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Believe me, we can perceive the level of conviction you have, that doesn't make it correct though. Neither you or I have any idea what's holding production up, or how to solve it, you're just trying to simplify a potentially very complex issue. If they're having trouble finding workers to fill out their production line then sure, you might have a point, but what if they're having trouble getting enough battery cells? I don't care how much money you have, if they aren't available they aren't available and no E-bike company is building their own battery cells. Or what if there is a shortage of raw materials to make said battery cells, what now? (This is a purely hypothetical scenario to illustrate a point, I have no idea why production is behind) Anton is a smart guy with a very capable staff around him, the fact that you think whatever is holding up production is some sort of trivial issue is honestly a little bit presumptuous, if it was that easy they would have figured it out by now.
You know as well as I do as a manufacturer of a product you build in your lead times on every single item needed to manufacture your product. It's business 101. But to circle back around the bigger question is why they are asking for payment in full but not delivering when they say they will?
That’s pretty bad.
Does that include Athena, ProX, Cometic and others or just OEM for the gaskets and pistons? I’m huge on OEM parts for most things, but I wouldn’t hesitate to use Cometic, ProX or Athena gaskets, pistons and a few other things like that.
RockyMountain has full OEM A, B, C and D top end kits including rings in stock right now.
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Sounds like a Madoff type investment model. Everything rolls along fine until the money(sales) slows down or stops coming in.
I would check out wossner very high quality Pistons in stock for the 300!
How did a thread about Stark E Bikes end up talking about ordering piston kits? lol
It went from bikes not being delivered to KTM not having parts but releasing new bikes to Yamaha not having rings and me trying to help those guys. My bad Tahoe!
Attention span on vital is not it's strong suit probably too many concussions LOL
After my talks with a few people now it is clear that Stark has not been making deliveries based upon order date or payments. Some people are getting the bikes sooner than others who ordered or paid prior. My guess is that most of this is due to Stark wanting to help shops sell bikes and get into the business. So, because I requested to have my bike shipped directly to my house, I got put back on the list even though I paid in late June. One shop I spoke to said they did not even sign a deal with Stark until the spring and yet they got bikes already. It seems to me Stark needs to be more transparent with their intentions as most of us were under the impression that we would get our bikes based upon our order date and our payment date.
Glad I could derail this thread with some 2 stroke stupidity…
Maybe apply for a job
Without knowing what the exact dealer contract involves to become a dealer it would not surprise me if in the contract negotiations dealers could place and order for X number of display/test ride bikes for customers to ride creating interest in buying one prior to dealers receiving the retail bikes for retail sales.
Its very complicated but New businesses all have to create demand for a product and their own Supply chain for delivering the goods to customers internationally. Every dirt bike manufacturer has been there at one time.
That's a bummer.
Are you sure they’re providing dealers bikes to sell currently, not just demo units? As far as I was aware there would not be bikes at dealers for sale until all pre-orders have been met, but maybe that’s changed. If so that’s a little messed up for all of us that pre-ordered.
Ya of course, in a perfect world you would do just that, but for anyone living in the real world the past few years it’s been anything but that! Unless you are a perfectly vertically integrated business you have been effected by this, and we can debate the causes all day long but the bottom line is everyone has been in the same boat, that’s an undeniable fact. Stark produces a highly complex product and requires inputs from many different suppliers of finished parts, this isn’t a simple business with only a handful of small suppliers insulated from global supply disruptions, it’s a very complex web of suppliers, suppliers for those suppliers, and maybe even suppliers for the supplier’s suppliers.
As for why they’re asking for payment before delivery, neither you nor I have any idea or ability to prove it one way or another so it’s pointless to debate it. I personally don’t believe that they are using new order funds to build bikes for previous orders, but I have no way to prove that just like you have no way to prove that they are.
They are back ordered for the next 2 years, why would they waste bikes on demo units for dealers, when the customers at these dealers won't even be able to buy the bikes?
They are demo bikes and delivery bikes. However, if you ordered a bike after I did and paid after I did then you should not had gotten your bike in July, and I am still waiting. Yes, I am sure dealers have some negotiating power but my point to Stark is to be transparent. If you really want the dealers to get business transactions, then just call me and say we want your new bike to be delivered to a local dealer. I am flexible and understanding to a point. To me this is easy, post a list or when you put in a deposit up give a position number. Then hold to it as best possible based upon payment completion.
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Valid point! I think they are more worried about going public or investment money than filling their pre-orders. We all know if you go into a dealership and buy a bike and they say "It will be 1.5 years" the buyer will walk right? That means that Stark would most likely fill those orders before some of the pre-orders because they do not want to lose the relationship with the dealer.
If only you had a YouTube channel and “influencer” status, you’d already have a Stark or two and a free vacation to Spain!
Mr. AC,
Have to disagree with you on this one. This last few years have been challenging to say the least for things you rely on vendors from. I can tell you what I have seen. Just 2 examples, bonding glue from 3M with a 5 month lead time that used to be, and is now again readily available. Locktite, that was readily available, vendor had a 9 month lead time. 😳 I could go on with many more things but you should get the picture. And all these things you don't find out till you're ready to order.
USA Supply chain has greatly affected my products in both time by several months plus HUGE price increases!
Must not have been an AMA track. Now we need two bikes to finish a race.
If there are 18,000 in waiting I want to know who thinks they can deliver that many at 1 time. If they are coming as slow as it looks it could be 2 years.
So they can take more back orders of coarse.
One thing that was an issue and I don't know if it got resolved was how Stark was going to be able to sell a bike straight to an individual. Most states that is not allowed and they were having to work through each state to get that sorted out. I was told that Tesla is the only company that can currently sell that way. Stark was in a big hurry to set up dealers because those preorders were going to have to go through a dealership.
I just thought of a good reason for delivering demo bikes to dealers before delivering large amounts of the preorders.
Training the Service dept on real bikes. Giving them a real bike to be able to work on and get to know the bike. Working on it in their shops with their tools, etc. It could be dealer training as much as it being for dealers to allow demo rides. That might make sense in a way. I could be totally wrong too.But it makes sense to want to have dealers be familiar with working on the bikes so if somebody needs help with their Varg , the dealer is not practicing on customers bikes.
Yes, I am not sure about that issue either, but they did charge me sales tax. However, if this is an issue they should had told me and let me have a dealer deliver it.
Yes, I can see that point of view. However, they should tell everyone they are doing this and be transparent about it. I don't think most of us mind if people are being honest with us.
It's called a counter-fire.
Great way to reward the very first people to put their trust in your company and product.
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