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11/3/2023 9:58pm
early wrote:
Sand and hard conditions could push the battery pretty hard, hope their thermal or discharge monitoring is up to the task to maintain battery health.  Correct...

Sand and hard conditions could push the battery pretty hard, hope their thermal or discharge monitoring is up to the task to maintain battery health. 

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think I've read anything about a discharge setting or nominal voltage storage charge setting on the Stark charger. Could be useful for those of us that live in cold climates and are likely to park the bike for a few months a year.

djr wrote:
You mention what to do if parking the bike for a few months if you live in a cold climate, (it's a good question as the...

You mention what to do if parking the bike for a few months if you live in a cold climate,

(it's a good question as the replacement battery is so expensive)-

my first thought was to remove the battery and store it in your house at room temperature to help preserve the battery 

BUT then I thought about all those news stories I have seen where the removable lithium batteries used in electric scooters etc. have caught fire in people's homes when on charge, or just stored.

SO , if I had one of these in a cold climate, I think I would find an old steel Safe or similar Fireproof cupboard to keep the battery in while stored  indoors. ( and only charge it while someone is awake in the house!)

early wrote:
Many battery fires are caused by either modified batteries or plugging in random chargers that "fit". And fires from batteries that are not under charge or...

Many battery fires are caused by either modified batteries or plugging in random chargers that "fit". And fires from batteries that are not under charge or use are extremely rare. I don't know if the Stark has a main breaker/disconnect, but disconnecting the battery from the rest of the electronics would be a good safety feature since the battery isn't easily removable to prevent a short.

Lithium batteries don't like to be stored at full voltage, they like to be stored at nominal voltage, generally 3.7v per cell. I don't know how the balancing system on the Stark is so I don't know if you just charge it to 50% how each cell is balanced. Generally chargers will balance by each series of cells, not individual cells, if at all. 

At $7k a battery pack this is something people need to be aware of.

Battery management should balance each cell. You can’t balance them in series because unmatched impedance will result in them all settling at different voltages. If you over discharge or over charge a cell repeatedly you will get little tendrils (called dendrites) of copper or lithium forming in the battery and cause internal shorts.  

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11/4/2023 8:02am
MxAddic wrote:

Question for all the vargettes. What happens when you blow a tranny?

https://www.facebook.com/reel/265886932882475

Well if they are riding a Varg, there is no tranny.  So I guess it means that they just listened to one of Your stories about why You DNFed the LL qualifier at Highpoint? The race after getting a podium in a stacked class of 6 racers. 

 

Please go to that dealer that has the Varg, and ask for a demo so You can try one out. And find something real to dislike about them.

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11/4/2023 8:26am Edited Date/Time 11/4/2023 9:41am
MxAddic wrote:

Question for all the vargettes. What happens when you blow a tranny?

https://www.facebook.com/reel/265886932882475

Well if they are riding a Varg, there is no tranny.  So I guess it means that they just listened to one of Your stories about...

Well if they are riding a Varg, there is no tranny.  So I guess it means that they just listened to one of Your stories about why You DNFed the LL qualifier at Highpoint? The race after getting a podium in a stacked class of 6 racers. 

 

Please go to that dealer that has the Varg, and ask for a demo so You can try one out. And find something real to dislike about them.

It was a regional not that you know the difference. It wasn't because I blew a tranny either. LMFAO!

If you must know it was because I loaded up my shit and headed home. It was the last moto out 3,  2 classes and they where running until dark. I didn't have the results the first two moto's to make it worth sticking around. I was also beat after 3 days of moto. Do I get any credit for finishing all 3 in the other class? Maybe you would like to compare your first place trophies to mine seeing you think I suck so bad? I will wait for the picture of you and them together.

Any other personal info you need to know about.

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11/4/2023 8:40am

Last week I got to see 2 Vargs up close at Pala. Badass machines! Two guys similar to my age and speed put 3, 15 to 20 ish minute motos and one 10 minute moto and had about 38% battery life left. He was running 48 hp and said it was all he needed and it felt like his 350 in comparison. He plugged up to a track outlet before his last moto and his buddy had a generator that he was plugged in to. 

My plan is to go through one more ICE bike then give the Varg a shot. Currently my only concern is Stark turning into the modern day Alta. Don’t want to end up with a bike that was bought for longevity but no support system for it. 
 

The one for sale near me locally is very enticing however…

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11/4/2023 9:52am
MxAddic wrote:

Question for all the vargettes. What happens when you blow a tranny?

https://www.facebook.com/reel/265886932882475

Well if they are riding a Varg, there is no tranny.  So I guess it means that they just listened to one of Your stories about...

Well if they are riding a Varg, there is no tranny.  So I guess it means that they just listened to one of Your stories about why You DNFed the LL qualifier at Highpoint? The race after getting a podium in a stacked class of 6 racers. 

 

Please go to that dealer that has the Varg, and ask for a demo so You can try one out. And find something real to dislike about them.

MxAddic wrote:
It was a regional not that you know the difference. It wasn't because I blew a tranny either. LMFAO! If you must know it was because...

It was a regional not that you know the difference. It wasn't because I blew a tranny either. LMFAO!

If you must know it was because I loaded up my shit and headed home. It was the last moto out 3,  2 classes and they where running until dark. I didn't have the results the first two moto's to make it worth sticking around. I was also beat after 3 days of moto. Do I get any credit for finishing all 3 in the other class? Maybe you would like to compare your first place trophies to mine seeing you think I suck so bad? I will wait for the picture of you and them together.

Any other personal info you need to know about.

Its 2023 , you should be able to blow whoever you want , you do you man 

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11/4/2023 11:04am

Well, gotta admit, I did not have this on my Varg-thread-derailment bingo card. 

Reaching such great heights qualifies for some sort of modern art performance I guess.

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11/4/2023 11:07am

Its 2023 , you should be able to blow whoever you want , you do you man 

Ok you got an actual LOL from me 

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11/4/2023 11:08am
brocster wrote:
Last week I got to see 2 Vargs up close at Pala. Badass machines! Two guys similar to my age and speed put 3, 15 to...

Last week I got to see 2 Vargs up close at Pala. Badass machines! Two guys similar to my age and speed put 3, 15 to 20 ish minute motos and one 10 minute moto and had about 38% battery life left. He was running 48 hp and said it was all he needed and it felt like his 350 in comparison. He plugged up to a track outlet before his last moto and his buddy had a generator that he was plugged in to. 

My plan is to go through one more ICE bike then give the Varg a shot. Currently my only concern is Stark turning into the modern day Alta. Don’t want to end up with a bike that was bought for longevity but no support system for it. 
 

The one for sale near me locally is very enticing however…

I just got rid of my last Ossa trials bike that had this fate. It’s a bummer. 

11/4/2023 11:15am
MxAddic wrote:

Question for all the vargettes. What happens when you blow a tranny?

https://www.facebook.com/reel/265886932882475

Well if they are riding a Varg, there is no tranny.  So I guess it means that they just listened to one of Your stories about...

Well if they are riding a Varg, there is no tranny.  So I guess it means that they just listened to one of Your stories about why You DNFed the LL qualifier at Highpoint? The race after getting a podium in a stacked class of 6 racers. 

 

Please go to that dealer that has the Varg, and ask for a demo so You can try one out. And find something real to dislike about them.

MxAddic wrote:
It was a regional not that you know the difference. It wasn't because I blew a tranny either. LMFAO! If you must know it was because...

It was a regional not that you know the difference. It wasn't because I blew a tranny either. LMFAO!

If you must know it was because I loaded up my shit and headed home. It was the last moto out 3,  2 classes and they where running until dark. I didn't have the results the first two moto's to make it worth sticking around. I was also beat after 3 days of moto. Do I get any credit for finishing all 3 in the other class? Maybe you would like to compare your first place trophies to mine seeing you think I suck so bad? I will wait for the picture of you and them together.

Any other personal info you need to know about.

Relax guy. Just giving you back what You put out.  Only reasons I ever point out any lack of speed is to make the point about runtime  if You or a similar skill level rider was to ride the Varg.

  I was almost always the slowest guy of the group I rode with, and have had many injuries trying to be faster. Until I learned that I am just not built for MX. While all of my riding buddies went on to be local pros with some top 20 finishes at AMA nationals. I got stuck in the B class after hurting myself and then my shop burned to the ground along with (3) 450's all of my race photos and all but 2 trophies . The first one I got, and the most recent one at the time.  So it's not much of a collection. After that I focused on getting my foot fixed and found out that I had been racing with a broken foot for a couple years .Then developed an infection that almost took my lower leg from the surgery  . Then multiple years of surgeries and before I knew it 10 years had passed.  But I'm also not claiming to be faster than anybody . And I'm not intending to use a riders speed or lack of speed as an insult. I think back and wish that I rode slower and did not push so far past my limits every time I rode. And while my past injuries do not limit me as much as some of my other friends injuries have. I'm still paying for all of those crashes everyday.

I'm happy for you that You are able to ride and race  and eat yummy sandwiches. I just find a lot of the stuff You post to be filled with the BS You claim to be trying to prevent. And that posts like this one of mine, and many ( not all) of the stuff You post about Varg's is not truly adding beneficial information. And It sucks to have every thread about an electric MX bike turn into the same disaster.  Its not often that anybody derails a thread about a gas MX bike with EMX talk. But just about every electric thread gets the same BS.     

 

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11/4/2023 11:43am
Relax guy. Just giving you back what You put out.  Only reasons I ever point out any lack of speed is to make the point about...

Relax guy. Just giving you back what You put out.  Only reasons I ever point out any lack of speed is to make the point about runtime  if You or a similar skill level rider was to ride the Varg.

  I was almost always the slowest guy of the group I rode with, and have had many injuries trying to be faster. Until I learned that I am just not built for MX. While all of my riding buddies went on to be local pros with some top 20 finishes at AMA nationals. I got stuck in the B class after hurting myself and then my shop burned to the ground along with (3) 450's all of my race photos and all but 2 trophies . The first one I got, and the most recent one at the time.  So it's not much of a collection. After that I focused on getting my foot fixed and found out that I had been racing with a broken foot for a couple years .Then developed an infection that almost took my lower leg from the surgery  . Then multiple years of surgeries and before I knew it 10 years had passed.  But I'm also not claiming to be faster than anybody . And I'm not intending to use a riders speed or lack of speed as an insult. I think back and wish that I rode slower and did not push so far past my limits every time I rode. And while my past injuries do not limit me as much as some of my other friends injuries have. I'm still paying for all of those crashes everyday.

I'm happy for you that You are able to ride and race  and eat yummy sandwiches. I just find a lot of the stuff You post to be filled with the BS You claim to be trying to prevent. And that posts like this one of mine, and many ( not all) of the stuff You post about Varg's is not truly adding beneficial information. And It sucks to have every thread about an electric MX bike turn into the same disaster.  Its not often that anybody derails a thread about a gas MX bike with EMX talk. But just about every electric thread gets the same BS.     

 

It's all good Bro. I am no stranger to injury. Get you foot healed back up so we can all get back to doing what we love. I can understand how this bike could be very good for you. GL!

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11/4/2023 12:32pm

You know if we can learn to get along in an EMX thread on vital like I just read in the posts above, it gives me hope for world peace. 

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11/4/2023 1:09pm
You know if we can learn to get along in an EMX thread on vital like I just read in the posts above, it gives me...

You know if we can learn to get along in an EMX thread on vital like I just read in the posts above, it gives me hope for world peace. 

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11/4/2023 3:32pm

I was just wondering yesterday, how easy would it be to make it street legal? Have an extra set of wheels/tires and plastics, and it's also a daily commuter around town?

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11/4/2023 5:13pm
davis224 wrote:
I was just wondering yesterday, how easy would it be to make it street legal? Have an extra set of wheels/tires and plastics, and it's also...

I was just wondering yesterday, how easy would it be to make it street legal? Have an extra set of wheels/tires and plastics, and it's also a daily commuter around town?

I would start off  looking at  things you would to convert any other MX bike. Look into what You need to do for your state. In MA, It is very difficult to do it with any MX bike. Easier to do with an off road bike.  In MA people will sometimes have a property in another state that it is easier to get around the "close course only" that is written on most MX COA's. Then after registering and getting the  title in that state they are able to get a MA title and register in MA all legit.  I have not done it, and I've never registered a motorcycle for the street. So I'm not sure if it being electric will matter or not.  MA also has a law that allows you to register a home built motorcycle after it is inspected by the state police dept that handles that.   I hope that somebody who knows more will post .But it will most likely vary dramatically from state to state.    

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11/7/2023 1:48am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2023 5:18am

Don't feel bad, I would have deleted that shit too. It was super embarrassing. 

What’s embarrassing is according to the vitards a company producing 200 bikes a week doesn’t have a VIN over 1K in 7 months of production. Maybe Stark should be deleted.

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/moto-related/stark-varg-first-customer-r…

Turtlenecks FTW!

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11/7/2023 4:43am

@ML512, can we get an "ignore user" function on this board?  ^^^

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11/7/2023 5:31am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2023 5:39am
38special wrote:

@ML512, can we get an "ignore user" function on this board?  ^^^

Or give up on the baseless personal ad-hominem  attacks. That way you wouldn't have to listen to my BS rebuttals, look at my shit gear, worthless trophies and awesome sandwiches.

Seems like a simple solution to me but I don't think like a vitard.

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11/7/2023 5:34am
38special wrote:

@ML512, can we get an "ignore user" function on this board?  ^^^

Or just ban him. 

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11/7/2023 5:41am
38special wrote:

@ML512, can we get an "ignore user" function on this board?  ^^^

Or just ban him. 

Yes, whatever you do don't ban the ones making the attacks.

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11/7/2023 5:53am
MxAddic wrote:

Yes, whatever you do don't ban the ones making the attacks.

Lol. You invite it and bring it on yourself. There really needs to be an age limit on the Internet. After 50 your only allowed to use it to check the weather. 

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11/7/2023 6:15am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2023 6:18am
38special wrote:

@ML512, can we get an "ignore user" function on this board?  ^^^

Or just ban him. 

MxAddic wrote:

Yes, whatever you do don't ban the ones making the attacks.

Post after post after post after post in this thread... You bring it on yourself. You spend all day in this thread trying to make people feel bad about a product you will never own nor know anything about. It's a weird obsession you have. So, of course people are going to give you shit, they hope you go away. No one wants to listen to you bad mouth something over and over and over. And then you get some sort of odd remorse and delete all the weirdo shit you say. 

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11/7/2023 7:23am
Post after post after post after post in this thread... You bring it on yourself. You spend all day in this thread trying to make people...

Post after post after post after post in this thread... You bring it on yourself. You spend all day in this thread trying to make people feel bad about a product you will never own nor know anything about. It's a weird obsession you have. So, of course people are going to give you shit, they hope you go away. No one wants to listen to you bad mouth something over and over and over. And then you get some sort of odd remorse and delete all the weirdo shit you say. 

For starters I didn't delete any of the posts you claim. Second the logic you use is the same logic a wife beater uses. She deserves it.

So we are right back to personal attacks that you will continue to justify. I am not trying to make anybody feel bad. It's you who does that with your insults. If they can't handle the truth stay out of the kitchen.

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11/7/2023 7:44am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2023 7:46am
Post after post after post after post in this thread... You bring it on yourself. You spend all day in this thread trying to make people...

Post after post after post after post in this thread... You bring it on yourself. You spend all day in this thread trying to make people feel bad about a product you will never own nor know anything about. It's a weird obsession you have. So, of course people are going to give you shit, they hope you go away. No one wants to listen to you bad mouth something over and over and over. And then you get some sort of odd remorse and delete all the weirdo shit you say. 

MxAddic wrote:
For starters I didn't delete any of the posts you claim. Second the logic you use is the same logic a wife beater uses. She deserves...

For starters I didn't delete any of the posts you claim. Second the logic you use is the same logic a wife beater uses. She deserves it.

So we are right back to personal attacks that you will continue to justify. I am not trying to make anybody feel bad. It's you who does that with your insults. If they can't handle the truth stay out of the kitchen.

all of vital knows the delete and backspace keys are worn on your keyboard. 50% of the junk you post you delete in a fit of rage lol. 

ML should change your username to "deleteaddic"

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11/7/2023 7:47am
Post after post after post after post in this thread... You bring it on yourself. You spend all day in this thread trying to make people...

Post after post after post after post in this thread... You bring it on yourself. You spend all day in this thread trying to make people feel bad about a product you will never own nor know anything about. It's a weird obsession you have. So, of course people are going to give you shit, they hope you go away. No one wants to listen to you bad mouth something over and over and over. And then you get some sort of odd remorse and delete all the weirdo shit you say. 

MxAddic wrote:
For starters I didn't delete any of the posts you claim. Second the logic you use is the same logic a wife beater uses. She deserves...

For starters I didn't delete any of the posts you claim. Second the logic you use is the same logic a wife beater uses. She deserves it.

So we are right back to personal attacks that you will continue to justify. I am not trying to make anybody feel bad. It's you who does that with your insults. If they can't handle the truth stay out of the kitchen.

Yes, you did in fact delete multiple posts.

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11/7/2023 7:49am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2023 7:51am
Post after post after post after post in this thread... You bring it on yourself. You spend all day in this thread trying to make people...

Post after post after post after post in this thread... You bring it on yourself. You spend all day in this thread trying to make people feel bad about a product you will never own nor know anything about. It's a weird obsession you have. So, of course people are going to give you shit, they hope you go away. No one wants to listen to you bad mouth something over and over and over. And then you get some sort of odd remorse and delete all the weirdo shit you say. 

MxAddic wrote:
For starters I didn't delete any of the posts you claim. Second the logic you use is the same logic a wife beater uses. She deserves...

For starters I didn't delete any of the posts you claim. Second the logic you use is the same logic a wife beater uses. She deserves it.

So we are right back to personal attacks that you will continue to justify. I am not trying to make anybody feel bad. It's you who does that with your insults. If they can't handle the truth stay out of the kitchen.

38special wrote:

Yes, you did in fact delete multiple posts.

He's deleted almost 2 pages worth of weirdo posts just in this thread alone (does it on other threads too). 

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11/7/2023 7:57am

He's deleted almost 2 pages worth of weirdo posts just in this thread alone (does it on other threads too). 

Broski....come on.... MXAddic isn't the problem.  EVERYONE else is the problem.  He's also not a Vitard, just the rest of us are.

Haven't you figured this out by now?

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