Does WSX stay or go ?

11/28/2023 9:29am
Am I missing it, or does there seem to be some sort of media blackout on the Aus WSX round? I don't see any pods on...

Am I missing it, or does there seem to be some sort of media blackout on the Aus WSX round? I don't see any pods on Vital, Pulp, or Swap? Seems like a big void this week after what is essentially the last race of the year, regardless of the lack of star power in it?

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https://www.vitalmx.com/videos/member/video-highlights-2023-sxgp-australia-wsx-class

I was referring to podcasts, I love to listen at the gym or in my truck. Kinda old guy stuff, had to go back to music this week.

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11/28/2023 9:31am
Am I missing it, or does there seem to be some sort of media blackout on the Aus WSX round? I don't see any pods on...

Am I missing it, or does there seem to be some sort of media blackout on the Aus WSX round? I don't see any pods on Vital, Pulp, or Swap? Seems like a big void this week after what is essentially the last race of the year, regardless of the lack of star power in it?

I think Lewis got torched for his honest reporting of the Abu Dhabi round. 

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11/28/2023 9:34am
Am I missing it, or does there seem to be some sort of media blackout on the Aus WSX round? I don't see any pods on...

Am I missing it, or does there seem to be some sort of media blackout on the Aus WSX round? I don't see any pods on Vital, Pulp, or Swap? Seems like a big void this week after what is essentially the last race of the year, regardless of the lack of star power in it?

-MAVERICK- wrote:
https://www.vitalmx.com/videos/member/video-highlights-2023-sxgp-australia-wsx-class
I was referring to podcasts, I love to listen at the gym or in my truck. Kinda old guy stuff, had to go back to music...

I was referring to podcasts, I love to listen at the gym or in my truck. Kinda old guy stuff, had to go back to music this week.

Probably more to do with people travelling etc ,  long flight back form australia , 

11/28/2023 9:34am Edited Date/Time 11/28/2023 9:35am
Am I missing it, or does there seem to be some sort of media blackout on the Aus WSX round? I don't see any pods on...

Am I missing it, or does there seem to be some sort of media blackout on the Aus WSX round? I don't see any pods on Vital, Pulp, or Swap? Seems like a big void this week after what is essentially the last race of the year, regardless of the lack of star power in it?

early wrote:

I think Lewis got torched for his honest reporting of the Abu Dhabi round. 

Maybe it's my inner conspiracy theorist and the Feld/FIM SMX/WSX drama?

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11/28/2023 9:39am
I was referring to podcasts, I love to listen at the gym or in my truck. Kinda old guy stuff, had to go back to music...

I was referring to podcasts, I love to listen at the gym or in my truck. Kinda old guy stuff, had to go back to music this week.

I haven't seen any podcast related content, but there are some written interviews. 

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I know they'll be around next year, but how many rounds is the question. 

Can we bet? I'll go with 7 announced, 4 actually happening -and not in the places initially planned.

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11/28/2023 9:45am
Am I missing it, or does there seem to be some sort of media blackout on the Aus WSX round? I don't see any pods on...

Am I missing it, or does there seem to be some sort of media blackout on the Aus WSX round? I don't see any pods on Vital, Pulp, or Swap? Seems like a big void this week after what is essentially the last race of the year, regardless of the lack of star power in it?

Could it be everything was already said, it just plain beeeeep and no one give a beeeeeep?

 

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11/28/2023 11:12am

WSX will go in only one direction, a travelling circus with some races per year with fixed rider team. Kind of like monster trucks. Only way to make some money of the low quality arenas, poor operational management and lack of production capability they seem to suffer from.

If you want to participate in the world championship league, you cant line up with mainly divison/level 3 riders and team. That ain't how it works. Now it has been tainted, and sponsors and other dont want to be associated with b-level stuff and shaky owner situation. Not to mention the low quality footprint it seems to generate whereever it goes 

If they can't be on pair with MXGP, AMA nationals or SX, they wont be able to get the world championship lable.

FIM is looking pretty poor for partnering with them and my guess is that they are out in a year or two.

They had one chance, and they did not get it right.

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11/28/2023 11:29am Edited Date/Time 11/28/2023 11:31am
aees wrote:
WSX will go in only one direction, a travelling circus with some races per year with fixed rider team. Kind of like monster trucks. Only way...

WSX will go in only one direction, a travelling circus with some races per year with fixed rider team. Kind of like monster trucks. Only way to make some money of the low quality arenas, poor operational management and lack of production capability they seem to suffer from.

If you want to participate in the world championship league, you cant line up with mainly divison/level 3 riders and team. That ain't how it works. Now it has been tainted, and sponsors and other dont want to be associated with b-level stuff and shaky owner situation. Not to mention the low quality footprint it seems to generate whereever it goes 

If they can't be on pair with MXGP, AMA nationals or SX, they wont be able to get the world championship lable.

FIM is looking pretty poor for partnering with them and my guess is that they are out in a year or two.

They had one chance, and they did not get it right.

That's one of the best comparisons I've seen....Monster trucks.      Purely for entertainment that nobody takes seriously.

 

All solid/valid points in your post. Cool

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11/28/2023 12:22pm

I liked the one that I watched, but I think they need to really market it to elite riders on the tail end of their careers who have some brand equity. They aren't going to get the Jett's and Chases, but as far as selling tickets and expanding markets, you don't necessarily need them (or maybe if you can get them to come in for a cameo appearance here and there.) I like the idea of elite guys being able to extend their career a bit and be ambassadors for the sport without watching them end cold turkey or get pushed further down in AMA SX. Like a 2016 Chad Reed or Marv right now. 

I know that's not what the promoters wanted, but I think it could be the niche for that series. Or they could "SMX" the tracks a little and attract some MXGP talent other than French dudes?

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11/28/2023 12:23pm
CPan wrote:

Do we really need another WSX love hate thread? 

Magoofan wrote:
Hate... [img]https://c.tenor.com/RxC6vUOIlO4AAAAd/tenor.gif[/img]

Hate...

I hate you, you hate me
We're a Vital family
With a great big slug
And a kick from me to you
Won't you say you hate me too?
 
I hate you, you hate me
We're not best friends like friends should be
With a great big slug
And a kick from me to you
Won't you say you hate me too?
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11/28/2023 12:37pm
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You say 'From the F1 World ' like that is a good thing. They will struggle for riders, a lot of guys committed and got burned...

You say 'From the F1 World ' like that is a good thing.

They will struggle for riders, a lot of guys committed and got burned bad this year, they wont be fooled again. 

 

McG194 wrote:
It's not a good thing, it's a great thing.    My prediction is there will be changes in the tv package to make most of Vital...

It's not a good thing, it's a great thing. 

 

My prediction is there will be changes in the tv package to make most of Vital a lot happier to watch it. 

People "From the F1 world" tried to get into the European Rallycross when FIA created the "WORLD RALLYCROSS". Tracks and promoters (Hockenheim, Barcelona, Silverstone, COTA, SPa, Instambul, Italy...not to mention all the manufacturers that joined the hype) but after 2 years, seeing there was no actual RoI, they all started to leave, leaving the championship on the grownd without basically nothing. They changed everything to appeal to these big money fellas, lost the likes of the actual fan base,  and left. The championship is in such a mess right now, iwth electric cars "because the manufacturers wanted that" (but they left), the traditional tracks (literally the place where the sport BEGAN) are only now starting to come back, but the public is not happy with the "F1 world" product and are not attending... I dont think "F1 people" is the right call for other series.
Anyway... I didnt watched WSX after all... It doesnt look cool IMO. Hope they find a way to become an awesome thing, but right now its just a bad copy of the american series... Its NOT going anywhere with just a copy

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11/28/2023 1:34pm
aees wrote:
WSX will go in only one direction, a travelling circus with some races per year with fixed rider team. Kind of like monster trucks. Only way...

WSX will go in only one direction, a travelling circus with some races per year with fixed rider team. Kind of like monster trucks. Only way to make some money of the low quality arenas, poor operational management and lack of production capability they seem to suffer from.

If you want to participate in the world championship league, you cant line up with mainly divison/level 3 riders and team. That ain't how it works. Now it has been tainted, and sponsors and other dont want to be associated with b-level stuff and shaky owner situation. Not to mention the low quality footprint it seems to generate whereever it goes 

If they can't be on pair with MXGP, AMA nationals or SX, they wont be able to get the world championship lable.

FIM is looking pretty poor for partnering with them and my guess is that they are out in a year or two.

They had one chance, and they did not get it right.

Good grief, how different is that from the current MXGP series. Women in third world countries have scored points in MX2, they haven't been able to in WSX....yet.

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I am all for it and hope it continues and prospers for the organizers, I for one love more racing to watch at the quietest time of the year. 

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aees wrote:
WSX will go in only one direction, a travelling circus with some races per year with fixed rider team. Kind of like monster trucks. Only way...

WSX will go in only one direction, a travelling circus with some races per year with fixed rider team. Kind of like monster trucks. Only way to make some money of the low quality arenas, poor operational management and lack of production capability they seem to suffer from.

If you want to participate in the world championship league, you cant line up with mainly divison/level 3 riders and team. That ain't how it works. Now it has been tainted, and sponsors and other dont want to be associated with b-level stuff and shaky owner situation. Not to mention the low quality footprint it seems to generate whereever it goes 

If they can't be on pair with MXGP, AMA nationals or SX, they wont be able to get the world championship lable.

FIM is looking pretty poor for partnering with them and my guess is that they are out in a year or two.

They had one chance, and they did not get it right.

Spoonguy wrote:
Good grief, how different is that from the current MXGP series. Women in third world countries have scored points in MX2, they haven't been able to...

Good grief, how different is that from the current MXGP series. Women in third world countries have scored points in MX2, they haven't been able to in WSX....yet.

That's like saying the KTM Junior challenge makes AMA SX look like a joke....

MXGP is mainly MXGP and MX2. Only ones running all ~20 races.

The EMX 2T, 125, 250, Ebikes, Women. They are all considered support classes.

11/28/2023 2:23pm

I don't think it's a matter of if, but when, WSX folds.

I'm more curious to see if SMX and all that purse money continues on once the threat of WSX is vanquished. "Gee guys, the money in the new TV contract just wasn't there this time..." 

 

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philG wrote:
You say 'From the F1 World ' like that is a good thing. They will struggle for riders, a lot of guys committed and got burned...

You say 'From the F1 World ' like that is a good thing.

They will struggle for riders, a lot of guys committed and got burned bad this year, they wont be fooled again. 

 

McG194 wrote:
It's not a good thing, it's a great thing.    My prediction is there will be changes in the tv package to make most of Vital...

It's not a good thing, it's a great thing. 

 

My prediction is there will be changes in the tv package to make most of Vital a lot happier to watch it. 

arebnac wrote:
People "From the F1 world" tried to get into the European Rallycross when FIA created the "WORLD RALLYCROSS". Tracks and promoters (Hockenheim, Barcelona, Silverstone, COTA, SPa...

People "From the F1 world" tried to get into the European Rallycross when FIA created the "WORLD RALLYCROSS". Tracks and promoters (Hockenheim, Barcelona, Silverstone, COTA, SPa, Instambul, Italy...not to mention all the manufacturers that joined the hype) but after 2 years, seeing there was no actual RoI, they all started to leave, leaving the championship on the grownd without basically nothing. They changed everything to appeal to these big money fellas, lost the likes of the actual fan base,  and left. The championship is in such a mess right now, iwth electric cars "because the manufacturers wanted that" (but they left), the traditional tracks (literally the place where the sport BEGAN) are only now starting to come back, but the public is not happy with the "F1 world" product and are not attending... I dont think "F1 people" is the right call for other series.
Anyway... I didnt watched WSX after all... It doesnt look cool IMO. Hope they find a way to become an awesome thing, but right now its just a bad copy of the american series... Its NOT going anywhere with just a copy

Rally Cross was huge again, until recently, when people , like you say, 'smelled the money'  and destroyed it all. 

Now its a fucking EV pony show, and nobody cares, let alone the manufacturers. 

The sport grew off its own back, had a great set of venues, and some awesome racing as a result, with some great cars . 

And now they are shipping cars to race round a fucking car park in Hong Kong . 

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A lot of top 450 riders are on the back end of their career and a lot of new kids moving up soon.. there's only so many rides available.  I think WSX allows top athletes to pursue a longer career, make a bit more money and a chance to travel a little doing what they love with a little less pressure. 

but also.. i see more younger kids who hadn't got a factory ride in america or younger ones who need the seat time racing also doing the series. 

In no way do i see it passing AMA.. AMA is the top step., overall i see it being a good thing all round and hope to see more riders race a little longer and more people in the industry getting the exposure they deserve.

Heck we could of seen Savatgy, Dean Wilson, Bogle and Colt on the sidelines all this year without a ride

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aees wrote:
WSX will go in only one direction, a travelling circus with some races per year with fixed rider team. Kind of like monster trucks. Only way...

WSX will go in only one direction, a travelling circus with some races per year with fixed rider team. Kind of like monster trucks. Only way to make some money of the low quality arenas, poor operational management and lack of production capability they seem to suffer from.

If you want to participate in the world championship league, you cant line up with mainly divison/level 3 riders and team. That ain't how it works. Now it has been tainted, and sponsors and other dont want to be associated with b-level stuff and shaky owner situation. Not to mention the low quality footprint it seems to generate whereever it goes 

If they can't be on pair with MXGP, AMA nationals or SX, they wont be able to get the world championship lable.

FIM is looking pretty poor for partnering with them and my guess is that they are out in a year or two.

They had one chance, and they did not get it right.

Spoonguy wrote:
Good grief, how different is that from the current MXGP series. Women in third world countries have scored points in MX2, they haven't been able to...

Good grief, how different is that from the current MXGP series. Women in third world countries have scored points in MX2, they haven't been able to in WSX....yet.

Ever actually watched MXGP?

Laughing

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Hope riders who wouldn't have better opportunities can still have this one to get paid.  It's a short career.

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11/28/2023 4:07pm

Finally, there'll be a Supercross in Lyon, France, this week-end!

It's not WSX round two, it's not thanks to Adam, and even though it's no bigger than Abu Dhabi, at least it will actually take place!

Thanks JLFO for the SX Tour final round!

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https://dailymotocross.fr/sx-tour-2023-clap-de-fin-a-lyon/

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seems like Kenny and Deano both loved it and want to come back next year. 

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I liked the one that I watched, but I think they need to really market it to elite riders on the tail end of their careers...

I liked the one that I watched, but I think they need to really market it to elite riders on the tail end of their careers who have some brand equity. They aren't going to get the Jett's and Chases, but as far as selling tickets and expanding markets, you don't necessarily need them (or maybe if you can get them to come in for a cameo appearance here and there.) I like the idea of elite guys being able to extend their career a bit and be ambassadors for the sport without watching them end cold turkey or get pushed further down in AMA SX. Like a 2016 Chad Reed or Marv right now. 

I know that's not what the promoters wanted, but I think it could be the niche for that series. Or they could "SMX" the tracks a little and attract some MXGP talent other than French dudes?

Cooper Webb was on record this year saying he wanted to do WSX but ktm wouldnt let him because they needed him to race outdoors. Maybe with the new schedule theyre going with next year where its only going to be 4-6 races in the off season after mxgp and ama motocross is over we could see more riders lining up to make some money in the off season. 
 

It definitely was a clusterfuck this year with so many rounds getting cancelled, the conflicting schedule with the established series, and having such long gaps between races, but I have to say that once all of the racing ended this year and it was the off season I started feigning for some sx action to watch. I didnt watch the earlier wsx races because I only had so much time so I watched mx instead, but once the season was over I enjoyed watching the abu dhabi round and the melbourne round. Next year if they just take what they did with those 2 rounds and add 2-4 more races to it I think it would be a success. 

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mark_swart wrote:
I liked the one that I watched, but I think they need to really market it to elite riders on the tail end of their careers...

I liked the one that I watched, but I think they need to really market it to elite riders on the tail end of their careers who have some brand equity. They aren't going to get the Jett's and Chases, but as far as selling tickets and expanding markets, you don't necessarily need them (or maybe if you can get them to come in for a cameo appearance here and there.) I like the idea of elite guys being able to extend their career a bit and be ambassadors for the sport without watching them end cold turkey or get pushed further down in AMA SX. Like a 2016 Chad Reed or Marv right now. 

I know that's not what the promoters wanted, but I think it could be the niche for that series. Or they could "SMX" the tracks a little and attract some MXGP talent other than French dudes?

Pop Shmoke wrote:
Cooper Webb was on record this year saying he wanted to do WSX but ktm wouldnt let him because they needed him to race outdoors. Maybe...

Cooper Webb was on record this year saying he wanted to do WSX but ktm wouldnt let him because they needed him to race outdoors. Maybe with the new schedule theyre going with next year where its only going to be 4-6 races in the off season after mxgp and ama motocross is over we could see more riders lining up to make some money in the off season. 
 

It definitely was a clusterfuck this year with so many rounds getting cancelled, the conflicting schedule with the established series, and having such long gaps between races, but I have to say that once all of the racing ended this year and it was the off season I started feigning for some sx action to watch. I didnt watch the earlier wsx races because I only had so much time so I watched mx instead, but once the season was over I enjoyed watching the abu dhabi round and the melbourne round. Next year if they just take what they did with those 2 rounds and add 2-4 more races to it I think it would be a success. 

Find where cooper Webb said he wanted to do WSX but ktm made him do outdoors. Bet you can’t find it. 

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mark_swart wrote:
I liked the one that I watched, but I think they need to really market it to elite riders on the tail end of their careers...

I liked the one that I watched, but I think they need to really market it to elite riders on the tail end of their careers who have some brand equity. They aren't going to get the Jett's and Chases, but as far as selling tickets and expanding markets, you don't necessarily need them (or maybe if you can get them to come in for a cameo appearance here and there.) I like the idea of elite guys being able to extend their career a bit and be ambassadors for the sport without watching them end cold turkey or get pushed further down in AMA SX. Like a 2016 Chad Reed or Marv right now. 

I know that's not what the promoters wanted, but I think it could be the niche for that series. Or they could "SMX" the tracks a little and attract some MXGP talent other than French dudes?

Pop Shmoke wrote:
Cooper Webb was on record this year saying he wanted to do WSX but ktm wouldnt let him because they needed him to race outdoors. Maybe...

Cooper Webb was on record this year saying he wanted to do WSX but ktm wouldnt let him because they needed him to race outdoors. Maybe with the new schedule theyre going with next year where its only going to be 4-6 races in the off season after mxgp and ama motocross is over we could see more riders lining up to make some money in the off season. 
 

It definitely was a clusterfuck this year with so many rounds getting cancelled, the conflicting schedule with the established series, and having such long gaps between races, but I have to say that once all of the racing ended this year and it was the off season I started feigning for some sx action to watch. I didnt watch the earlier wsx races because I only had so much time so I watched mx instead, but once the season was over I enjoyed watching the abu dhabi round and the melbourne round. Next year if they just take what they did with those 2 rounds and add 2-4 more races to it I think it would be a success. 

Find where cooper Webb said he wanted to do WSX but ktm made him do outdoors. Bet you can’t find it. 

" I was only supposed to do supercross—only. I was really, really interested in doing [FIM] World Supercross and that was something that they didn’t really want to be a part of. So that was a little bit of a hiccup in our relationship. Then, I didn’t have a decision to be able to race world supercross, so at that point I felt like I wanted to race still. I wasn’t ready to not race. So, we had kind of agreed to do the outdoors"

https://racerxonline.com/2023/09/08/the-conversation-cooper-webb

 

ill send you my pay id Smile

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Pop Shmoke wrote:
Cooper Webb was on record this year saying he wanted to do WSX but ktm wouldnt let him because they needed him to race outdoors. Maybe...

Cooper Webb was on record this year saying he wanted to do WSX but ktm wouldnt let him because they needed him to race outdoors. Maybe with the new schedule theyre going with next year where its only going to be 4-6 races in the off season after mxgp and ama motocross is over we could see more riders lining up to make some money in the off season. 
 

It definitely was a clusterfuck this year with so many rounds getting cancelled, the conflicting schedule with the established series, and having such long gaps between races, but I have to say that once all of the racing ended this year and it was the off season I started feigning for some sx action to watch. I didnt watch the earlier wsx races because I only had so much time so I watched mx instead, but once the season was over I enjoyed watching the abu dhabi round and the melbourne round. Next year if they just take what they did with those 2 rounds and add 2-4 more races to it I think it would be a success. 

Find where cooper Webb said he wanted to do WSX but ktm made him do outdoors. Bet you can’t find it. 

decano51 wrote:
" I was only supposed to do supercross—only. I was really, really interested in doing [FIM] World Supercross and that was something that they didn’t really...

" I was only supposed to do supercross—only. I was really, really interested in doing [FIM] World Supercross and that was something that they didn’t really want to be a part of. So that was a little bit of a hiccup in our relationship. Then, I didn’t have a decision to be able to race world supercross, so at that point I felt like I wanted to race still. I wasn’t ready to not race. So, we had kind of agreed to do the outdoors"

https://racerxonline.com/2023/09/08/the-conversation-cooper-webb

 

ill send you my pay id Smile

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I don't understand the hate, nobody is forcing anyone to watch it.

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WSX didn't have the money to hire both Webb and Roczen anyway. That's the minute we discovered the Mubadala bottomless pit actually had a bottom.

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Pop Shmoke wrote:
Cooper Webb was on record this year saying he wanted to do WSX but ktm wouldnt let him because they needed him to race outdoors. Maybe...

Cooper Webb was on record this year saying he wanted to do WSX but ktm wouldnt let him because they needed him to race outdoors. Maybe with the new schedule theyre going with next year where its only going to be 4-6 races in the off season after mxgp and ama motocross is over we could see more riders lining up to make some money in the off season. 
 

It definitely was a clusterfuck this year with so many rounds getting cancelled, the conflicting schedule with the established series, and having such long gaps between races, but I have to say that once all of the racing ended this year and it was the off season I started feigning for some sx action to watch. I didnt watch the earlier wsx races because I only had so much time so I watched mx instead, but once the season was over I enjoyed watching the abu dhabi round and the melbourne round. Next year if they just take what they did with those 2 rounds and add 2-4 more races to it I think it would be a success. 

Find where cooper Webb said he wanted to do WSX but ktm made him do outdoors. Bet you can’t find it. 

decano51 wrote:
" I was only supposed to do supercross—only. I was really, really interested in doing [FIM] World Supercross and that was something that they didn’t really...

" I was only supposed to do supercross—only. I was really, really interested in doing [FIM] World Supercross and that was something that they didn’t really want to be a part of. So that was a little bit of a hiccup in our relationship. Then, I didn’t have a decision to be able to race world supercross, so at that point I felt like I wanted to race still. I wasn’t ready to not race. So, we had kind of agreed to do the outdoors"

https://racerxonline.com/2023/09/08/the-conversation-cooper-webb

 

ill send you my pay id Smile

I was definitely wrong, lol. You checkmated me. Touché. 

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65 and 85 riders turned up from Europe and the USA for the final rd, so many ama pros have shown an interest in next season  , especially a few that would love to compete in there own country 

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