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I don’t HATE Webb. I just don’t think he trains as hard OFF the bike as the other top guys. He’s a super smart and crafty rider, but he is not great in the whoops and I don’t think that YZ allows him to corner the way his KTM did. KTM’s are super light in the front compared to the YZ, Kawi and Honda.
Coop trains extremely hard off the bike, he’s just naturally a short, chunky dude. Have you seen how his dad is built? The dude is going to be fat as fuck after retirement if he doesn’t stay on top of his fitness.
That’s what is so interesting about you guys hating on him relentlessly. He’s not as gifted physically as Chase, Eli or Jett. He’s not as naturally gifted on a bike as those guys. He’s been an underdog his whole career and has exceeded all expectations. Every year he’s a factory 450 rider making millions of dollars winning races is a bonus. He was in AC’s shadow his whole amateur career and look at the record books now.
Can you honestly say you expected him to get a 450SX title? Give the man some damn respect.
He wasn’t chubby when he was winning titles with Aldon. Then in 2022 he came in to the season fat and nowhere near the front. Mid season realizes he needed to go back to Aldon.
And yes, after seeing him destroy everyone in 2015-2016 in the West and then the outdoor title, I did expect to see him up front. He’s never looked as good as he did in 2019. He came in to that season FULL of confidence. I think the latter years the pressure has gotten to him. Not necessarily at one particular race, but throughout the SX season.
Honestly answer this question. When have you ever seen a recent 450SX champ THIS far off the pace? He has not looked good on the YZ at all. 5 gate drops and hasn’t been anywhere near the leaders.
Being 'crafty' was enough in the past, but it's nowhere near enough against Jett. Add to this the fact that he's out of shape (again) and now 28-years-old. Compared to Jett he looks fat, slow and old, well, not just 'looks' but is.
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Of course he could have won the last supercross championship and you could say he was in 'contention' due to the points gap through most of the season, but the stats on how many wins it usually takes to win an SX championship would say otherwise. Anderson won with 4, but you could argue he was mostly taking podiums to manage the championship, and Dungey won with 3 during one of Tomac's weirdo years. Apart from these, the average amount of wins needed since 2011 is 7.
2011. RV. Six wins.
2012. RV. 9 wins.
2013. RV. 10 wins.
2014. RV. 7 wins.
2015. Dunge. 8 wins.
2016. Dunge. 9 wins.
2017. Dunge. 3 wins.
2018. Anderson. 4 wins.
2019. Webb. 7 wins.
2020. Tomac. 7 wins.
2021. Webb. 8 wins.
2022. Tomac. 7 wins.
2023. Sexton. 6 wins.
LMAO! Jett has ZERO 450SX wins!
Do you work for the firm doing Webb's PR?
Most of what you say is either false or the kind of stuff Webb constantly says as part of his own narrative. I've already said this earlier in the thread but Webb was never a 'chunky dude' until recently. Look at pics of him as a kid, teenager, on 250s and most of his 450 career he's not been fat. He's only been fat the last 3 or so years when he's not working with Aldon. I disagree he's been an underdog his whole career. He was a top amateur and apart from having to go with Star when he first went pro, he has always had top level rides. Sure, he got beaten by AC but so did everyone. Finally comparing AC against Webb is pretty unfair considering AC has been battling physical problems which seriously curtail what he can do.
None of this is to say Webb is not an amazing rider. He's in the elite of the elite and world class. But there are people ahead of him who are even better.
I didn’t say he was going to, I said he’s in a good position to do it.
I’m talking in a season bud. 1 race means nothing if you can’t be in it the whole series. He is always right there throughout a season.
As someone mentioned earlier, last SX season he was in 2nd place in the points and gaining steam until he took the shot to his head.
OP, and so many others here, are just pissed because they never had any "best days".
Nah I'm not buying that as an excuse.The reason why???
All the ama guys are there for the same reason. Jo, Kenny and the Lawrence's. None of them are going to take huge risks for a meaningless off season race. They all have the same to gain or lose. So that puts them all back on an even playing field and coop is still getting waxed.
Also I've herd the excuse webb is on a new bike.
But he has prob had more time on that bike then the Lawrence's have on a 450 at sx. It's literally the Lawrence's debut 450 sx races. So come a1 those boys could potentially learn more a lot then webb. Another nonsense excuse.
Lol! He wasn’t 2nd in points due to his speed. He was second due to Chase crashing at almost every round and Eli crashing at round 4. That is the ONLY reason Webb was up there. He’s been on this YZ longer that anyone racing SX this weekend and he’s WAY off the pace. Again, name any other recent SX champ that switched teams and is nowhere near the front in 8 gate drops? The answer is none.
Yaa I thought Webb was lookin a lil thickkk too lol
Well he’s got a lot of ground to make up. KTM released him from his contract back in early July; that was over four months ago. He raced most of SX and the first four rounds of MX so he was race fit at the time.
Didn't do much at SMX and now two months later is still, in relative terms, a long way back.
Is it time for Webb and Star to hit the panic button?
How many sx wins did Jeremy have at 20 years old?
If ya not going 1-1, retire….
Exactly.
Times have changed. Look at eli for instance.
His sx career hasn't exactly been spectacular. He has 2 titles. But chips away and consistently wins 5-8 races every year but has raced longer then the generations before him. Now he has 50+ wins and isn't that far off. So using eli as the yard stick. A modern rider only has to be slightly better then eli and they will eventually pass McGrath.
Its going to take is 6-7 wins a year for 10-12 seasons. If tomac was winning 450sx races at 20-23 he would be right there in terms of wins with the king. So I don't think it's that unfathomable.
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Seems he is just same speed with his new Star Yamaha as was with KTM. 5min short mains he was 20 sec back so that will be lap down on full main event. I dont see new Yamaha working that great at whoops so where better speed would come as his KTM wasnt too bad turning. His crafty days he used to holeshot race and keep pack behind on tight arena cross track as Roger asked series to cut woops down. Now track are more open and whoops are back in game so with starting 5-6 for Webb isnt working.
Time for Webb to start looking for some fast food jobs. He'll have more success flipping burgers than keeping up with these boys.
Besides it looks like that's his diet now days anyways. Win/win situation for Cooper "Never Sniff a Championship again" Webb.
Obviously this one off race in Paris doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme, and he’s got time to get faster and in better shape…however, that bike doesn’t look good at all to me, seems like it’s riding him compared to the other 3 he’s racing, who look light as a feather on their setups. He never looked good on the yz450 in the past, some peoples style just works better on certain manufacturers. Webbs strength has been his ability to cut down in corners and get faster as the SX track breaks down. Idk I have my doubts we’re going to see him at that 2021 level again on a blue bike.
That Webb is such a slob
Clueless you say well we will see how next year pans out I think you will be eating your words making you the clueless one. #motogenius
Does the same logic apply to Dangerboy? Seems half of it does anyway.
Ok, ok…THIS is the single most ignorant post on the board today!
What a shitty take and comment.
Yep thanks for confirming my response was correct lol.
You only would have been correct if he won the title. You said "pounce and win the title".
Wasn't everyone saying he was washed up last year too? Or during the off season between his Yamaha KTM rides? Fickle bunch.....
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