Triumph September, maybe?

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Gator724 wrote:
Might have missed it.. but how do they plan on racing this bike in sx this year? Thought they had to sell 500 units for it...

Might have missed it.. but how do they plan on racing this bike in sx this year? Thought they had to sell 500 units for it to be homologated ?

In order to be homologated they need to have 400 units in dealerships by a certain date.

I think it's 200 by March and the other 200 by June or July. 

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8/17/2023 8:46pm

Rule 1.1 of the rule book is the homologation rule

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8/17/2023 11:25pm Edited Date/Time 8/17/2023 11:44pm
aeffertz wrote:
Okay, so I was comparing it to the new KTM motors. The older, 2022 clutch cover does line up exactly. And now looking back more at...

Okay, so I was comparing it to the new KTM motors. The older, 2022 clutch cover does line up exactly.

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And now looking back more at the old engine style, I can see a lot more similarities. I've been comparing it to the 2022.5+ motors. 🤦‍♂️
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If they based it off the previous generation KTM engines that were notoriously lacking in power compared to the other factory teams, that is extremely unfortunate. 

Me too, despite looking at the older engine frequently in my own old banger 350, I naturally went to the new KTM engine for comparison 😂

I'm not gonna be upset about it and until we see deeper data and details I'm still hopeful.

The Euro MX2 KTMs went well with the old motor.

Of course Triumph can't sell consumer bikes with factory engines or requiring race gas, but it's not a stretch to think they could add to the performance.

Look what Twisted and similar can do with an ECU that lets them alter map files comprehensively, and then add in some porting or machining and choice changes to piston or cam spec or internal gearing... It can absolutely still be a solid package.

But still, nothing ground breaking yet besides maybe the shock tower portion of the frame, but revision of what works is often better than a full redesign.

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Also something to think about is that Bobby and Scuba will be VERY familiar with that engine if it is simply the old gen KTM engine...

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Also something to think about is that Bobby and Scuba will be VERY familiar with that engine if it is simply the old gen KTM engine...

First interview with the Triumph Factory Team at A1:

Hey Bobby, tell us about your team and the new bike!

Bobby: Well, Scuba, myself and a bunch of retired moto guys were given a few bucks to built up the Triumph Factory Team. Budget was tight and most of it went into marketing, but we managed to find a work shop in England with a pretty good welder that does our frames and we found some replica KTM engines from Asia that are pretty fast. So bikes should be good!

 

Sorry, couldn’t resist..

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So many paste eaters in here knocking a bike they probably couldn't even afford. Personally im delighted someone new is trying to enter our sport. Hope they knock it out the park. 

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Also something to think about is that Bobby and Scuba will be VERY familiar with that engine if it is simply the old gen KTM engine...

#434 wrote:
First interview with the Triumph Factory Team at A1: Hey Bobby, tell us about your team and the new bike! Bobby: Well, Scuba, myself and a...

First interview with the Triumph Factory Team at A1:

Hey Bobby, tell us about your team and the new bike!

Bobby: Well, Scuba, myself and a bunch of retired moto guys were given a few bucks to built up the Triumph Factory Team. Budget was tight and most of it went into marketing, but we managed to find a work shop in England with a pretty good welder that does our frames and we found some replica KTM engines from Asia that are pretty fast. So bikes should be good!

 

Sorry, couldn’t resist..

Dude, you sure gave Goldmember and others a ton of crap for pissing on the Stark in the other thread, yet here you are being a douche in the Triumph thread over and over.  Goldmember hack your account?

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Also something to think about is that Bobby and Scuba will be VERY familiar with that engine if it is simply the old gen KTM engine...

#434 wrote:
First interview with the Triumph Factory Team at A1: Hey Bobby, tell us about your team and the new bike! Bobby: Well, Scuba, myself and a...

First interview with the Triumph Factory Team at A1:

Hey Bobby, tell us about your team and the new bike!

Bobby: Well, Scuba, myself and a bunch of retired moto guys were given a few bucks to built up the Triumph Factory Team. Budget was tight and most of it went into marketing, but we managed to find a work shop in England with a pretty good welder that does our frames and we found some replica KTM engines from Asia that are pretty fast. So bikes should be good!

 

Sorry, couldn’t resist..

Muzzle wrote:
Dude, you sure gave Goldmember and others a ton of crap for pissing on the Stark in the other thread, yet here you are being a...

Dude, you sure gave Goldmember and others a ton of crap for pissing on the Stark in the other thread, yet here you are being a douche in the Triumph thread over and over.  Goldmember hack your account?

I think there’s a slight difference in me mocking the fact that a renowned company announces a new and innovative mx bike and then presenting a bike with a KTM replica engine from Asia and others spinning conspiracy theories in the Stark threads. But okay, I’m going to dial it down a notch. 

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And BTW: Goldmember is RobertCoates350 now 

8/20/2023 4:39am
stremme12 wrote:

Kawasaki made quite a few changes to the 06 motor. It was not the same as the Suzuki. 

Sandusky26 wrote:
They updated some internal parts for the 06 bike, but it was still the same basic design. Had one the seized the intake cam at 5...

They updated some internal parts for the 06 bike, but it was still the same basic design.

Had one the seized the intake cam at 5 hours.

stremme12 wrote:

Sure. It was still not the same motor as Suzuki. 

Can you list the changes?

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Nope.  the 06 KXF & RMZ had the same motors.  the KXF went to an Aluminium frame that year though.    then in 07, Suzuki went...

Nope. 
the 06 KXF & RMZ had the same motors. 
the KXF went to an Aluminium frame that year though. 
 

then in 07, Suzuki went Aluminium frsme and changed the engine. Whilst kawasaki continued on with the same engine.

colintrax wrote:

No.

wwdiii wrote:

This argument should be settled with a dance off....................Cod pieces not allowed!

Cod pieces? like throwing battered fish at someone in an Irish pub or just what kind of cod pieces are we talking about?

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Sandusky26 wrote:
They updated some internal parts for the 06 bike, but it was still the same basic design. Had one the seized the intake cam at 5...

They updated some internal parts for the 06 bike, but it was still the same basic design.

Had one the seized the intake cam at 5 hours.

stremme12 wrote:

Sure. It was still not the same motor as Suzuki. 

Can you list the changes?

No but I'm sure you could research it and find out. I don't know off the top of my head. 

8/20/2023 8:21am

Can anyone confirm the Triumph 250 bore diameter is 81 mm?

 

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Can anyone confirm the Triumph 250 bore diameter is 81 mm?

 

Can confirm your a tool. 

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8/24/2023 9:36am Edited Date/Time 8/24/2023 9:40am

Wonder if they bought Blake Baggett’s old place, El Chupacabra Ranch, down in Florida? The dirt and scenery look familiar and there’s a ton of infrastructure already built for a moto facility someone with big bucks could take advantage of.

 
 

 

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8/24/2023 9:57am Edited Date/Time 8/24/2023 10:25am
aeffertz wrote:
Wonder if they bought Blake Baggett’s old place, El Chupacabra Ranch, down in Florida? The dirt and scenery look familiar and there’s a ton of infrastructure...

Wonder if they bought Blake Baggett’s old place, El Chupacabra Ranch, down in Florida? The dirt and scenery look familiar and there’s a ton of infrastructure already built for a moto facility someone with big bucks could take advantage of.

 
 

 

No. They bought Matt Walker's place. 

Edit: Matt leases the land to Triumph. 

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RC : *15 Time SMX Champion*

I'm not, and never ever would dispute RCs genius, and records, but I fear the subsuming of Championships for the sake of marketing. 

This year will be the 1st SMX Championship(s). 

 

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