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LungButter 11/30/2023 2:53pm
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Magoofan wrote:

....and so it begins.

 

(I'm genuinely sorry to see you having issues like this)

What begins?  Dirt bikes have been breaking down for 100 years....

See "Grenaded GasGas 2 stroke" thread for another example.

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"You know Racing, I quite like your contributions these days, will I see you at team meeting with Anton next week? Laughing"

Flattery: one of the many weapons of the lobbyist.

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RACING 11/30/2023 2:56pm
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Magoofan wrote:
Not to mention, there is no "frame".   It's essentially a battery with a swingarm and forks mounted to it. You crack or damage that box (for...

Not to mention, there is no "frame".   It's essentially a battery with a swingarm and forks mounted to it.

You crack or damage that box (for lack of a better description) casing it or the errant rock and you're fawked...

That recently posted cracked case with the linkage hanging underneath was pretty impressive, disaster style...

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RACING 11/30/2023 3:00pm
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TahoeVetMX wrote:
I got one ride on my Stark and then a week later tried to start it up and it started smoking!   So, less than one hour...

I got one ride on my Stark and then a week later tried to start it up and it started smoking!   So, less than one hour and it is fried.   The one hour was good fun though!   

jjavaman wrote:

Pics?

TahoeVetMX wrote:

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These things are definitely too powerful for their own good.


Now you can experience the "electric problem" DNF just like the factory guys do.

Wink

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LungButter 11/30/2023 3:02pm
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RACING wrote:

That recently posted cracked case with the linkage hanging underneath was pretty impressive, disaster style...

Yeah buddy....reminded me a lot of the broken Yamaha and KTM frames that are all over the internet.  Disaster style for sure....

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The real Sasquatch 11/30/2023 3:02pm
11/30/2023 3:02pm
soggy wrote:

I would bet dollars to donuts stark takes care of this MxDick. 

MxAddic wrote:

Maybe they can overnight him a new bike. DTC, FTW!

Do You think that the entire bike is junk? From some melted connectors? While yes it could have been serious and started a fire. It also might be isolated to a small section of a wire harness and could have been a loose pin in the plug that  caused an arc and heat as a result.  I have not slept much the past few days, almost no sleep last night so I am a little loopy. And not awake enough to look and see if Stark as a diagram showing what those wires go to. Hopefully the damage is very isolated. 

 

Bummer to see some people excited and celebrating a fellow rider having issues with their bike. 

 

At least it is a real issue  and not some delusion or made up conspiracy thing being talked about now.   How about that Gasgas that blew the head apart? Crazy to see a 2 stroke that is normally reliable blow itself apart to that degree. $4K to fix a blown up 2 stroke. That was crazy to see. Glad he did not get hurt with it blowing up in the air like that.    

 

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jjavaman wrote:

Pics?

TahoeVetMX wrote:

20231129 214624

Magoofan wrote:

....and so it begins.

 

(I'm genuinely sorry to see you having issues like this)

No your not you want to see Stark fail. 

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MxAddic 11/30/2023 3:24pm
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soggy wrote:

No your not you want to see Stark fail. 

Your conflating his remorse for Tahoe and the Etards.

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soggy 11/30/2023 3:30pm
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soggy wrote:

No your not you want to see Stark fail. 

MxAddic wrote:

Your conflating his remorse for Tahoe and the Etards.

His remorse is superficial. 

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MxAddic 11/30/2023 3:35pm
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His remorse is superficial. 

Actually I find him not to lack empathy, a common characteristic shortcoming of some of the more active posters here.

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Dirty Points 11/30/2023 3:42pm
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soggy wrote:

His remorse is superficial. 

MxAddic wrote:

Actually I find him not to lack empathy, a common characteristic shortcoming of some of the more active posters here.

Magoofan seems a fine dude, just old and grumpy.

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Last2Stroke 11/30/2023 3:59pm
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Nothing to see here:     https://evvoiceofthecustomer.com/   A Letter to the President Dear Mr. President, We are auto dealers from across the country who collectively sell...

Nothing to see here:    Grinning

https://evvoiceofthecustomer.com/

 

A Letter to the President

Dear Mr. President,

We are auto dealers from across the country who collectively sell every major brand in the U.S. We are small businesses employing thousands of Americans. We are deeply committed to the customers we serve and the communities where we operate, which is why we are asking you to slow down your proposed regulations mandating battery electric vehicle (BEV) production and distribution.

Your Administration has proposed regulations that would essentially mandate a dramatic shift to battery electric vehicles (BEVs), increasing year after year until 2032, when two out of every three vehicles sold in America would have to be battery electric.

Currently, there are many excellent battery electric vehicles available for consumers to purchase. These vehicles are ideal for many people, and we believe their appeal will grow over time. The reality, however, is that electric vehicle demand today is not keeping up with the large influx of BEVs arriving at our dealerships prompted by the current regulations. BEVs are stacking up on our lots.

Last year, there was a lot of hope and hype about EVs. Early adopters formed an initial line and were ready to buy these vehicles as soon as we had them to sell. But that enthusiasm has stalled. Today, the supply of unsold BEVs is surging, as they are not selling nearly as fast as they are arriving at our dealerships -- even with deep price cuts, manufacturer incentives, and generous government incentives.

While the goals of the regulations are admirable, they require consumer acceptance to become a reality. With each passing day, it becomes more apparent that this attempted electric vehicle mandate is unrealistic based on current and forecasted customer demand. Already, electric vehicles are stacking up on our lots which is our best indicator of customer demand in the marketplace.

Mr. President, no government agency, no think tank, and no polling firm knows more about the automobile customer than us. We talk to customers every day. As retail automotive dealerships, we are agnostic as to what we sell. Our business is to provide customers with vehicles that meet the needs of their budgets and lifestyles.

Some customers are in the market for electric vehicles, and we are thrilled to sell them. But the majority of customers are simply not ready to make the change. They are concerned about BEVs being unaffordable. Many do not have garages for home charging or easy access to public charging stations. Customers are also concerned about the loss of driving range in cold or hot weather. Some have long daily commutes and don’t have the extra time to charge the battery. Truck buyers are especially put off by the dramatic loss of range when towing. Today’s current technology is not adequate to support the needs of the majority of our consumers.

Many of these challenges can and will be addressed by our manufacturers, but many of these challenges are outside of their control. Reliable charging networks, electric grid stability, sourcing of materials, and many other issues need time to resolve. And finally, many people just want to make their own choice about what vehicle is right for them.

Mr. President, it is time to tap the brakes on the unrealistic government electric vehicle mandate. Allow time for the battery technology to advance. Allow time to make BEVs more affordable. Allow time to develop domestic sources for the minerals to make batteries. Allow time for the charging infrastructure to be built and prove reliable. And most of all, allow time for the American consumer to get comfortable with the technology and make the choice to buy an electric vehicle.

Sincerely,
Supporting Dealerships

It's hard for dealers to compete when one manufacturer sells direct and dominates the industry...

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Last2Stroke 11/30/2023 3:59pm
11/30/2023 3:59pm
Magoofan wrote:
Nothing to see here:     https://evvoiceofthecustomer.com/   A Letter to the President Dear Mr. President, We are auto dealers from across the country who collectively sell...

Nothing to see here:    Grinning

https://evvoiceofthecustomer.com/

 

A Letter to the President

Dear Mr. President,

We are auto dealers from across the country who collectively sell every major brand in the U.S. We are small businesses employing thousands of Americans. We are deeply committed to the customers we serve and the communities where we operate, which is why we are asking you to slow down your proposed regulations mandating battery electric vehicle (BEV) production and distribution.

Your Administration has proposed regulations that would essentially mandate a dramatic shift to battery electric vehicles (BEVs), increasing year after year until 2032, when two out of every three vehicles sold in America would have to be battery electric.

Currently, there are many excellent battery electric vehicles available for consumers to purchase. These vehicles are ideal for many people, and we believe their appeal will grow over time. The reality, however, is that electric vehicle demand today is not keeping up with the large influx of BEVs arriving at our dealerships prompted by the current regulations. BEVs are stacking up on our lots.

Last year, there was a lot of hope and hype about EVs. Early adopters formed an initial line and were ready to buy these vehicles as soon as we had them to sell. But that enthusiasm has stalled. Today, the supply of unsold BEVs is surging, as they are not selling nearly as fast as they are arriving at our dealerships -- even with deep price cuts, manufacturer incentives, and generous government incentives.

While the goals of the regulations are admirable, they require consumer acceptance to become a reality. With each passing day, it becomes more apparent that this attempted electric vehicle mandate is unrealistic based on current and forecasted customer demand. Already, electric vehicles are stacking up on our lots which is our best indicator of customer demand in the marketplace.

Mr. President, no government agency, no think tank, and no polling firm knows more about the automobile customer than us. We talk to customers every day. As retail automotive dealerships, we are agnostic as to what we sell. Our business is to provide customers with vehicles that meet the needs of their budgets and lifestyles.

Some customers are in the market for electric vehicles, and we are thrilled to sell them. But the majority of customers are simply not ready to make the change. They are concerned about BEVs being unaffordable. Many do not have garages for home charging or easy access to public charging stations. Customers are also concerned about the loss of driving range in cold or hot weather. Some have long daily commutes and don’t have the extra time to charge the battery. Truck buyers are especially put off by the dramatic loss of range when towing. Today’s current technology is not adequate to support the needs of the majority of our consumers.

Many of these challenges can and will be addressed by our manufacturers, but many of these challenges are outside of their control. Reliable charging networks, electric grid stability, sourcing of materials, and many other issues need time to resolve. And finally, many people just want to make their own choice about what vehicle is right for them.

Mr. President, it is time to tap the brakes on the unrealistic government electric vehicle mandate. Allow time for the battery technology to advance. Allow time to make BEVs more affordable. Allow time to develop domestic sources for the minerals to make batteries. Allow time for the charging infrastructure to be built and prove reliable. And most of all, allow time for the American consumer to get comfortable with the technology and make the choice to buy an electric vehicle.

Sincerely,
Supporting Dealerships

early wrote:

"We are the voice of the customer"

-Guys marking up vehicles $10k over the msrp for the last 3 years

We are the middle men!

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Last2Stroke 11/30/2023 4:01pm
11/30/2023 4:01pm
LungButter wrote:
Pretty lame that it fried in one ride for sure, that would NEVER happen on an ICE bike right? Somebody should tell that to all the...

Pretty lame that it fried in one ride for sure, that would NEVER happen on an ICE bike right?

Somebody should tell that to all the dudes who had cranks go out on Austrian 125s last year with less than 5 hours on their bikes.....

crt32 wrote:

You can change a crank on your workbench, not much can be done on E-bike if battery or phone or other electrical issues happen. 

A lot can be done if the have the right skills!

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Magoofan 11/30/2023 4:12pm
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Magoofan wrote:
Not to mention, there is no "frame".   It's essentially a battery with a swingarm and forks mounted to it. You crack or damage that box (for...

Not to mention, there is no "frame".   It's essentially a battery with a swingarm and forks mounted to it.

You crack or damage that box (for lack of a better description) casing it or the errant rock and you're fawked...

RACING wrote:

That recently posted cracked case with the linkage hanging underneath was pretty impressive, disaster style...

Where was that...I missed it.  Evil

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Magoofan 11/30/2023 4:15pm
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Dirty Points wrote:

Magoofan seems a fine dude, just old and grumpy.

Ha!   I don't get the "grumpy" thing.   If you read my posts, I'm laughing 95% of the time on this board. 

...and not that old....  yet. Whistling

 

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Magoofan 11/30/2023 4:29pm
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MxAddic wrote:

Actually I find him not to lack empathy, a common characteristic shortcoming of some of the more active posters here.

Thanks man for recognizing that.      Just because I don't care for the product doesn't mean I want to see people have issues or get burned.     I had to go back and see what you were responding to because there are a few members who I scroll right past without reading.    Wet Blanket being one of them. 

 

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Magoofan wrote:
Not to mention, there is no "frame".   It's essentially a battery with a swingarm and forks mounted to it. You crack or damage that box (for...

Not to mention, there is no "frame".   It's essentially a battery with a swingarm and forks mounted to it.

You crack or damage that box (for lack of a better description) casing it or the errant rock and you're fawked...

RACING wrote:

That recently posted cracked case with the linkage hanging underneath was pretty impressive, disaster style...

Magoofan wrote:
Where was that...I missed it.  

Where was that...I missed it.  Evil

Picture.

https://p.vitalmx.com/styles/s1200/s3/photos/inline/basic/IMG_0559.png?…

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Magoofan 11/30/2023 4:35pm
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RACING wrote:

That recently posted cracked case with the linkage hanging underneath was pretty impressive, disaster style...

Magoofan wrote:
Where was that...I missed it.  

Where was that...I missed it.  Evil

-MAVERICK- wrote:
Picture. https://p.vitalmx.com/styles/s1200/s3/photos/inline/basic/IMG_0559.png?VersionId=9pmVRoFchx7RiWiv9H9d_hftW63Mlv4f&itok=LYxbsoM4

Picture.

https://p.vitalmx.com/styles/s1200/s3/photos/inline/basic/IMG_0559.png?…

Ouch.....that ain't good.    

I'll say it again....I long term, no-holds-barred test by an objective source will reveal much about the product. 

 

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Last2Stroke 11/30/2023 4:41pm
11/30/2023 4:41pm Edited Date/Time 11/30/2023 4:41pm
soggy wrote:

I would bet dollars to donuts stark takes care of this MxDick. 

MxAddic wrote:

Maybe they can overnight him a new bike. DTC, FTW!

The real Sasquatch wrote:
Do You think that the entire bike is junk? From some melted connectors? While yes it could have been serious and started a fire. It also...

Do You think that the entire bike is junk? From some melted connectors? While yes it could have been serious and started a fire. It also might be isolated to a small section of a wire harness and could have been a loose pin in the plug that  caused an arc and heat as a result.  I have not slept much the past few days, almost no sleep last night so I am a little loopy. And not awake enough to look and see if Stark as a diagram showing what those wires go to. Hopefully the damage is very isolated. 

 

Bummer to see some people excited and celebrating a fellow rider having issues with their bike. 

 

At least it is a real issue  and not some delusion or made up conspiracy thing being talked about now.   How about that Gasgas that blew the head apart? Crazy to see a 2 stroke that is normally reliable blow itself apart to that degree. $4K to fix a blown up 2 stroke. That was crazy to see. Glad he did not get hurt with it blowing up in the air like that.    

 

I've seen crimping connectors fail like this before, through either a bad crimp, pin not fully inserted into connector, or a short downstream causing excessive current flow through the connector.

It looks like the connector behind the front number plate..

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The only thing in that area that would normally draw any current would be the wireless charger for the phone.

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MxAddic 11/30/2023 4:43pm
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The real Sasquatch wrote:
Do You think that the entire bike is junk? From some melted connectors? While yes it could have been serious and started a fire. It also...

Do You think that the entire bike is junk? From some melted connectors? While yes it could have been serious and started a fire. It also might be isolated to a small section of a wire harness and could have been a loose pin in the plug that  caused an arc and heat as a result.  I have not slept much the past few days, almost no sleep last night so I am a little loopy. And not awake enough to look and see if Stark as a diagram showing what those wires go to. Hopefully the damage is very isolated. 

 

Bummer to see some people excited and celebrating a fellow rider having issues with their bike. 

 

At least it is a real issue  and not some delusion or made up conspiracy thing being talked about now.   How about that Gasgas that blew the head apart? Crazy to see a 2 stroke that is normally reliable blow itself apart to that degree. $4K to fix a blown up 2 stroke. That was crazy to see. Glad he did not get hurt with it blowing up in the air like that.    

 

To me it looks like something shorted and used the connector as a fuse but I am not an expert.

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LungButter wrote:

What begins?  Dirt bikes have been breaking down for 100 years....

See "Grenaded GasGas 2 stroke" thread for another example.

@LungButter, you're pretty active in these Stark threads. 

Just curious when does your Varg arrive, and what type of riding do you do with that bike in your profile pic?

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Last2Stroke 11/30/2023 5:04pm
11/30/2023 5:04pm
Magoofan wrote:
More bad news.... Consumer Reports: Electric Vehicles Have 80% More Problems than Gas-Powered Cars....   https://apnews.com/article/electric-vehicles-consumer-reports-gasoline-vehicles-charging-eed9c3b8d86c1f7708b7c6e2d4dbf55e    

More bad news....Dry

Consumer Reports: Electric Vehicles Have 80% More Problems than Gas-Powered Cars....

 

https://apnews.com/article/electric-vehicles-consumer-reports-gasoline-…

 

Tesla's are as reliable as Chev's, but more reliable than GM's, no one beats Toyota...

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Magoofan wrote:
More bad news.... Consumer Reports: Electric Vehicles Have 80% More Problems than Gas-Powered Cars....   https://apnews.com/article/electric-vehicles-consumer-reports-gasoline-vehicles-charging-eed9c3b8d86c1f7708b7c6e2d4dbf55e    

More bad news....Dry

Consumer Reports: Electric Vehicles Have 80% More Problems than Gas-Powered Cars....

 

https://apnews.com/article/electric-vehicles-consumer-reports-gasoline-…

 

Check this out:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/driving.ca/column/lorraine/ontario-man-quo…

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Magoofan wrote:
More bad news.... Consumer Reports: Electric Vehicles Have 80% More Problems than Gas-Powered Cars....   https://apnews.com/article/electric-vehicles-consumer-reports-gasoline-vehicles-charging-eed9c3b8d86c1f7708b7c6e2d4dbf55e    

More bad news....Dry

Consumer Reports: Electric Vehicles Have 80% More Problems than Gas-Powered Cars....

 

https://apnews.com/article/electric-vehicles-consumer-reports-gasoline-…

 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Check this out:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/driving.ca/column/lorraine/ontario-man-quo…

Holy shit.         

....and Commiefornia is going to ban sales of new ICE vehicles in 2035?   The majority of      All part of the plan to get people to live in their 15 minute cities and ride public transportation.   

 

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MxAddic 11/30/2023 5:27pm
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-MAVERICK- wrote:

Check this out:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/driving.ca/column/lorraine/ontario-man-quo…

Part of the marketing strategy of EV's is for the rest of the vehicle to last just long enough for a battery to run out. The cost of battery replacement being prohibitive to time/market value allowing for the sale of a new unit as replacement. It surely has to effect used values as market saturation becomes an issue.

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Beagle 12/1/2023 12:32am
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Don't give a shit about cars, EV or ICE, though it's nice to see you quote a reliable source.

For more context here are some more infos from the article you quoted and CR article itself available here https://www.consumerreports.org/media-room/press-releases/2023/11/elect…

Take this coming from the guy leading the study:

“This story is really one of growing pains,” said Jake Fisher, senior director of auto testing at Consumer Reports. “It’s a story of just working out the bugs and the kinks of new technology.” 

This is clearly backed up by the difference in reliability between ICE and EV fast diminishing from 80% down to 21% for 2023 model year.

From CR study:

"Tesla Motors, the market leader in EV sales, continues to have issues with body hardware, paint and trim, and climate system on its models, but are not as problematic for motor, charging, and battery. Some EV models from other manufacturers had fewer reported problems related to build quality, but higher rates of powertrain, battery and charging issues. This suggests that legacy automakers need more time to work out the kinks under the hood of their EVs, while Tesla faces above the hood issues."

I have no love lost for Tesla but it's an experienced manufacturer of EV, as a matter of fact, Tesla are middle of the pack in reliability, ranking 14th out of 30, ahead of Jeep, Volkswagen, Nissan, Audi, Mercedes and Chrysler to name a few.

In fact Tesla are the second most reliable american brand (behind Buick in 12th).

Not that this has anything to do with dirtbikes or Stark reliability, so Maverick, how about opening an electric cars category for Magoo who seems so passionate about it?

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Ouch.....that ain't good.    

I'll say it again....I long term, no-holds-barred test by an objective source will reveal much about the product. 

 

And that would be in your opinion who?  If you say MXA…

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MxAddic 12/1/2023 6:42am
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Last2Stroke wrote:
Tesla's are as reliable as Chev's, but more reliable than GM's, no one beats Toyota...

Tesla's are as reliable as Chev's, but more reliable than GM's, no one beats Toyota...

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BMW's are reliability nightmares. I wouldn't put much faith in this survey.

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