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9/28/2023 4:33pm
ML512 wrote:
As of recently, he's used some of our content (race footage and practice footage from SMX my staff shot) on his social media. Using it to...

As of recently, he's used some of our content (race footage and practice footage from SMX my staff shot) on his social media. Using it to break down techniques, promote himself, etc.

Hit him up about it asking where to send invoices if he's going to keep using our content...he refuses to take it down and is still running with it.

That’s pretty unchill of AJ. I get he thinks he’s adding value and just sharing that value, but it’s not easy or free to get good...

That’s pretty unchill of AJ. I get he thinks he’s adding value and just sharing that value, but it’s not easy or free to get good shots showing the riders’ technique. You have to travel to the race, sweat it out in the sun all day, plan everything out, shot it properly, edit the video. And AJ knows this. I’m sure ML or other creators wouldn't charge him a ton to use it. It’s the thought and curtesy that matters. 

ML512 wrote:
The lack of asking or crediting us is what pissed me off. So I commented and he responded with a smartass remark, then deleted it and...

The lack of asking or crediting us is what pissed me off. So I commented and he responded with a smartass remark, then deleted it and responded with a “contact my team” comment.

As mentioned in prior posts, Mirtl, Lawrences, and Wasserman have ceased working with AJ.

You have done the same shit 

Doesn’t feel good does it?

 

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9/28/2023 4:39pm
FerCzD wrote:
If there's smoke, there's fire. Seems that the persona that AJ portraits in his social media is a different one from who he really is, and...

If there's smoke, there's fire. Seems that the persona that AJ portraits in his social media is a different one from who he really is, and his true colors are showing. I remember reading a post from him stating that Jett was a employee to the Moto Academy, and shortly after (maybe in the span of two weeks) that is when I noticed all Lawrence's related content on his social media was removed.

Kyle978 wrote:

I've been shocked he's made it this far along without being exposed. Complete fraud. 

RV stepping away also? 

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9/28/2023 5:13pm

Haha I don't disagree, but at least one of the guys in this thread IS a lawyer 

PhunnyGuy wrote:
being a lawyer is not what it used to be. damn near anyone can get a law degree online. the demand / compensation isn't really there...

being a lawyer is not what it used to be. damn near anyone can get a law degree online. the demand / compensation isn't really there these days unless you're highly specialized. a lot of women became lawyers in the last few decades and drove the real wages down hard and fast

you have been on here a day and whenever I see you comment its a bad take 

"you have been on here a day"

...this time. Usually when "new" people post this much, it ain't their first trip around the merry-go-round. 

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jstevie wrote:
I can understand GPF keeping some money to cover their lawyer fees, surveyors, appraisals, banker fees and other expenses related to the sale.  But to keep...

I can understand GPF keeping some money to cover their lawyer fees, surveyors, appraisals, banker fees and other expenses related to the sale.  But to keep any money beyond that would be in poor taste.  Even if it is spelled out in the contract that they can keep the whole thing, doesn't mean that they should.  I hope you get some back.  Sorry brother.

yak651 wrote:

GPF the ones in poor taste? Lol

jstevie wrote:
It's a shitshow all around. But if they don't give him his money back minus an itemized list of the fuckery, then yeah, It's on them...

It's a shitshow all around. But if they don't give him his money back minus an itemized list of the fuckery, then yeah, It's on them too.

Bullshit.  Contracts exist for a reason.  I agree AJ seems like a douche and is totally in the wrong.  The partner that lost his investment needs to put the blame on himself though.  He learned a valuable lesson.  He should have verified the funds existed and required them be held in escrow.  Bad business all around.  Lots of guys make a lot of money borrowing money for ventures they know will fail.  Not saying that’s what GPF was doing, but I also do not fault them in anyway for holding someone to a contract.  Opportunity costs are a real thing and the stress and hit to their reputation has a cost as well.  

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9/28/2023 6:41pm
yak651 wrote:

GPF the ones in poor taste? Lol

jstevie wrote:
It's a shitshow all around. But if they don't give him his money back minus an itemized list of the fuckery, then yeah, It's on them...

It's a shitshow all around. But if they don't give him his money back minus an itemized list of the fuckery, then yeah, It's on them too.

jhansen510 wrote:
Bullshit.  Contracts exist for a reason.  I agree AJ seems like a douche and is totally in the wrong.  The partner that lost his investment needs...

Bullshit.  Contracts exist for a reason.  I agree AJ seems like a douche and is totally in the wrong.  The partner that lost his investment needs to put the blame on himself though.  He learned a valuable lesson.  He should have verified the funds existed and required them be held in escrow.  Bad business all around.  Lots of guys make a lot of money borrowing money for ventures they know will fail.  Not saying that’s what GPF was doing, but I also do not fault them in anyway for holding someone to a contract.  Opportunity costs are a real thing and the stress and hit to their reputation has a cost as well.  

The reality is that we have no clue exactly what went down. Did someone provide false statements? It would be super simple to fake the majority of what is needed as "proof"

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9/28/2023 6:47pm
ML512 wrote:
As of recently, he's used some of our content (race footage and practice footage from SMX my staff shot) on his social media. Using it to...

As of recently, he's used some of our content (race footage and practice footage from SMX my staff shot) on his social media. Using it to break down techniques, promote himself, etc.

Hit him up about it asking where to send invoices if he's going to keep using our content...he refuses to take it down and is still running with it.

NVA57 wrote:

Can’t you hit him with a copyright strike via YouTube? I know that’s kinda petty, but stealing clips shouldn’t become the norm. 

If you use someone else's video and clip it and give comments or feedback overlaying it,  it's considered transformative content by YouTube and won't get a copyright strike 

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9/28/2023 8:09pm
ML512 wrote:
As of recently, he's used some of our content (race footage and practice footage from SMX my staff shot) on his social media. Using it to...

As of recently, he's used some of our content (race footage and practice footage from SMX my staff shot) on his social media. Using it to break down techniques, promote himself, etc.

Hit him up about it asking where to send invoices if he's going to keep using our content...he refuses to take it down and is still running with it.

NVA57 wrote:

Can’t you hit him with a copyright strike via YouTube? I know that’s kinda petty, but stealing clips shouldn’t become the norm. 

If you use someone else's video and clip it and give comments or feedback overlaying it,  it's considered transformative content by YouTube and won't get a...

If you use someone else's video and clip it and give comments or feedback overlaying it,  it's considered transformative content by YouTube and won't get a copyright strike 

ML, I’d consider taking some of his “transformative” content based on your stuff and add my own “commentary” on top of it, making it transformative back to you. The commentary likely would not be flattering. 

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9/28/2023 9:02pm
jstevie wrote:
It's a shitshow all around. But if they don't give him his money back minus an itemized list of the fuckery, then yeah, It's on them...

It's a shitshow all around. But if they don't give him his money back minus an itemized list of the fuckery, then yeah, It's on them too.

jhansen510 wrote:
Bullshit.  Contracts exist for a reason.  I agree AJ seems like a douche and is totally in the wrong.  The partner that lost his investment needs...

Bullshit.  Contracts exist for a reason.  I agree AJ seems like a douche and is totally in the wrong.  The partner that lost his investment needs to put the blame on himself though.  He learned a valuable lesson.  He should have verified the funds existed and required them be held in escrow.  Bad business all around.  Lots of guys make a lot of money borrowing money for ventures they know will fail.  Not saying that’s what GPF was doing, but I also do not fault them in anyway for holding someone to a contract.  Opportunity costs are a real thing and the stress and hit to their reputation has a cost as well.  

JazzyJJ wrote:
The reality is that we have no clue exactly what went down. Did someone provide false statements? It would be super simple to fake the majority...

The reality is that we have no clue exactly what went down. Did someone provide false statements? It would be super simple to fake the majority of what is needed as "proof"

Fair point.  If he falsified documents, he deserves what he has coming.  

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9/29/2023 8:17am

Open practice 10-5 at GPF this weekend on SX and MX tracks. Anyone on here going? 

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9/29/2023 8:45am Edited Date/Time 9/29/2023 8:49am
KHNC wrote:

Open practice 10-5 at GPF this weekend on SX and MX tracks. Anyone on here going? 

Hoping to go to there big annual race.  Gotta figure out when it is.  Cash for Class or something like that

Edit: Nov 11-13th

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9/29/2023 11:53am
KHNC wrote:

Open practice 10-5 at GPF this weekend on SX and MX tracks. Anyone on here going? 

I’ll be there with a few friends. One of the best tracks in our area 

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9/29/2023 12:13pm
That’s pretty unchill of AJ. I get he thinks he’s adding value and just sharing that value, but it’s not easy or free to get good...

That’s pretty unchill of AJ. I get he thinks he’s adding value and just sharing that value, but it’s not easy or free to get good shots showing the riders’ technique. You have to travel to the race, sweat it out in the sun all day, plan everything out, shot it properly, edit the video. And AJ knows this. I’m sure ML or other creators wouldn't charge him a ton to use it. It’s the thought and curtesy that matters. 

ML512 wrote:
The lack of asking or crediting us is what pissed me off. So I commented and he responded with a smartass remark, then deleted it and...

The lack of asking or crediting us is what pissed me off. So I commented and he responded with a smartass remark, then deleted it and responded with a “contact my team” comment.

As mentioned in prior posts, Mirtl, Lawrences, and Wasserman have ceased working with AJ.

IceMan446 wrote:

You have done the same shit 

Doesn’t feel good does it?

 

Elaborate..?

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9/29/2023 1:42pm
ML512 wrote:
The lack of asking or crediting us is what pissed me off. So I commented and he responded with a smartass remark, then deleted it and...

The lack of asking or crediting us is what pissed me off. So I commented and he responded with a smartass remark, then deleted it and responded with a “contact my team” comment.

As mentioned in prior posts, Mirtl, Lawrences, and Wasserman have ceased working with AJ.

IceMan446 wrote:

You have done the same shit 

Doesn’t feel good does it?

 

soggy wrote:

Elaborate..?

It was mentioned on Pulp show ML has taken others work and used it for his own. 
 

 

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9/29/2023 9:21pm Edited Date/Time 9/29/2023 9:31pm
IceMan446 wrote:

It was mentioned on Pulp show ML has taken others work and used it for his own. 
 

 

Steve has asked on the show why we embed other media sites content. YouTube has an embed feature you can enable, which allows your videos to be shared or posted elsewhere. When we embed them into our site, the YouTube ads that play pay the original owner of the content, and the views get counted toward their video. For example, he's asked me why I've shared Dean Wilson vlogs. Typically, Dean asks us to. Same with McElrath and Moranz. We post them in embed, the views count towards their youtube page, they get more exposure and a few extra bucks out of it. Say Deano posts a video and gets 50,000 views on YouTube but that embed on our site gets 5,000 views, the total views on his video on YouTube will show 55,000.

He also asked why I'd share a RacerX video. I did a couple of times when it was the Keefer vs Keefer videos (Aden vs Kris). Kris and his son are close friends, I loved the video, and shared it to get them some more views.

His stance is he wouldn't personally do it because he thinks it looks weird. Vital has always had a melting pot-style vibe to it, so I share embeddable content from people I like to support / I think their content is good.

Some may view this as similar to my complaint about AJ taking our video footage but I view it a little differently. In our case, we're sharing the content as it was originally meant to be seen and it financially supports the person I'm embedding their content. I get some page views, which due to the ads on our page, I/Vital makes revenue from that. In AJ's case, they screen-recorded or used an app to download our video from IG, edited over it with his observations, and then posted it to promote his riding advice and financially benefit from it by getting people to sign up for his training app. I/Vital didn't get anything from it and didn't get asked if our video could be modified after I spent thousands of dollars to send our staff filmers to the races.

Lastly, with the recent accusations placed against AJ, I don't want my brand/Vital associated with him. Especially if users miss-took it that we had a partnership and supplied him footage willingly. There's also the awkward issue of the video being shot by one of my staff members but on behalf of Vital. The listed emoji credit is to our filmer Sean, but even he wasn't happy as they used his footage because they didn't ask his permission either. I asked for it to be taken down and got told no, that they wouldn't comply.

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9/29/2023 9:24pm Edited Date/Time 9/29/2023 9:27pm
IceMan446 wrote:

It was mentioned on Pulp show ML has taken others work and used it for his own. 
 

 

ML512 wrote:
Steve has asked on the show why we embed other media sites content. YouTube has an embed feature you can enable, which allows your videos to...

Steve has asked on the show why we embed other media sites content. YouTube has an embed feature you can enable, which allows your videos to be shared or posted elsewhere. When we embed them into our site, the YouTube ads that play pay the original owner of the content, and the views get counted toward their video. For example, he's asked me why I've shared Dean Wilson vlogs. Typically, Dean asks us to. Same with McElrath and Moranz. We post them in embed, the views count towards their youtube page, they get more exposure and a few extra bucks out of it. Say Deano posts a video and gets 50,000 views on YouTube but that embed on our site gets 5,000 views, the total views on his video on YouTube will show 55,000.

He also asked why I'd share a RacerX video. I did a couple of times when it was the Keefer vs Keefer videos (Aden vs Kris). Kris and his son are close friends, I loved the video, and shared it to get them some more views.

His stance is he wouldn't personally do it because he thinks it looks weird. Vital has always had a melting pot-style vibe to it, so I share embeddable content from people I like to support / I think their content is good.

Some may view this as similar to my complaint about AJ taking our video footage but I view it a little differently. In our case, we're sharing the content as it was originally meant to be seen and it financially supports the person I'm embedding their content. I get some page views, which due to the ads on our page, I/Vital makes revenue from that. In AJ's case, they screen-recorded or used an app to download our video from IG, edited over it with his observations, and then posted it to promote his riding advice and financially benefit from it by getting people to sign up for his training app. I/Vital didn't get anything from it and didn't get asked if our video could be modified after I spent thousands of dollars to send our staff filmers to the races.

Lastly, with the recent accusations placed against AJ, I don't want my brand/Vital associated with him. Especially if users miss-took it that we had a partnership and supplied him footage willingly. There's also the awkward issue of the video being shot by one of my staff members but on behalf of Vital. The listed emoji credit is to our filmer Sean, but even he wasn't happy as they used his footage because they didn't ask his permission either. I asked for it to be taken down and got told no, that they wouldn't comply.

I've personally appreciated and just generally find it cool that you guys post videos from other media sources.

...And knowing how this stuff works, it is something that literally benefits everyone. You're doing it right, keep it up.

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IceMan446 wrote:

You have done the same shit 

Doesn’t feel good does it?

 

Read my latest response to you to clarify.

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IceMan446 wrote:

RV stepping away also? 

RV is a part of Ping's training app, not AJ's.

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9/29/2023 10:06pm
ML512 wrote:
Steve has asked on the show why we embed other media sites content. YouTube has an embed feature you can enable, which allows your videos to...

Steve has asked on the show why we embed other media sites content. YouTube has an embed feature you can enable, which allows your videos to be shared or posted elsewhere. When we embed them into our site, the YouTube ads that play pay the original owner of the content, and the views get counted toward their video. For example, he's asked me why I've shared Dean Wilson vlogs. Typically, Dean asks us to. Same with McElrath and Moranz. We post them in embed, the views count towards their youtube page, they get more exposure and a few extra bucks out of it. Say Deano posts a video and gets 50,000 views on YouTube but that embed on our site gets 5,000 views, the total views on his video on YouTube will show 55,000.

He also asked why I'd share a RacerX video. I did a couple of times when it was the Keefer vs Keefer videos (Aden vs Kris). Kris and his son are close friends, I loved the video, and shared it to get them some more views.

His stance is he wouldn't personally do it because he thinks it looks weird. Vital has always had a melting pot-style vibe to it, so I share embeddable content from people I like to support / I think their content is good.

Some may view this as similar to my complaint about AJ taking our video footage but I view it a little differently. In our case, we're sharing the content as it was originally meant to be seen and it financially supports the person I'm embedding their content. I get some page views, which due to the ads on our page, I/Vital makes revenue from that. In AJ's case, they screen-recorded or used an app to download our video from IG, edited over it with his observations, and then posted it to promote his riding advice and financially benefit from it by getting people to sign up for his training app. I/Vital didn't get anything from it and didn't get asked if our video could be modified after I spent thousands of dollars to send our staff filmers to the races.

Lastly, with the recent accusations placed against AJ, I don't want my brand/Vital associated with him. Especially if users miss-took it that we had a partnership and supplied him footage willingly. There's also the awkward issue of the video being shot by one of my staff members but on behalf of Vital. The listed emoji credit is to our filmer Sean, but even he wasn't happy as they used his footage because they didn't ask his permission either. I asked for it to be taken down and got told no, that they wouldn't comply.

I 100% agree that embedding the content is not the same as what AJ is doing as those outlets do still benefit through youtube revenue as you point out. However, I do find the ad injection on videos a little distasteful. The ad injection gives you a clear financial incentive to use and post content from other outlets, which is not too different to "using other people's content for your own financial gain". It's also a very annoying experience as a user to have to watch two sets of ads. I understand the site needs to make money and I have no problem with the advertising every where else. The embed feature keeps users engaged on your site and they're still able to view the surrounding ads so are the ad injections necessary?

 

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SoCalMX70 wrote:

Haha, I always thought the same thing. Sometimes you can just tell, right?

Seems he's gone full bullshit influencer and thinks he's untouchable.

Didn’t he get all defensive and whiney on social media  some years ago after Barcia said something about him?

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10/3/2023 7:05am
ML512 wrote:
Steve has asked on the show why we embed other media sites content. YouTube has an embed feature you can enable, which allows your videos to...

Steve has asked on the show why we embed other media sites content. YouTube has an embed feature you can enable, which allows your videos to be shared or posted elsewhere. When we embed them into our site, the YouTube ads that play pay the original owner of the content, and the views get counted toward their video. For example, he's asked me why I've shared Dean Wilson vlogs. Typically, Dean asks us to. Same with McElrath and Moranz. We post them in embed, the views count towards their youtube page, they get more exposure and a few extra bucks out of it. Say Deano posts a video and gets 50,000 views on YouTube but that embed on our site gets 5,000 views, the total views on his video on YouTube will show 55,000.

He also asked why I'd share a RacerX video. I did a couple of times when it was the Keefer vs Keefer videos (Aden vs Kris). Kris and his son are close friends, I loved the video, and shared it to get them some more views.

His stance is he wouldn't personally do it because he thinks it looks weird. Vital has always had a melting pot-style vibe to it, so I share embeddable content from people I like to support / I think their content is good.

Some may view this as similar to my complaint about AJ taking our video footage but I view it a little differently. In our case, we're sharing the content as it was originally meant to be seen and it financially supports the person I'm embedding their content. I get some page views, which due to the ads on our page, I/Vital makes revenue from that. In AJ's case, they screen-recorded or used an app to download our video from IG, edited over it with his observations, and then posted it to promote his riding advice and financially benefit from it by getting people to sign up for his training app. I/Vital didn't get anything from it and didn't get asked if our video could be modified after I spent thousands of dollars to send our staff filmers to the races.

Lastly, with the recent accusations placed against AJ, I don't want my brand/Vital associated with him. Especially if users miss-took it that we had a partnership and supplied him footage willingly. There's also the awkward issue of the video being shot by one of my staff members but on behalf of Vital. The listed emoji credit is to our filmer Sean, but even he wasn't happy as they used his footage because they didn't ask his permission either. I asked for it to be taken down and got told no, that they wouldn't comply.

If Sean doesnt like his video being used without permission do you think the filmers videos vital uses without asking have the same valid issue that Sean has? 

I Think so. 

The melting pot that is vital doesn’t exclude you and your brand from not doing what you want/expect others to do.

Just be considerate as you want others to be considerate of your teams work. Fair is fair. 

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10/3/2023 7:40am
ML512 wrote:
Steve has asked on the show why we embed other media sites content. YouTube has an embed feature you can enable, which allows your videos to...

Steve has asked on the show why we embed other media sites content. YouTube has an embed feature you can enable, which allows your videos to be shared or posted elsewhere. When we embed them into our site, the YouTube ads that play pay the original owner of the content, and the views get counted toward their video. For example, he's asked me why I've shared Dean Wilson vlogs. Typically, Dean asks us to. Same with McElrath and Moranz. We post them in embed, the views count towards their youtube page, they get more exposure and a few extra bucks out of it. Say Deano posts a video and gets 50,000 views on YouTube but that embed on our site gets 5,000 views, the total views on his video on YouTube will show 55,000.

He also asked why I'd share a RacerX video. I did a couple of times when it was the Keefer vs Keefer videos (Aden vs Kris). Kris and his son are close friends, I loved the video, and shared it to get them some more views.

His stance is he wouldn't personally do it because he thinks it looks weird. Vital has always had a melting pot-style vibe to it, so I share embeddable content from people I like to support / I think their content is good.

Some may view this as similar to my complaint about AJ taking our video footage but I view it a little differently. In our case, we're sharing the content as it was originally meant to be seen and it financially supports the person I'm embedding their content. I get some page views, which due to the ads on our page, I/Vital makes revenue from that. In AJ's case, they screen-recorded or used an app to download our video from IG, edited over it with his observations, and then posted it to promote his riding advice and financially benefit from it by getting people to sign up for his training app. I/Vital didn't get anything from it and didn't get asked if our video could be modified after I spent thousands of dollars to send our staff filmers to the races.

Lastly, with the recent accusations placed against AJ, I don't want my brand/Vital associated with him. Especially if users miss-took it that we had a partnership and supplied him footage willingly. There's also the awkward issue of the video being shot by one of my staff members but on behalf of Vital. The listed emoji credit is to our filmer Sean, but even he wasn't happy as they used his footage because they didn't ask his permission either. I asked for it to be taken down and got told no, that they wouldn't comply.

IceMan446 wrote:
If Sean doesnt like his video being used without permission do you think the filmers videos vital uses without asking have the same valid issue that Sean...

If Sean doesnt like his video being used without permission do you think the filmers videos vital uses without asking have the same valid issue that Sean has? 

I Think so. 

The melting pot that is vital doesn’t exclude you and your brand from not doing what you want/expect others to do.

Just be considerate as you want others to be considerate of your teams work. Fair is fair. 

Did you read any of his response? or just blindly post? the stupidity is amazing.

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10/3/2023 7:58am
ML512 wrote:
Steve has asked on the show why we embed other media sites content. YouTube has an embed feature you can enable, which allows your videos to...

Steve has asked on the show why we embed other media sites content. YouTube has an embed feature you can enable, which allows your videos to be shared or posted elsewhere. When we embed them into our site, the YouTube ads that play pay the original owner of the content, and the views get counted toward their video. For example, he's asked me why I've shared Dean Wilson vlogs. Typically, Dean asks us to. Same with McElrath and Moranz. We post them in embed, the views count towards their youtube page, they get more exposure and a few extra bucks out of it. Say Deano posts a video and gets 50,000 views on YouTube but that embed on our site gets 5,000 views, the total views on his video on YouTube will show 55,000.

He also asked why I'd share a RacerX video. I did a couple of times when it was the Keefer vs Keefer videos (Aden vs Kris). Kris and his son are close friends, I loved the video, and shared it to get them some more views.

His stance is he wouldn't personally do it because he thinks it looks weird. Vital has always had a melting pot-style vibe to it, so I share embeddable content from people I like to support / I think their content is good.

Some may view this as similar to my complaint about AJ taking our video footage but I view it a little differently. In our case, we're sharing the content as it was originally meant to be seen and it financially supports the person I'm embedding their content. I get some page views, which due to the ads on our page, I/Vital makes revenue from that. In AJ's case, they screen-recorded or used an app to download our video from IG, edited over it with his observations, and then posted it to promote his riding advice and financially benefit from it by getting people to sign up for his training app. I/Vital didn't get anything from it and didn't get asked if our video could be modified after I spent thousands of dollars to send our staff filmers to the races.

Lastly, with the recent accusations placed against AJ, I don't want my brand/Vital associated with him. Especially if users miss-took it that we had a partnership and supplied him footage willingly. There's also the awkward issue of the video being shot by one of my staff members but on behalf of Vital. The listed emoji credit is to our filmer Sean, but even he wasn't happy as they used his footage because they didn't ask his permission either. I asked for it to be taken down and got told no, that they wouldn't comply.

IceMan446 wrote:
If Sean doesnt like his video being used without permission do you think the filmers videos vital uses without asking have the same valid issue that Sean...

If Sean doesnt like his video being used without permission do you think the filmers videos vital uses without asking have the same valid issue that Sean has? 

I Think so. 

The melting pot that is vital doesn’t exclude you and your brand from not doing what you want/expect others to do.

Just be considerate as you want others to be considerate of your teams work. Fair is fair. 

Sharing their video in its original form vs. screen shotting someone’s video and creating your own video with it without giving credit are two completely different things. As a former moto filmer/editor myself, I would have killed to have Vital share my videos. You’re offering more views for my video and I don’t have to do any extra work or pay you anything? Sign me up! 

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10/3/2023 1:13pm
ML512 wrote:
Steve has asked on the show why we embed other media sites content. YouTube has an embed feature you can enable, which allows your videos to...

Steve has asked on the show why we embed other media sites content. YouTube has an embed feature you can enable, which allows your videos to be shared or posted elsewhere. When we embed them into our site, the YouTube ads that play pay the original owner of the content, and the views get counted toward their video. For example, he's asked me why I've shared Dean Wilson vlogs. Typically, Dean asks us to. Same with McElrath and Moranz. We post them in embed, the views count towards their youtube page, they get more exposure and a few extra bucks out of it. Say Deano posts a video and gets 50,000 views on YouTube but that embed on our site gets 5,000 views, the total views on his video on YouTube will show 55,000.

He also asked why I'd share a RacerX video. I did a couple of times when it was the Keefer vs Keefer videos (Aden vs Kris). Kris and his son are close friends, I loved the video, and shared it to get them some more views.

His stance is he wouldn't personally do it because he thinks it looks weird. Vital has always had a melting pot-style vibe to it, so I share embeddable content from people I like to support / I think their content is good.

Some may view this as similar to my complaint about AJ taking our video footage but I view it a little differently. In our case, we're sharing the content as it was originally meant to be seen and it financially supports the person I'm embedding their content. I get some page views, which due to the ads on our page, I/Vital makes revenue from that. In AJ's case, they screen-recorded or used an app to download our video from IG, edited over it with his observations, and then posted it to promote his riding advice and financially benefit from it by getting people to sign up for his training app. I/Vital didn't get anything from it and didn't get asked if our video could be modified after I spent thousands of dollars to send our staff filmers to the races.

Lastly, with the recent accusations placed against AJ, I don't want my brand/Vital associated with him. Especially if users miss-took it that we had a partnership and supplied him footage willingly. There's also the awkward issue of the video being shot by one of my staff members but on behalf of Vital. The listed emoji credit is to our filmer Sean, but even he wasn't happy as they used his footage because they didn't ask his permission either. I asked for it to be taken down and got told no, that they wouldn't comply.

IceMan446 wrote:
If Sean doesnt like his video being used without permission do you think the filmers videos vital uses without asking have the same valid issue that Sean...

If Sean doesnt like his video being used without permission do you think the filmers videos vital uses without asking have the same valid issue that Sean has? 

I Think so. 

The melting pot that is vital doesn’t exclude you and your brand from not doing what you want/expect others to do.

Just be considerate as you want others to be considerate of your teams work. Fair is fair. 

Did you read any of his response? or just blindly post? the stupidity is amazing.

Stupidity???Y

you know anything about copy right laws? 

 

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10/3/2023 1:21pm
IceMan446 wrote:
If Sean doesnt like his video being used without permission do you think the filmers videos vital uses without asking have the same valid issue that Sean...

If Sean doesnt like his video being used without permission do you think the filmers videos vital uses without asking have the same valid issue that Sean has? 

I Think so. 

The melting pot that is vital doesn’t exclude you and your brand from not doing what you want/expect others to do.

Just be considerate as you want others to be considerate of your teams work. Fair is fair. 

Did you read any of his response? or just blindly post? the stupidity is amazing.

IceMan446 wrote:

Stupidity???Y

you know anything about copy right laws? 

 

If YouTube offers an embed feature, seems highly unlikely that there would be copy right laws for embedding 

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10/3/2023 1:22pm
IceMan446 wrote:
If Sean doesnt like his video being used without permission do you think the filmers videos vital uses without asking have the same valid issue that Sean...

If Sean doesnt like his video being used without permission do you think the filmers videos vital uses without asking have the same valid issue that Sean has? 

I Think so. 

The melting pot that is vital doesn’t exclude you and your brand from not doing what you want/expect others to do.

Just be considerate as you want others to be considerate of your teams work. Fair is fair. 

Did you read any of his response? or just blindly post? the stupidity is amazing.

IceMan446 wrote:

Stupidity???Y

you know anything about copy right laws? 

 

Take the L. This is clearly beyond your comprehension.

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10/3/2023 1:52pm
IceMan446 wrote:

Stupidity???Y

you know anything about copy right laws? 

 

*Esquire

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10/3/2023 2:08pm
IceMan446 wrote:

Stupidity???Y

you know anything about copy right laws? 

 

LungButter wrote:

*Esquire

whiskey

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10/3/2023 2:47pm

As owner of GPF I feel I should speak up but careful with what I say as we are now being sued for a deal going wrong that was not our fault. This deal was in the works for all of 9 months. When contract was signed we started to let everyone know what was going to happen and that if they didn’t want to work with Moto Academy they would have to leave at the end of July sending lots of my business away. Cleared out most of our rentals. All while letting the partner who did pay his share of down payment live on GPF property for a year mostly for free.  I do feel terrible for the family that got screwed but none of it was our fault. The damages to GPF business and some of the buildings that are half way done are huge. And now because the partner that was in good faith is unable to go after what was supposed to be his partner who didn’t pay his share for damages he has decided to come after us. There is just a lot more to the story than what is being told and the things we had to do to make this sale go through including moving my family off GPF property. 
 

All will work out in the end. GPF is back up and running. Tracks are better than they’ve ever been. Training has resumed this week. We have a big race called Cash for Class on November 10-12. 

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10/3/2023 2:51pm Edited Date/Time 10/3/2023 2:52pm
JWoods126 wrote:
As owner of GPF I feel I should speak up but careful with what I say as we are now being sued for a deal going...

As owner of GPF I feel I should speak up but careful with what I say as we are now being sued for a deal going wrong that was not our fault. This deal was in the works for all of 9 months. When contract was signed we started to let everyone know what was going to happen and that if they didn’t want to work with Moto Academy they would have to leave at the end of July sending lots of my business away. Cleared out most of our rentals. All while letting the partner who did pay his share of down payment live on GPF property for a year mostly for free.  I do feel terrible for the family that got screwed but none of it was our fault. The damages to GPF business and some of the buildings that are half way done are huge. And now because the partner that was in good faith is unable to go after what was supposed to be his partner who didn’t pay his share for damages he has decided to come after us. There is just a lot more to the story than what is being told and the things we had to do to make this sale go through including moving my family off GPF property. 
 

All will work out in the end. GPF is back up and running. Tracks are better than they’ve ever been. Training has resumed this week. We have a big race called Cash for Class on November 10-12. 

Wow AJ that's fucked up if your partner has to go after GPF for you being unable to come up with your funds

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10/3/2023 2:59pm
IceMan446 wrote:
If Sean doesnt like his video being used without permission do you think the filmers videos vital uses without asking have the same valid issue that Sean...

If Sean doesnt like his video being used without permission do you think the filmers videos vital uses without asking have the same valid issue that Sean has? 

I Think so. 

The melting pot that is vital doesn’t exclude you and your brand from not doing what you want/expect others to do.

Just be considerate as you want others to be considerate of your teams work. Fair is fair. 

Did you read any of his response? or just blindly post? the stupidity is amazing.

IceMan446 wrote:

Stupidity???Y

you know anything about copy right laws? 

 

If Vital is paying people to film content then it’s highly likely Vital owns the copyright, not the guys operating the cameras.

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