New Bikes and Parts availibility

Edited Date/Time 10/7/2023 2:31am

We had a customer bring in a 23 KTM 250SX that needs a complete rebuild, bottom end and all.  We called our local dealer and was told it would be like March of 24 before the parts are scheduled to be off back order.   

Getting clutch plates for the 23 YZ450F was all but impossible to recently.

If these OEM's haven't caught up from Covid, how are they keeping the bike production numbers up but not the parts to keep them running?

Is this the new norm?  Release a new bike and then not have parts for a year or so?

 

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Just got noticed from RMC that my 23 KTM swingarm buffer & rear chain guide was now available… It was on B/O for months, luckily I found new take off”s on eBay…

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One of the reasons I bought a Beta.

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If you look at car and truck forums you will see that this is not limited to bikes. Alot of peoples cars are sitting for lack of OE parts and even aftermarket parts. 

I saw somewhere that a guy was looking for a transmission control module for an older Duramax GM truck, 07-14 model. There are none to be found and no ETA. They can be refurbished at a cost of $1200 to $1500. It isn't just new vehicles. 

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sgrimmxdad wrote:
We had a customer bring in a 23 KTM 250SX that needs a complete rebuild, bottom end and all.  We called our local dealer and was...

We had a customer bring in a 23 KTM 250SX that needs a complete rebuild, bottom end and all.  We called our local dealer and was told it would be like March of 24 before the parts are scheduled to be off back order.   

Getting clutch plates for the 23 YZ450F was all but impossible to recently.

If these OEM's haven't caught up from Covid, how are they keeping the bike production numbers up but not the parts to keep them running?

Is this the new norm?  Release a new bike and then not have parts for a year or so?

 

I mean, if I want a bike I can't/have a hard time finding parts for, I'll go buy a 30 YO roached-out smoker... and save about $500 over the cost of a new bike.

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OEM parts is an issue across many industries.  Auto, Marine, motorcycles you name it.  It’s not just parts.   I read the other day if you ordered a Yamaha outboard, 250 SHO like for tournament bass boat it was 18 month lead time.  Only way you could get one quicker was to buy a new boat that had one on the back.

This time last year couldn’t find a 2023 YZ250F to save my life, bought a Honda.

A while back I’d have blamed it on Covid.  I’d guess now it’s a slow down of economies around the world along with most large companies using a just in time manufacturing model.  It’s probably created a domino effect.  

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10/7/2023 10:49am

Exactly why im not waiting for a new kaw. I dealt with it on my 23 yz. Couldn't even get a skid plate before Daytona.

 

10/7/2023 11:06am
sgrimmxdad wrote:
We had a customer bring in a 23 KTM 250SX that needs a complete rebuild, bottom end and all.  We called our local dealer and was...

We had a customer bring in a 23 KTM 250SX that needs a complete rebuild, bottom end and all.  We called our local dealer and was told it would be like March of 24 before the parts are scheduled to be off back order.   

Getting clutch plates for the 23 YZ450F was all but impossible to recently.

If these OEM's haven't caught up from Covid, how are they keeping the bike production numbers up but not the parts to keep them running?

Is this the new norm?  Release a new bike and then not have parts for a year or so?

 

What parts do you need exactly?  I have some stuff in stock..is it a warranty item?  

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10/7/2023 12:24pm
sgrimmxdad wrote:
We had a customer bring in a 23 KTM 250SX that needs a complete rebuild, bottom end and all.  We called our local dealer and was...

We had a customer bring in a 23 KTM 250SX that needs a complete rebuild, bottom end and all.  We called our local dealer and was told it would be like March of 24 before the parts are scheduled to be off back order.   

Getting clutch plates for the 23 YZ450F was all but impossible to recently.

If these OEM's haven't caught up from Covid, how are they keeping the bike production numbers up but not the parts to keep them running?

Is this the new norm?  Release a new bike and then not have parts for a year or so?

 

Order fulfillment for production will always trump orders for service inventory. The customer gets shafted, but that's the way business works. It costs the OEM huge $$$ to shut factory lines down due to lack of parts, so when push comes to shove, they'll always prioritize their production needs over customer service requirements. 

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captmoto wrote:
If you look at car and truck forums you will see that this is not limited to bikes. Alot of peoples cars are sitting for lack...

If you look at car and truck forums you will see that this is not limited to bikes. Alot of peoples cars are sitting for lack of OE parts and even aftermarket parts. 

I saw somewhere that a guy was looking for a transmission control module for an older Duramax GM truck, 07-14 model. There are none to be found and no ETA. They can be refurbished at a cost of $1200 to $1500. It isn't just new vehicles. 

I'm waiting on a torque converter for my 16 F150

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10/7/2023 12:51pm
Sandusky26 wrote:

I'm waiting on a torque converter for my 16 F150

How long now? 

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Sandusky26 wrote:

I'm waiting on a torque converter for my 16 F150

captmoto wrote:

How long now? 

Just found out 3 days ago with no ETA.

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Sandusky26 wrote:

I'm waiting on a torque converter for my 16 F150

captmoto wrote:

How long now? 

Sandusky26 wrote:

Just found out 3 days ago with no ETA.

Call sarchione ford in alliance Ohio. See if they dont have one or cant get their hands on one. 

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10/7/2023 2:13pm

This is why I bought two 23 gas gas bikes rather than going to the new generation bikes.  We can still mostly find everything we need. A blind man could see this coming, there’s no way flipping the switch completely off in 2020 wasn’t going to have serious repercussions. 

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10/7/2023 3:41pm
sgrimmxdad wrote:
We had a customer bring in a 23 KTM 250SX that needs a complete rebuild, bottom end and all.  We called our local dealer and was...

We had a customer bring in a 23 KTM 250SX that needs a complete rebuild, bottom end and all.  We called our local dealer and was told it would be like March of 24 before the parts are scheduled to be off back order.   

Getting clutch plates for the 23 YZ450F was all but impossible to recently.

If these OEM's haven't caught up from Covid, how are they keeping the bike production numbers up but not the parts to keep them running?

Is this the new norm?  Release a new bike and then not have parts for a year or so?

 

What parts do you need exactly?  I have some stuff in stock..is it a warranty item?  

Thanks for offering, but this is not a warranty thing at all.  It was caused by the customer, and I will leave it at that.  Crank, bearings, and everything is needed for a rebuild.  They melted this thing down...

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10/7/2023 6:34pm
sgrimmxdad wrote:
We had a customer bring in a 23 KTM 250SX that needs a complete rebuild, bottom end and all.  We called our local dealer and was...

We had a customer bring in a 23 KTM 250SX that needs a complete rebuild, bottom end and all.  We called our local dealer and was told it would be like March of 24 before the parts are scheduled to be off back order.   

Getting clutch plates for the 23 YZ450F was all but impossible to recently.

If these OEM's haven't caught up from Covid, how are they keeping the bike production numbers up but not the parts to keep them running?

Is this the new norm?  Release a new bike and then not have parts for a year or so?

 

What parts do you need exactly?  I have some stuff in stock..is it a warranty item?  

sgrimmxdad wrote:
Thanks for offering, but this is not a warranty thing at all.  It was caused by the customer, and I will leave it at that.  Crank...

Thanks for offering, but this is not a warranty thing at all.  It was caused by the customer, and I will leave it at that.  Crank, bearings, and everything is needed for a rebuild.  They melted this thing down...

You’ll get that when you don’t add oil to the gas 

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It's not just availability, quality on the parts has degraded rapidly.  I'm working on an E-conversion with a brand new 2021 YZ250F roller and the difference in finish quality on most parts compared to older bikes is striking.  Doesn't necessarily mean that the material or strength is lacking, but little things like surface finish on aluminum parts, zinc plating quality on bolts, etc is significantly worse than years before.  I'm sure all of the other manufacturers are dealing with the same, but it's pretty annoying when bikes get more expensive every year but the actual quality of components continues to get worse.  

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10/8/2023 3:50am
sgrimmxdad wrote:
We had a customer bring in a 23 KTM 250SX that needs a complete rebuild, bottom end and all.  We called our local dealer and was...

We had a customer bring in a 23 KTM 250SX that needs a complete rebuild, bottom end and all.  We called our local dealer and was told it would be like March of 24 before the parts are scheduled to be off back order.   

Getting clutch plates for the 23 YZ450F was all but impossible to recently.

If these OEM's haven't caught up from Covid, how are they keeping the bike production numbers up but not the parts to keep them running?

Is this the new norm?  Release a new bike and then not have parts for a year or so?

 

What parts do you need exactly?  I have some stuff in stock..is it a warranty item?  

sgrimmxdad wrote:
Thanks for offering, but this is not a warranty thing at all.  It was caused by the customer, and I will leave it at that.  Crank...

Thanks for offering, but this is not a warranty thing at all.  It was caused by the customer, and I will leave it at that.  Crank, bearings, and everything is needed for a rebuild.  They melted this thing down...

Ouch…are the cases still good?!?! I know the cranks aren’t cheap, like $700 for a drop in, the cyl can be replated if it’s not completely destroyed.

sounds bad!!

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I've seen research on availability of several brands. During the breakout of covid Yamaha was the hardest hit, with Suzuki, Honda and Kawasaki respectively with the Japanize brands. Kawasaki was in the best shape then and has rebounded the most with fill rate in the high 90%. They have all improved and Yamaha is still struggling the most with fill rate. 

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Zoom wrote:
I've seen research on availability of several brands. During the breakout of covid Yamaha was the hardest hit, with Suzuki, Honda and Kawasaki respectively with the...

I've seen research on availability of several brands. During the breakout of covid Yamaha was the hardest hit, with Suzuki, Honda and Kawasaki respectively with the Japanize brands. Kawasaki was in the best shape then and has rebounded the most with fill rate in the high 90%. They have all improved and Yamaha is still struggling the most with fill rate. 

Probably due to sales. I have seen the yz250f out sales all other 250’s by a pretty good margin wouldn’t be shocked if their 450 is a front runner aswell 

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Zoom wrote:
I've seen research on availability of several brands. During the breakout of covid Yamaha was the hardest hit, with Suzuki, Honda and Kawasaki respectively with the...

I've seen research on availability of several brands. During the breakout of covid Yamaha was the hardest hit, with Suzuki, Honda and Kawasaki respectively with the Japanize brands. Kawasaki was in the best shape then and has rebounded the most with fill rate in the high 90%. They have all improved and Yamaha is still struggling the most with fill rate. 

adamw21 wrote:
Probably due to sales. I have seen the yz250f out sales all other 250’s by a pretty good margin wouldn’t be shocked if their 450 is...

Probably due to sales. I have seen the yz250f out sales all other 250’s by a pretty good margin wouldn’t be shocked if their 450 is a front runner aswell 

The research I saw was across all segments, street, dirt, atv, sxs and pwc. 

10/9/2023 6:52am

A guy here in my town crashed a brand new Hyundai Electric car.  under 2000km on it.  Some dude side Swiped hm.  It's sitting at the dealer since March, and they say it'll be a full 12 months before replacement panels are in.  Then they have to paint and all the rest.  While it's parked, there has to be a 3 meter clearance around it, requirement for safety of battery cars.   Not just bikes having issues with parts.   Buy a model that's well into it's generation!

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10/9/2023 7:56am
Zoom wrote:
I've seen research on availability of several brands. During the breakout of covid Yamaha was the hardest hit, with Suzuki, Honda and Kawasaki respectively with the...

I've seen research on availability of several brands. During the breakout of covid Yamaha was the hardest hit, with Suzuki, Honda and Kawasaki respectively with the Japanize brands. Kawasaki was in the best shape then and has rebounded the most with fill rate in the high 90%. They have all improved and Yamaha is still struggling the most with fill rate. 

adamw21 wrote:
Probably due to sales. I have seen the yz250f out sales all other 250’s by a pretty good margin wouldn’t be shocked if their 450 is...

Probably due to sales. I have seen the yz250f out sales all other 250’s by a pretty good margin wouldn’t be shocked if their 450 is a front runner aswell 

Zoom wrote:

The research I saw was across all segments, street, dirt, atv, sxs and pwc. 

Would make sense. Bike colors come in waves. Blue is the wave now just a few years ago it was orange bikes everywhere now they aren’t as common 

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