now about it, where ever the races are.............
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There was a time in the good ole USA that when European racers were on the line,we all wondered who would be first American.Finishing 7th and...
There was a time in the good ole USA that when European racers were on the line,we all wondered who would be first American.Finishing 7th and 1st American was a very respectable finish.In other words we used to SUCK!!You remove RV and Dungey from our talent pool ,I would say its a pretty good match on both sides of the pond.
joe101uk wrote:
So your saying RV and Dungey are better than anything the GP's have ? Is that based on the first round at Glen helen and the...
So your saying RV and Dungey are better than anything the GP's have ? Is that based on the first round at Glen helen and the last moto of the MXdN ?

Saying that Tedesco, Short, Millsaps etc. are on par with Cairoli, Philippaerts, Nagl to name a few is crazy
I guess what I said and what I meant didnt come out to well.Most of my fellow Americans feel that we are the dominate factor in motocross,which I dont really see it that way.Reed won our nationals,Pourcel was one blown motor from a championship as well.What I was trying to say is there really is no reason to believe we are the best,other than pride.I have all the respect in the world for the GPriders,and Ithink we are pretty evenly matched.I also believe if one of our top guys was to do the GPs it would be a hell of a lot tougher to win a title than most people think.
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WR5 wrote:
Alessi´s words on the GP: I think it is a great series. Being a world champion has a lot of prestige. Not many people can say...
Alessi´s words on the GP: I think it is a great series. Being a world champion has a lot of prestige. Not many people can say they are a champion of the world. I believe it has more prestige than the AMA!!




My Words: Nonsense!!
WOW, where did you read that? I'm sure he said it while he wa sin europe to the European media, correct? And what would be so wrong about speaking good about the countries he will be racing in? He could have been trying to be nice, who knows, but even if he mean't it, it is a matter of opinion, i think who ever wins either title is one bad dude, so what's the point of you sparking up a thread with this "nonsense"? Oh yeah, your bored like most of us.
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2/9/2010 6:17pm
The world champ got the most points at MXDN!!!!
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2/9/2010 6:27pm Edited Date/Time 2/9/2010 6:29pm
There was a time in the good ole USA that when European racers were on the line,we all wondered who would be first American.Finishing 7th and...
There was a time in the good ole USA that when European racers were on the line,we all wondered who would be first American.Finishing 7th and 1st American was a very respectable finish.In other words we used to SUCK!!You remove RV and Dungey from our talent pool ,I would say its a pretty good match on both sides of the pond.
joe101uk wrote:
So your saying RV and Dungey are better than anything the GP's have ? Is that based on the first round at Glen helen and the...
So your saying RV and Dungey are better than anything the GP's have ? Is that based on the first round at Glen helen and the last moto of the MXdN ?

Saying that Tedesco, Short, Millsaps etc. are on par with Cairoli, Philippaerts, Nagl to name a few is crazy
You are saying that the U.S. factory riders Tedesco, Short, Millsaps, etc. are NOT on par with their European factory counterparts Cairoli, Philliparts, Nagl "to name a few"? Boy, you need to put down your warm English beer for a while. Tee many Martoonees.
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You are good at what you practice at, if any of you have watched the GPs, you would agree that the top US riders would struggle on some of those crazy rough sand tracks they have over there, likewise the same way a lot of Euros will struggle in the US on some of their style of track as well, this debate could go on and on, why cant you guys just respect both sides and be done with it!
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You are good at what you practice at, if any of you have watched the GPs, you would agree that the top US riders would struggle...
You are good at what you practice at, if any of you have watched the GPs, you would agree that the top US riders would struggle on some of those crazy rough sand tracks they have over there, likewise the same way a lot of Euros will struggle in the US on some of their style of track as well, this debate could go on and on, why cant you guys just respect both sides and be done with it!
Well said
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There was a time in the good ole USA that when European racers were on the line,we all wondered who would be first American.Finishing 7th and...
There was a time in the good ole USA that when European racers were on the line,we all wondered who would be first American.Finishing 7th and 1st American was a very respectable finish.In other words we used to SUCK!!You remove RV and Dungey from our talent pool ,I would say its a pretty good match on both sides of the pond.
joe101uk wrote:
So your saying RV and Dungey are better than anything the GP's have ? Is that based on the first round at Glen helen and the...
So your saying RV and Dungey are better than anything the GP's have ? Is that based on the first round at Glen helen and the last moto of the MXdN ?

Saying that Tedesco, Short, Millsaps etc. are on par with Cairoli, Philippaerts, Nagl to name a few is crazy
pilotdude wrote:
You are saying that the U.S. factory riders Tedesco, Short, Millsaps, etc. are NOT on par with their European factory counterparts Cairoli, Philliparts, Nagl "to name...
You are saying that the U.S. factory riders Tedesco, Short, Millsaps, etc. are NOT on par with their European factory counterparts Cairoli, Philliparts, Nagl "to name a few"? Boy, you need to put down your warm English beer for a while. Tee many Martoonees.
That's exactly what i'm saying. Philippaerts would eat those riders up for breakfast
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2/9/2010 8:48pm
No surprise that Alessi is picking favorites.

IMO, both series are equals overall. They have their good and their bad., but Ican't believe I'm still hearing people that don't want to throw any respect to the euros after the MXDN.
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2/9/2010 10:51pm
WR5 wrote:
Alessi´s words on the GP: I think it is a great series. Being a world champion has a lot of prestige. Not many people can say...
Alessi´s words on the GP: I think it is a great series. Being a world champion has a lot of prestige. Not many people can say they are a champion of the world. I believe it has more prestige than the AMA!!




My Words: Nonsense!!
thats pretty funny from a guy who hasnt won any championship professionally yet
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Let's face it.... anything Alessi says to media is awkward babble. Remember last year when he couldn't stop talking about how him and James Stewart were best buddies on the phone? Or how about his 150 lbs of pure muscle comment? Or even when he went crazy nuts happy when he took that podium at indy? There are more examples than can be counted. A fast motocrosser he is. Not so good on the "words" side of things.
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2/10/2010 12:04am
Crush wrote:
I would still like to see Cairoli on a SX track in the states... Has good style and seems more relaxed and confident over the jumps...
I would still like to see Cairoli on a SX track in the states... Has good style and seems more relaxed and confident over the jumps than most euros...
Cairoli is going to be fast on any style of track. The kid is just really, really good.
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2/10/2010 12:42am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 8:41pm
Craze wrote:
+ 2.......back in the day that was the goal of the American riders...to get to the gp circuit and win the "World" championship...........it's about $$$$$$ now...
+ 2.......back in the day that was the goal of the American riders...to get to the gp circuit and win the "World" championship...........it's about $$$$$$ now, No honor present anymore...These guys took the prestige and honor of representing their country over big $$$$
1. Brad Lackey... He chased the dream for 10 years before winning it...Our 1st and only American 500cc World champion.1982

2. Danny LaPorte...He was actually the 1st American World Champion ( by 1 week) and 1st American 250cc World champion.1982

3. Trampas Parker....1st American 125cc World champion 1989 and 3rd American 250cc World champion 1991

4. Donnie Schmidt...R.I.P........2nd American 125cc World champion and 2nd American 250cc World champion 1990

5. Bobby Moore... 3rd American 125cc World champion and Last American World champion..1994...

It's been 26 years...It's about time we have another American world champion!!!!

P.S. I would have like to have seen the GOAT of America vs The GOAT of Europe straight up for one season....that would have dispelled any doubt...
BobbyM wrote:
don't forget rodney smith.....he went and did pretty damn good,.
No disrespect to Rodney....He did do very well. Just stating that there are only 5 American World champions and only 2 are Twice World Champions...Trampas & Donny.......Only 7 American world titles...there should be a hell of a lot more IMHO!!!!
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My opinion of the Americans MX fraternity has really improved after reading some stuff here... seems some of you really respect the GP riders, which is awesome!!!
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i remember when MC was racing with chaparral back up, it was said that chaparral alone sold more YZs that year then yamaha europe...........
don't know if it is exactly true, and also know that the biggest deal for yamaha europe are the road bikes.......
still it kind of shows why it was not logical for americans to come and race the mxgps, and why most of the europes big names wanted to race in usa........
but i see thing changing, it is getting tougher for top americans to get a good deal and us companies are growing interest in europe, and with the 18 rule, i can see more and more us riders to cross the pound and join jimmy albertson, specially if he does good..........
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2/10/2010 3:27am Edited Date/Time 2/10/2010 3:30am
joe101uk wrote:
So your saying RV and Dungey are better than anything the GP's have ? Is that based on the first round at Glen helen and the...
So your saying RV and Dungey are better than anything the GP's have ? Is that based on the first round at Glen helen and the last moto of the MXdN ?

Saying that Tedesco, Short, Millsaps etc. are on par with Cairoli, Philippaerts, Nagl to name a few is crazy
pilotdude wrote:
You are saying that the U.S. factory riders Tedesco, Short, Millsaps, etc. are NOT on par with their European factory counterparts Cairoli, Philliparts, Nagl "to name...
You are saying that the U.S. factory riders Tedesco, Short, Millsaps, etc. are NOT on par with their European factory counterparts Cairoli, Philliparts, Nagl "to name a few"? Boy, you need to put down your warm English beer for a while. Tee many Martoonees.
joe101uk wrote:
That's exactly what i'm saying. Philippaerts would eat those riders up for breakfast
exactly phillipaerts came from way back to pass tedesco at the nations...

Dungey and RV aren't any faster than Cairoli, Desalle etc either.
Cairoli beat Dungey at the Nations as did desalle when he didn't crash...
I would doubt either of those guys would win the World title in their first year... they are on the level of the top GP guys but They would just be another couple of fast guys on that level looking for a title.
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There was a time in the good ole USA that when European racers were on the line,we all wondered who would be first American.Finishing 7th and...
There was a time in the good ole USA that when European racers were on the line,we all wondered who would be first American.Finishing 7th and 1st American was a very respectable finish.In other words we used to SUCK!!You remove RV and Dungey from our talent pool ,I would say its a pretty good match on both sides of the pond.
joe101uk wrote:
So your saying RV and Dungey are better than anything the GP's have ? Is that based on the first round at Glen helen and the...
So your saying RV and Dungey are better than anything the GP's have ? Is that based on the first round at Glen helen and the last moto of the MXdN ?

Saying that Tedesco, Short, Millsaps etc. are on par with Cairoli, Philippaerts, Nagl to name a few is crazy
I guess what I said and what I meant didnt come out to well.Most of my fellow Americans feel that we are the dominate factor in...
I guess what I said and what I meant didnt come out to well.Most of my fellow Americans feel that we are the dominate factor in motocross,which I dont really see it that way.Reed won our nationals,Pourcel was one blown motor from a championship as well.What I was trying to say is there really is no reason to believe we are the best,other than pride.I have all the respect in the world for the GPriders,and Ithink we are pretty evenly matched.I also believe if one of our top guys was to do the GPs it would be a hell of a lot tougher to win a title than most people think.
Exactly good post!
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Look at the list of past AMA champions and you'll see the main reason why GP riders haven't won many outdoor championships in the past 10 years or so.
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cillitbang wrote:
My opinion of the Americans MX fraternity has really improved after reading some stuff here... seems some of you really respect the GP riders, which is...
My opinion of the Americans MX fraternity has really improved after reading some stuff here... seems some of you really respect the GP riders, which is awesome!!!
The first race I ever attended was one of the Trans-AMA events in '71 in Baldwin Kansas where the 'euros' came over to teach us about the sport of Motocross (thanks guys!)...how could I NOT respect them Smile
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2/10/2010 7:43am Edited Date/Time 2/10/2010 7:47am
The day we see a merger between the AMA Nationals and the MXGP we'll know, each and every year, who's the best MX rider in the world. As things are now we are simply presented with candidates for that would-be title, in my opinion. These are my thoughts, titles of the titles aside. I'm fully aware that we do have a world championships already.

People treat the riders from different championships as if they were world apart in riding ability. "The GP riders are like B-riders in the US" and what have you, this comes from both sides. It makes me question if everyone is watching the same races I am. We have american riders doing good (I'm talking individually here) at the MXdN/MXoN. The top US Nationals riders (who are Americans, that is) are right up there in the mix with the top GP riders. In the US Nationals we have former GP riders being right up there in the mix with the top american riders.

Each race has a winner, but as things are nowadays, I can't say I see any real evidence of some sort of inherited superiority of riders hailing from one side of the world or the other. Apparently some people do, but I just don't. I see great riders coming from all over the place, and it never fails to excite me.

Yeah, the talent pool is probably deeper in the GP than it is in the Nationals, this despite the fact that the GP is constantly loosing riders who go over the the US (SX and money, baby). But this talent-depth is to be expected when you consider that Europe is, population-wise, two times larger than the US of A and Canada. Saying that the GP probably has a deeper talent pool than the Nationals shouldn't be seen as something offensive, it's more of the way the cookie crumbles, and some basic math. Per capita the US produces just as much talent as Europe, I'm sure.

Anyone who fails to respect a rider who races in either the GP or the Nationals is an uneducated fool. Long live the greatest sport on earth.
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2/10/2010 7:59am
Crush wrote:
I would still like to see Cairoli on a SX track in the states... Has good style and seems more relaxed and confident over the jumps...
I would still like to see Cairoli on a SX track in the states... Has good style and seems more relaxed and confident over the jumps than most euros...
Wich euro isn't relaxed and confident over the jumps? Watch the GP in Brazil for example, they threw some sick whips both in mx1 and mx2.
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hoppsan wrote:
The day we see a merger between the AMA Nationals and the MXGP we'll know, each and every year, who's the best MX rider in the...
The day we see a merger between the AMA Nationals and the MXGP we'll know, each and every year, who's the best MX rider in the world. As things are now we are simply presented with candidates for that would-be title, in my opinion. These are my thoughts, titles of the titles aside. I'm fully aware that we do have a world championships already.

People treat the riders from different championships as if they were world apart in riding ability. "The GP riders are like B-riders in the US" and what have you, this comes from both sides. It makes me question if everyone is watching the same races I am. We have american riders doing good (I'm talking individually here) at the MXdN/MXoN. The top US Nationals riders (who are Americans, that is) are right up there in the mix with the top GP riders. In the US Nationals we have former GP riders being right up there in the mix with the top american riders.

Each race has a winner, but as things are nowadays, I can't say I see any real evidence of some sort of inherited superiority of riders hailing from one side of the world or the other. Apparently some people do, but I just don't. I see great riders coming from all over the place, and it never fails to excite me.

Yeah, the talent pool is probably deeper in the GP than it is in the Nationals, this despite the fact that the GP is constantly loosing riders who go over the the US (SX and money, baby). But this talent-depth is to be expected when you consider that Europe is, population-wise, two times larger than the US of A and Canada. Saying that the GP probably has a deeper talent pool than the Nationals shouldn't be seen as something offensive, it's more of the way the cookie crumbles, and some basic math. Per capita the US produces just as much talent as Europe, I'm sure.

Anyone who fails to respect a rider who races in either the GP or the Nationals is an uneducated fool. Long live the greatest sport on earth.
Another good post!

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