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Say you're on the design team of any of the major manufacturers of MX and Offroad dirtbikes and because of your unquestionable ability to know what the Motocross and Offroad community wants and the company gives you the green light to produce it, what are you going to design that will make us run to the dealership and scream TAKE! my MONEY!.
My dream bike is an Electric start, fuel injected Honda CR300R works edition two stroke with KYB suspension and a Horsepower map that makes it pump out 60hp and weighs 210 lbs, gas mixed with Blendzall. I want to walk into my dealership and see something like this sitting there waiting to be loaded into my truck.
Poll
Why wouldn’t you just buy the ktm300sx ?
Because I like Honda's more and I want them to start making 2-strokes again, with modern day components.
Just bring back the last generation 2-strokes (Honda, Kawi, Zuki).... Little cost to bring back proven great bikes that they already have tooling for. Freshen them up with more modern forks/shocks.
KISS - keep it simple stupid. Electric start castings and EFI are just going to run the prices up. The sport needs some affordability. 4-strokes have killed affordability.
KTM/Husky/GasGas are out of their mind with their pricing of 2-stokes and they haven't ironed out the bug yet.
EDIT: You can shove the plug-in toasters that cost $14k where the sun don't shine.
I agree, let's go back to the simple days where dirtbikes were simple to work on. I still like the Electric start option, because I've gotten a little spoiled, but if they decided kick start only, I'm buying one if it costs less than 10K. Now they just need to listen to us.
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Make some concessions on your wish list and buy a YZ
Bingo. Support the brands that make what ya want, Quit living in the past.
And 4 inches of rear suspension and 7 inches of fork travel too?
I agree the Austrian two stroke prices are out of control. Carbed kicker, E-start and updated suspenders. There is no need for all the electronics. K.I.S.S. and under 10k🙂.
I'm not living in the past, Shit! I have a 2023 Works edition Honda 450 and a KTM 350 XCF Factory edition sitting in my garage. I'm just wondering if there's a bike you'd like to see made that currently isn't, if you had the opportunity to make it happen. Mine would be a 2 stroke Honda MX bike, nothing wrong with that dream.
Honda doesn't, and never will make 2 stroke engines. Accept it. Also, understand the dirt bike market is to minuscule, it's not worth their efforts to expand the range any further. You'd think a company with a turnover of $100 Billion+ P/A know what they're doing, and know what the market needs & wants on a feasible scale. If you want it, build it! So easy!
And they arent building it, buy a different 2 stroke
Honda didn't like two strokes even when they were making them...
They only built them because they pretty much had to and they were happier than anyone to get back to a 'four stroke only' line-up.
I have my best memories on CR 125's and I, reluctantly, still have huuuge nostalgia about them and get those random desires to buy old CR's, but I'm not gonna kid myself thinking Honda care at all about two strokes or people who want them.
Well! I guess you didn't grasp the purpose of this thread, it was meant for members to voice what they'd like to have available to purchase new at a dealership if they had the choice and not to act like a Debbie Downer and bitch about going to buy a Yamaha or KTM 2-stroke. Yamaha was the first to bring a competitive 4 stroke to motocross back in 1998, but they still make a 250 2-stroke. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe Honda, Kawasaki and Suzuki might entertain the idea of a modern day 2 stroke competition bike. That poll I put up obviously shows that at a margin 3 to 1 people would rather buy a brand new Honda CR300R 2-stroke than an electric Stark Varg, so obviously if they were on the showroom floor, they'd sell, but you'd just rather piss in the wind and complain about someone voicing what they'd like to see available.
Lol. Debbie downer,cause the truth was posted.Stay in your fantasy land while some of us like reality. If you cared so much about 2 strokes you would have a current one. Foh
There’s also a 4:1 margin of thumbs down 😂
Since you mentioned a CR 300. That was already attempted. It failed miserably. Look up Redline CR 300. I’m 99% sure Ryan Hughes pushed to endorse it. I know he was pushing their 500’s for sure. Granted, it was a KTM 300 motor in a CRF chassis but, it’s the same concept.
I know it would never happen, but I would REALLY like an old school 2-stroke, AIR-COOLED motor stuffed into a bike with modern suspension, brakes, frame geometry, seating position, etc. Something really easy to maintain and ride. No need for electric start. Oh, and around 190 lbs wet weight, like the old 125's used to be back in the day. :-)
The bikes are fine, if we're wishing....i wish the manifactures would be involved in establishing and work with the states on riding areas, that way we have a place to ride the tpys they make. Housing is eating up lots of land.
Pit Row
Either your mind doesn't do a very good job of grasping hypothetical scenarios or you just like putting a lot of your effort into arguing. Or, maybe a bit of both?
Yeah....keep supporting the companies that are raking in a lot more money on expensive to buy and service bikes. Pushing the sport out of peoples attainability at an increasing rate.
Right but say Honda did make one, it would likely cost very close to the same to buy and purchase?
If anyone made a two stroke again it would at least keep up with the price of a new YZ, which isn't far off a KTM.
Of course you're not wrong on prices rising, but adjusting prices for the time, a YZ 250 in 2023 isn't miles off of what it would have cost in 2003 is it? We've probably gotten off a little lighter than many other vehicles/sports?
Even looking at the price of metal now is wild, what would have been £1000 worth of roll cage tube 5 years ago is near double now.
Plenty new leftover options
Ironic coming from you. ,its an opinion like you have. Not my fault it upsets you.
If you think they still have the tooling for those last 2 stroke models laying around, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. That shit is in some landfill somewhere.
There seems to be a typo in the thread title...
"Say you're on the design team of any of the major manufacturers of MX and Offroad dirtbikes and because of your unquestionable ability to know what the Motocross and Offroad community wants and the company gives you the green light to produce it, what are you going to design that will make us run to the dealership and scream TAKE! my MONEY!. "
Since OPs post was a hypothetical question, your harsh and out of place "opinion" actually seemed off topic to me.
As a side note, I have no clue what you mean by "ironic coming from you" .
I feel you. I had four strokes and went back to Service Honda CR500AF. I’m a die hard Honda rider and would buy that if Honda manufactured it. But they won’t and never will build a two stroke again.
AJ at Built can build you that bike (250 stroked to 300), so go live the dream.
Neither of these options work. I wouldn't buy it because it's a Honda and have no interest in an electric bike.
Honda are not going to build you the bike you want, you will need to build it yourself...
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Full-Tilt-CR250-Two-Stroke-Build,1295530
Tm, Ktm, beta, Yamaha are building it and you aren’t “coming.”
go to the ones making what you’re asking for instead of supporting those who aren’t. The Honda fit and finish fanatics are left over feelings from the 80s and aren’t relevant anymore.
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