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Thanks. I would think that in a couple years or so they could get on the board if things go well for them. If they are serious about growing the brand it would make sense for them to go through what they would have to do , to get on board.
I'm not totally sold that they will not let the Varg race. I really can see reasons they would want to let it in and why they would not want it allowed in. Yamaha was able to race their 4 strokes before anybody else. I think that electric MX bikes will provide a bigger advantage for B and C class racers than top pros. The runtime is right there already for most.
Yamaha was on the AMA's board of directors, and was already competing in AMA pro racing, Stark is an outsider, unlikely an outsider will be let in.
That is BS...I mean I hope he gets it then, but FFS, my deposit was 12/25/21 & my delivery has been pushed to 2/15/24.
Was there some form of contract that laid out the terms of sale. If they did and it was agreed ya pay upfront, we will send ya a scooter when we send ya a scooter. Or did they take bunch of 100 dollar deposits. Started building scooters without knowing shit from strained honey about book to bill ratio’s and staying positive cash flow. Since they didn’t use a dealership model. Seems like they would have had contracts with milestones like most engineered hardware so they can stay cash positive. E-bike is pretty much engineered hardware. Reading the comments kinda looks like they took small down payments bottom line went upside down. Now they need money for sourcing and payroll. So now they are asking for money 6-8 months in advance of delivery. Its entertaining reading the comments and batter back and forth.
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Also the four stroke rules were in place before Yamaha raced the yzf400
Lance snail had the ktm lc4 based bike well Before Yamaha, and four strokes had been in 500gps for a while
AMA Pro rules allow the withholding of homologation if they see it's in their best interest...
Get a eMX class for amateur racing first.
See how popular it gets and see the performance on track vs. ICE (lap times/duration).
If it’s more popular, then the manufacturers will sell more. If they sell more than the top Pros will be racing it soon enough.
Let’s use logic here, little Timmy will be racing an eMX bike when he’s older. That’s how the industry is going.
*it’s just a power source to turn the wheels. It’s still fun to ride a two wheeled bike regardless of the power source or sound it makes.
You’re not riding a current ICE bike because of the sound it makes. There will be gas powered chain saws for that (but hurry cause those will be all ePowered soon also).
A class where the cost of entry is $20K. That will go over like the Hindenburg. What are you thinking? Only on Vital.
" your not riding a current ICE bike because of the sound it makes"
Disagree with you there, one of the many reasons I am riding an ICE bike is for the sound ,and the smell !
Possibly more importantly, part of the reason for me WATCHING any kind of racing is the sound.
Have tried watching- formula e , and the Moto e stuff, found all of it boring without the ICE soundtrack.
Try watching a round of Supercross or a national without the sound on. That would be more of a way to accurately see how it might be. But they will not be totally silent.
Watch the Nitro Circus rally car racing from the past couple years . Those are electric. I agree that sound can be a part of it. The lack of engine noise will be able to open up some places that might not be possible to ride in if the noise was there.
And for me the benefits outweigh the losses. Not everybody is going to want to be able to do the things that electric will allow them to do. I just hope that the people who want a Varg, have waited all this time, and have paid in full get their bikes soon.
I wish I could pass on my spot to someone else who wants to wait and presumably get their Stark earlier/cheaper than at a stealership or put their deposit/spot recently. Guess it really doesn't matter since Stark doesn't seem to have a care for the early risers. Maybe I will just get the Triumph instead.
Have done all that, as for the nitro rally cars - saw them live, the most boring racing I have seen - although they are very fast on a stopwatch, the speed does not come across in any way.
Yes there is some situations where there may be benefits , but empty stadiums with a handful of spectators won't be a benefit.
The AMA won't just be considering manufacturers opinions , they also will be considering if electric will be a turn off for paying spectators
Try watching your favourite singer or film with the sound turned down, that's a better comparison
Why would the AMA care about paying spectators? They don't promote professional racing.....
Because they do care about the manufacturers who I would think want to be seen in full stadiums , not empty stadiums ?
Have you tried watching BMX racing or MTB racing. Its pretty rad. Just sayin'...
Not really, if your taking the sound away from MX, how is watching it without the sound not a direct comparison? I'm not a singer , but maybe if I was, it might be similar. But for me, I listen to music mostly for the sound. with MX, sound is only a part of why I loved to ride and race. I loved my CR 250's sound. But as far as 4 strokes go, I could do without their sound.
I bet if You were able to get ahold of some Youtube analytics of MX races , It would not surprise me if 20 to 40% watched them with the sound turned off.
Now that You mention it, I think I've enjoyed a lot of Britney Spears music videos without the sound. And it might have been an improvement on some levels.
The lack of sound could allow for more people to be able to have small tracks in their yards. Or public parks. There are public parks with skateparks and BMX tracks, pumptracks. Plus You'll have the zillions of people that have grown up on Sur-rons and other similar bikes that are possible fans.
It might not blow the sport up, But I doubt that sound will kill it. Look at Red Bull Rampage, Hell the biggest sports in the world do not make loud noises, what if its the loudness that is holding MX back from being bigger than any other sport? I remember as a little kid, parents not wanting to go to races because of the sound.
With all of that said, I love the sound of an F1 car, my old CR 250 on a crisp fall day, the high revving 3 cylinder engine in my SXS . But I would take the style of power that electric can offer in my SXS or if I was still riding on a regular basis. I was close to converting my SXS when the engine blew. I really think that most people would fall in love with the style of power a fast EV can offer.
I am in the same boat. Ordered mine the same day as you. Mine recently switched from November 30th, 2023, to February 15th, 2024.
Funny they pushed back our delivery dates the same day they released a YouTube update about how happy they are with production.
It's amazing if you reserve one today your slated delivery date is September 15th, 2024, Only 6 months after I'm supposed to receive mine and I have been waiting over 2 years. I'm about to pull to plug and give up on mine. That's what stark wants though so they won't have to honor the cheaper prices for the preordered bikes.
It really upsets me that I have attempted to contact them several times about an update on mine and have received zero response.
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Never seen a 50k stadium full to watch them
LOL. At this point any "eMX" class involving the Stark would be like a celebrity race full of social media influencers.
Bonus points would be given for whoever could edit their Youtube video and post it the fastest.
X games gets a decent crowd for the BMX stuff.
I agree with another person on here. Politics aside. The bike as a whole is way too expensive to take a gamble at owning one when you've never ridden an electric bike. Its $4k more expensive than the majority $10K overpriced 450's out there. You could buy 2 decent bikes for that price, hell even 3 bikes total under $14K is easy to find.
Just the fact that you don’t have to shift the bike is more than enough reason to make it illegal for AMA racing.
Proper shifting is an art form and taking it away is a death blow to our sport
Eh this ain’t 1999 anymore.
You’re theory was 100% correct on 2 strokes.
In the era of fuel injected, over powered, traction controlled, start map using 4 bangers I'm not quite sure it’s an art form anymore.
Yup.
The 1975 Rokon Cobra MX340 and Don Kudalski just took their shirts off. So did Arlo Englund and his Husky 420 Automatic.
Everything old is new again in motocross...
Taking shifting away is a death blow? Tell that to the thousands and thousands of Surron riders who never rode a motorcycle in their life before getting on their E-bike, this market is going to do nothing but bring more and more people in. I mean hell, with the flick of a switch I was able to mellow the power out and my girlfriend at the time was able to safely ride it around and have a ton of fun, try doing that with your 250f with someone who has never been exposed to motorcycles before.
Not everyone has to like E-bikes or ride them, but if you're adamantly against them you're going to be in for a world of disappointment and frustration because they aren't going anywhere.
I think there can be plenty of cross over bikes that bring the Surron crowd over. I don’t think we should be making the bikes we race professionally automatic.
And while four strokes make it easier to go faster, most of these kids have built a base on two strokes for years before ever moving up. Oh and they’ve spent their entire life learning to shift. Nothing on a four stroke currently has changed the sport as dramatically as an actually competitive automatic bike would.
I use the analogy all the time when teaching people how to ride that working a dirt bike is akin to playing a double bass drum set. You are constantly using all four limbs to make badass music.
That’s the art form. I’m sure a double bass player could set up a drum machine now a days thanks to tech and never need that 4th foot, but that still doesn’t make it more fun, or better.
Lol no it isn’t
If you think MX has more fans than MTB then you have no clue what you are taking about.
Obviously, never rode DH. You hear more of what the bike is doing without the engine sound. Tires traction and suspension compression and rebounding. You actually hear the bike functioning not just a tuned chain saw pipe note.
I think using sound as a reason to ride is completely “stuck in a rut”. You are riding because it’s a blast to ride a MX bike.
Look at it like this, put kids on a eMX bike and they will have a blast. How can that be possible without sound. 🤡🤡🤡
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