MXGP Rumours/Silly season

Boomslang wrote:

Kemea Yamaha? Never heard of that team. How would you compare their bikes to the Gebben bikes? Is this a improvement or a step backwards for...

Kemea Yamaha? Never heard of that team.

How would you compare their bikes to the Gebben bikes? Is this a improvement or a step backwards for Calvin? 

 

gardon372 wrote:

Kemea run the MX2 team at the moment, and a few comments in here point to them taking over the MXGP set up next year. So...

Kemea run the MX2 team at the moment, and a few comments in here point to them taking over the MXGP set up next year. So full factory bikes. 

rym wrote:

I am not sure i understand what Yamaha is doing. * They weaken their teams in EMX250 and MX2 (Hutten is not an improvement over kemea...

I am not sure i understand what Yamaha is doing.

* They weaken their teams in EMX250 and MX2 (Hutten is not an improvement over kemea, and whoever is going to do emx250 isnt an improvement over Hutten)

* I don't think Kemea is an improvement over Wilvo in MXGP

* They lose Seewer & Coldenhoff and replace them with Vlaanderen (nice for Calvin & deserved, but he is not an upgrade). Obviously Geerts will move up, but its unrealistic to expect miracles from him & Yamaha loses a title contender in mx2

* They seem to have lost Gebben in the process

To me it just looks like a lot of moves & ending a bunch of relationships and at the end Yamaha is at best an outsider for a world title in '24?? 

DeStouwer wrote:

A lot of assumptions here. Kemea wasn't considered an improvement when they became the official MX2 factory team, and look at them now. If they will...

A lot of assumptions here.

Kemea wasn't considered an improvement when they became the official MX2 factory team, and look at them now. If they will do better or not as Wilvo will become clear in the future, but I will give them the benefit of the doubt until then. Geerts and Renaux both know "House Kemea" very well and Vlaanderen seems to fit in any team as he's a very professional guy.

Hutten have earned their glory in the past seasons aswell. First as a Yamaha-supported team, later as the official EMX250-team (just like Kemea did a few years before them).

Seewer has been the #1 rider at Yamaha for quite a few years now, and never made it happen. He will be #2 at Kawasaki next year, so maybe a little less pressure will suit him more. But I highly doubt he will ever "make it happen". It's known Yamaha FUBAR'ed last season, so maybe Seewer didn't even wanted to stay.

Losing Gebben is a shame, but I'm actually surprised that a local dealer lasted so long with a fulltime MXGP-team over all those years. Teams with way more resources as Gebben all came and went the past decade (i.e. Suzuki or Aprilia for example), so props to them. Maybe they can become the EMX250-team as Hutten will move up a class?

As for your statement: "they weaken their teams"... Dunno man, but succession is a part of MX. Or any sport for that matter. Seewer decided to leave and Coldenhoff's best days have most probably passed. At first it seemed KTM "weakened" their MX2-team by losing Vialle and Hofer (compulsory) and replaced them with Adamo and Everts. We all know how that turned out for them.

Geerts moves to MXGP, Benistant stays in MX2 and Bonacorsi joins him. As far as I'm concerned, that's the best replacement they could do.

DeStouwer wrote:

A lot of assumptions here. Kemea wasn't considered an improvement when they became the official MX2 factory team, and look at them now. If they will...

A lot of assumptions here.

Kemea wasn't considered an improvement when they became the official MX2 factory team, and look at them now. If they will do better or not as Wilvo will become clear in the future, but I will give them the benefit of the doubt until then. Geerts and Renaux both know "House Kemea" very well and Vlaanderen seems to fit in any team as he's a very professional guy.

Hutten have earned their glory in the past seasons aswell. First as a Yamaha-supported team, later as the official EMX250-team (just like Kemea did a few years before them).

Seewer has been the #1 rider at Yamaha for quite a few years now, and never made it happen. He will be #2 at Kawasaki next year, so maybe a little less pressure will suit him more. But I highly doubt he will ever "make it happen". It's known Yamaha FUBAR'ed last season, so maybe Seewer didn't even wanted to stay.

Losing Gebben is a shame, but I'm actually surprised that a local dealer lasted so long with a fulltime MXGP-team over all those years. Teams with way more resources as Gebben all came and went the past decade (i.e. Suzuki or Aprilia for example), so props to them. Maybe they can become the EMX250-team as Hutten will move up a class?

As for your statement: "they weaken their teams"... Dunno man, but succession is a part of MX. Or any sport for that matter. Seewer decided to leave and Coldenhoff's best days have most probably passed. At first it seemed KTM "weakened" their MX2-team by losing Vialle and Hofer (compulsory) and replaced them with Adamo and Everts. We all know how that turned out for them.

Geerts moves to MXGP, Benistant stays in MX2 and Bonacorsi joins him. As far as I'm concerned, that's the best replacement they could do.

Books wrote:

Kawasaki signed Seewer before Febvre so I don’t know about that #2 on the team spot. Febvre clearly wasn’t happy with that and looked around but...

Kawasaki signed Seewer before Febvre so I don’t know about that #2 on the team spot. Febvre clearly wasn’t happy with that and looked around but not many good spots available.. 
 

Hopefully it will work out for Kawasaki because the last 2 years the 2nd rider been a big blow with injury or complaining about the bike (wich could be a truth to that)

DeStouwer wrote:

Guillod and Horgmo confirmed at Honda SR Motoblouz for 2024.

soyMotero wrote:

Who is filling Horgmo spot at FH Kawasaki??

Books wrote:

Kawasaki signed Seewer before Febvre so I don’t know about that #2 on the team spot. Febvre clearly wasn’t happy with that and looked around but...

Kawasaki signed Seewer before Febvre so I don’t know about that #2 on the team spot. Febvre clearly wasn’t happy with that and looked around but not many good spots available.. 
 

Hopefully it will work out for Kawasaki because the last 2 years the 2nd rider been a big blow with injury or complaining about the bike (wich could be a truth to that)

rym wrote:

I am not sure i understand what Yamaha is doing. * They weaken their teams in EMX250 and MX2 (Hutten is not an improvement over kemea...

I am not sure i understand what Yamaha is doing.

* They weaken their teams in EMX250 and MX2 (Hutten is not an improvement over kemea, and whoever is going to do emx250 isnt an improvement over Hutten)

* I don't think Kemea is an improvement over Wilvo in MXGP

* They lose Seewer & Coldenhoff and replace them with Vlaanderen (nice for Calvin & deserved, but he is not an upgrade). Obviously Geerts will move up, but its unrealistic to expect miracles from him & Yamaha loses a title contender in mx2

* They seem to have lost Gebben in the process

To me it just looks like a lot of moves & ending a bunch of relationships and at the end Yamaha is at best an outsider for a world title in '24?? 

DeStouwer wrote:

A lot of assumptions here. Kemea wasn't considered an improvement when they became the official MX2 factory team, and look at them now. If they will...

A lot of assumptions here.

Kemea wasn't considered an improvement when they became the official MX2 factory team, and look at them now. If they will do better or not as Wilvo will become clear in the future, but I will give them the benefit of the doubt until then. Geerts and Renaux both know "House Kemea" very well and Vlaanderen seems to fit in any team as he's a very professional guy.

Hutten have earned their glory in the past seasons aswell. First as a Yamaha-supported team, later as the official EMX250-team (just like Kemea did a few years before them).

Seewer has been the #1 rider at Yamaha for quite a few years now, and never made it happen. He will be #2 at Kawasaki next year, so maybe a little less pressure will suit him more. But I highly doubt he will ever "make it happen". It's known Yamaha FUBAR'ed last season, so maybe Seewer didn't even wanted to stay.

Losing Gebben is a shame, but I'm actually surprised that a local dealer lasted so long with a fulltime MXGP-team over all those years. Teams with way more resources as Gebben all came and went the past decade (i.e. Suzuki or Aprilia for example), so props to them. Maybe they can become the EMX250-team as Hutten will move up a class?

As for your statement: "they weaken their teams"... Dunno man, but succession is a part of MX. Or any sport for that matter. Seewer decided to leave and Coldenhoff's best days have most probably passed. At first it seemed KTM "weakened" their MX2-team by losing Vialle and Hofer (compulsory) and replaced them with Adamo and Everts. We all know how that turned out for them.

Geerts moves to MXGP, Benistant stays in MX2 and Bonacorsi joins him. As far as I'm concerned, that's the best replacement they could do.

philG wrote:

I still want to know who's dog Louis Vosters shot ?

Maybe Yamaha felt they were paying too much money out to support the team.

philG wrote:

I still want to know who's dog Louis Vosters shot ?

Maybe Yamaha felt they were paying too much money out to support the team.

rym wrote:

I am not sure i understand what Yamaha is doing. * They weaken their teams in EMX250 and MX2 (Hutten is not an improvement over kemea...

I am not sure i understand what Yamaha is doing.

* They weaken their teams in EMX250 and MX2 (Hutten is not an improvement over kemea, and whoever is going to do emx250 isnt an improvement over Hutten)

* I don't think Kemea is an improvement over Wilvo in MXGP

* They lose Seewer & Coldenhoff and replace them with Vlaanderen (nice for Calvin & deserved, but he is not an upgrade). Obviously Geerts will move up, but its unrealistic to expect miracles from him & Yamaha loses a title contender in mx2

* They seem to have lost Gebben in the process

To me it just looks like a lot of moves & ending a bunch of relationships and at the end Yamaha is at best an outsider for a world title in '24?? 

DeStouwer wrote:

A lot of assumptions here. Kemea wasn't considered an improvement when they became the official MX2 factory team, and look at them now. If they will...

A lot of assumptions here.

Kemea wasn't considered an improvement when they became the official MX2 factory team, and look at them now. If they will do better or not as Wilvo will become clear in the future, but I will give them the benefit of the doubt until then. Geerts and Renaux both know "House Kemea" very well and Vlaanderen seems to fit in any team as he's a very professional guy.

Hutten have earned their glory in the past seasons aswell. First as a Yamaha-supported team, later as the official EMX250-team (just like Kemea did a few years before them).

Seewer has been the #1 rider at Yamaha for quite a few years now, and never made it happen. He will be #2 at Kawasaki next year, so maybe a little less pressure will suit him more. But I highly doubt he will ever "make it happen". It's known Yamaha FUBAR'ed last season, so maybe Seewer didn't even wanted to stay.

Losing Gebben is a shame, but I'm actually surprised that a local dealer lasted so long with a fulltime MXGP-team over all those years. Teams with way more resources as Gebben all came and went the past decade (i.e. Suzuki or Aprilia for example), so props to them. Maybe they can become the EMX250-team as Hutten will move up a class?

As for your statement: "they weaken their teams"... Dunno man, but succession is a part of MX. Or any sport for that matter. Seewer decided to leave and Coldenhoff's best days have most probably passed. At first it seemed KTM "weakened" their MX2-team by losing Vialle and Hofer (compulsory) and replaced them with Adamo and Everts. We all know how that turned out for them.

Geerts moves to MXGP, Benistant stays in MX2 and Bonacorsi joins him. As far as I'm concerned, that's the best replacement they could do.

Richard Tease II wrote:

Geerts will be the surprise of MX1 next year. I wouldn't count out many podiums from him.

insider wrote:

The shitshow is unreal to be honest. You couldn’t expect this from any other professional sport except motocross. I can’t understand how Yamaha let this happen...

The shitshow is unreal to be honest. You couldn’t expect this from any other professional sport except motocross. I can’t understand how Yamaha let this happen. Louis invested a serious amount of money in to his team and the structure around it, which he has done with his own money. Rumours go around he have heen putting in a million Euro’s per season in to it, on top of the budget from Yamaha / Monster. On the other hand Louis haven’t been too nice to people behind another team in the paddock which caused them to fold for next season. Who is going to run the EMX 250 program is also still unclear as JWR doesn’t want anymore.

soyMotero wrote:

Who is filling Horgmo spot at FH Kawasaki??

romain524 wrote:

I think Quentin Prugniere is going there

rym wrote:

I am not sure i understand what Yamaha is doing. * They weaken their teams in EMX250 and MX2 (Hutten is not an improvement over kemea...

I am not sure i understand what Yamaha is doing.

* They weaken their teams in EMX250 and MX2 (Hutten is not an improvement over kemea, and whoever is going to do emx250 isnt an improvement over Hutten)

* I don't think Kemea is an improvement over Wilvo in MXGP

* They lose Seewer & Coldenhoff and replace them with Vlaanderen (nice for Calvin & deserved, but he is not an upgrade). Obviously Geerts will move up, but its unrealistic to expect miracles from him & Yamaha loses a title contender in mx2

* They seem to have lost Gebben in the process

To me it just looks like a lot of moves & ending a bunch of relationships and at the end Yamaha is at best an outsider for a world title in '24?? 

Renner153 wrote:

I think you underestimate hutten. From what I know, Benistant liked his hutten bike better than his Kemea bike. And honestly, it doesn’t matter at all...

I think you underestimate hutten. From what I know, Benistant liked his hutten bike better than his Kemea bike. And honestly, it doesn’t matter at all anyways, the bikes will all be Rinaldi Yamahas, just with some different logos on the bikes. Probably won’t looks any different than this year.

Cortami79 wrote:

Guy has a lot of talent. He had a lot of bad luck with - what seemed - bike problems this year. BUD had some really...

Guy has a lot of talent. He had a lot of bad luck with - what seemed - bike problems this year. BUD had some really decent years and I admire that they’re still around after so many years, but it seems like their budget is limited. 
 

Karssemakers is also an option (as a third rider). Would make sense. Second in EMX250, GP experience, Dutch guy, hard working, doesn’t care mentally about tough competition. I think de Reuver can work with that 

rym wrote:

I am not sure i understand what Yamaha is doing. * They weaken their teams in EMX250 and MX2 (Hutten is not an improvement over kemea...

I am not sure i understand what Yamaha is doing.

* They weaken their teams in EMX250 and MX2 (Hutten is not an improvement over kemea, and whoever is going to do emx250 isnt an improvement over Hutten)

* I don't think Kemea is an improvement over Wilvo in MXGP

* They lose Seewer & Coldenhoff and replace them with Vlaanderen (nice for Calvin & deserved, but he is not an upgrade). Obviously Geerts will move up, but its unrealistic to expect miracles from him & Yamaha loses a title contender in mx2

* They seem to have lost Gebben in the process

To me it just looks like a lot of moves & ending a bunch of relationships and at the end Yamaha is at best an outsider for a world title in '24?? 

Renner153 wrote:

I think you underestimate hutten. From what I know, Benistant liked his hutten bike better than his Kemea bike. And honestly, it doesn’t matter at all...

I think you underestimate hutten. From what I know, Benistant liked his hutten bike better than his Kemea bike. And honestly, it doesn’t matter at all anyways, the bikes will all be Rinaldi Yamahas, just with some different logos on the bikes. Probably won’t looks any different than this year.

Cortami79 wrote:

Guy has a lot of talent. He had a lot of bad luck with - what seemed - bike problems this year. BUD had some really...

Guy has a lot of talent. He had a lot of bad luck with - what seemed - bike problems this year. BUD had some really decent years and I admire that they’re still around after so many years, but it seems like their budget is limited. 
 

Karssemakers is also an option (as a third rider). Would make sense. Second in EMX250, GP experience, Dutch guy, hard working, doesn’t care mentally about tough competition. I think de Reuver can work with that 

THE mx addict wrote:

Rumors recently said that Braceras wont be with the team next year...

svankempen wrote:

FIM Grand Prix Teamoverzicht 2024: – Team Red Bull-GasGas-DeCarli Jorge Prado (MXGP) Simon Langenfelder (MX2) Marc-Antione Rossi ? (MX2) - REVO Racing-GasGas Brian Bogers ? (MXGP)...

FIM Grand Prix Teamoverzicht 2024:
– Team Red Bull-GasGas-DeCarli
Jorge Prado (MXGP)
Simon Langenfelder (MX2)
Marc-Antione Rossi ? (MX2)

- REVO Racing-GasGas
Brian Bogers ? (MXGP)
Ethan Lane (MX2)
Billy Askew (EMX250)

– Red Bull-KTM Racing Team
Jeffrey Herlings (MXGP)
Andrea Adamo (MX2)
Liam Everts (MX2)
Sacha Coenen (MX2)

- VRT KTM Factory Junior Team
Cas Valk ? (EMX250)
Jens Walvoort ? (EMX250)

-  KTM Racestore Racing
Gyan Doensen ? (EMX125)
? (EMX125)

- Kosak KTM Racing
Maxi Spies (MXGP)
? (EMX250)
? (EMX125)

- Gabriels-SS24-KTM
Josh Gilbert ? (MXGP)
? (MXGP)

– KEMEA-Monster Energy-Yamaha Racing Team
Jago Geerts (MXGP)
Maxime Renaux (MXGP)
Calvin Vlaanderen (MXGP)

- Hutten Metaal Monster Energy-Yamaha Racing Team
Thibault Benistant ? (MX2)
Rick Elzinga ? (MX2)
Andrea Bonacorsi ? (MX2)

- JWR Yamaha Racing
Kārlis Albert Reišulis ? (EMX250)
Janis Reišulis ? (EMX250)
Ivano van Erp ? (EMX250)

– MJC Yamaha Team
Vitezslav Marek ? (EMX125)
Mauno Faure ? (EMX125)
? (EMX125)
? (EMX125)

– JK Racing-Yamaha
? (MXGP)
? (EMX125)
? (WMX)

- ??-Fantic Factory
? (EMX250)
? (EMX250)
? (EMX125)
? (EMX125)

– Team SM Action-Fantic Factory
David Braceras ? (MX2)
Tom Guyon ? (MX2)

- WILVO-Fantic Factory-MXGP
Glenn Coldenhoff (MXGP)
Roan van de Moosdijk ? (MXGP)

– Kawasaki Racing Team-IceOne Racing
Romain Febvre (MXGP)
Jeremy Seewer (MXGP)

– BikeIt-Kawasaki-Dixon Racing Team
Jack Chambers (MX2)
? (WMX)

– F&H Kawasaki Racing Team
Kay Karssemakers ? (MX2)
Ferruccio Zanchi ? (MX2)
Courtney Duncan ? (WMX)

– BUD Racing-Kawasaki
Benjamin Garib ? (EMX250)
Mathis Valin (EMX250)

– Team HRC-Gariboldi Racing
Tim Gajser (MXGP)
Ruben Fernandez (MXGP)

- Standing Construct Racing-Honda
Pauls Jonass (MXGP)
Alberto Forato ? (MXGP)

- Team Honda SR-Ship2 Cycle-Motoblouz
Valentin Guillod (MXGP)
Kevin Horgmo (MXGP)

- JM Racing-Honda
Quentin Prugnieres ? (MX2)
Hakon Osterhagen ? (MX2)
Brent Van doninck (MXGP)

– Husqvarna-Nestaan Racing
Kay de Wolf (MX2)
Lucas Coenen (MX2)
Mattia Guadagnini ? (MXGP)

- SDM Corse-Husqvarna-Aviometal
? (MXGP)

– Marchetti Racing-Beta Factory
Mitch Evans ? (MXGP)
Ben Watson (MXGP)

- Triumph MX
Mikkel Haarup ? (MX2)
Camden McLellan ? (MX2)

- WZ Racing Team
Oriol Oliver ? (MX2)
? (MX2)
? (EMX250)
? (EMX125)

- PoweredbyJJ Racing Team
? (MX2)
? (WMX)

- Team JP253
Jan Pancar ? (MXGP)

- De Baets Yamaha Team
Benoit Paturel (MXGP)
Bradley Mesters ? (EMX250)
Lotte van Drunen ? (WMX)

- Young Motion Powered by Resa Racing
? (MX2)
? (MX2)

- KTM SILVE Racing Team
? (MXGP)
? (EMX250)

- FMX4Ever Team
Ian Ampoorter (EMX125)
Maximilian Ernecker ? (EMX125)
Harry Seel (EMX125)

- RFME-GasGas-Junior MX Team
? (EMX250)
? (EMX250)
? (EMX125)
? (EMX125)

- Jezyk Racing
? (EMX250)
? (EMX125)
? (EMX85)

- Team Steels Dr Jack-TM Racing
Meico Vettik ? (EMX250)

- Beddini Racing-KTM
Valerio Lata (EMX250)
? (EMX125)

- Husqvarna-BT Racing Team ?
? (EMX250)
? (EMX250)
? (EMX250)

- Motor2000 KTM Team ?
? (EMX125)
? (EMX85)

- Team VHR-Bihr
? (MX2)
? (EMX250)
? (WMX)

- Ducati Maddii Racing
Alessandro Lupino (Italië)

- Tech32 Racing Team
Pierre Goupillon (Frankrijk)
Maxime Lucas (EMX125)
Rafael Mennillo (EMX85)

- ASA United GasGas Team ?
? (MX2)
? (UK)
? (UK)

- KMP Honda Racing
? (ADAC)
? (ADAC)
? (ADAC)

- Millionaire Racing Team
? (EMX Open)
? (EMX Open)
? (WMX)

- KTM SB-Racing ?
Jens Walvoort ? (EMX250)
? (EMX250)
? (EMX250)

- Team 737 Performance-GasGas-Oxmoto
Brice Maylin (France)
Tim Lopes (EX85)
Timotei Cez (E5)

- Caparvi Racing-Yamaha
? (EMX125)
? (EMX250)

- VM Racing Team-SolarPro
Douwe Vanmechgelen ? (EMX125)
Torre Vanmechgelen ? (EMX85)

- Oragno-114 Husqvarna Racing
? (EMX125)
? (EMX125)
? (EMX85)

- Team Sarholz-KTM Germany
? (ADAC)
? (ADAC)

- Team S11 Motorsport-Diana MX
? (EMX250)
? (EMX250)
? (EMX250)
? (EMX250)

- Schmicker Racing-KTM
Alvin Ostlund ? (MXGP)
Mitch Evans ? (MXGP)
William Kleeman ? (MX2)
? (EMX125)

- Pardi Racing
? (EMX125)

- Ceres 71 Racing
? (WMX)

- Peter van de Laar-Yamaha
Shana van der Vlist ? (WMX)
Britt Jans-Beken ? (WMX)

- Team Van Drunen 401 ?
Lotte van Drunen (WMX)

Cortami79 wrote:

Guy has a lot of talent. He had a lot of bad luck with - what seemed - bike problems this year. BUD had some really...

Guy has a lot of talent. He had a lot of bad luck with - what seemed - bike problems this year. BUD had some really decent years and I admire that they’re still around after so many years, but it seems like their budget is limited. 
 

Karssemakers is also an option (as a third rider). Would make sense. Second in EMX250, GP experience, Dutch guy, hard working, doesn’t care mentally about tough competition. I think de Reuver can work with that 

THE mx addict wrote:

Rumors recently said that Braceras wont be with the team next year...

rym wrote:

Prugnieres seems like a good get. I can understand if they let Braceras go, he is still young but tbh i didnt see much improvement during...

Prugnieres seems like a good get. I can understand if they let Braceras go, he is still young but tbh i didnt see much improvement during the season and he isnt riding in a position that F&H is looking for. Imo there are others in EMX250 who would be an improvement.

Karssemakers seems like a nice fit

Boomslang wrote:

Vlaanderen has just announced that the British GP is his last race with his current team. No mention as to who he has signed with for...

Vlaanderen has just announced that the British GP is his last race with his current team. No mention as to who he has signed with for 24.

mrbananaface wrote:

Kemea Yamaha