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What’s intriguing is why it is this deep into the season before they sort out some things on a new chassis.
They adjusted the clickers, swapped the pull rods and changed the ignition curve for that little extra torque.
here, have a sticker.
Tomac not being outside is terrible. I'd rather see him there than SX....
Pretty crazy that the solution was just to put the stock shit back on. I mean it makes a lot of sense, the bike was literally engineered to work with the oem suspension. Sometimes I feel like the teams throw on a bunch of the “trick” stuff not because they tested it and found that it worked better through testing, but because its just what theyre supposed to use. If they had just started out on the stock bike and went from there they never would have had this problem because once they put the bad suspension on they would have been able to feel they were going the wrong way.
What this tells me is theyre not ever riding the stock bike and when the racers get their base starting point it already has A kit suspension on the bike and other factory parts. This makes it so theyre never really starting from square one and could already be way off before they ever started. I specifically remember an interview cooper webb did talking about why he liked his star 450 so much more than the factory yamaha 450 and he said it was because they literally werent allowed to even ride the stock bike and had to start with all of the aftermarket stuff on it at factory yamaha. It sounds like the advantage star had then theyve forgotten about and are making the exact same mistakes as yamaha was. Luckily theyve finally figured out something for dylan, but holy crap they just wasted an entire season jackin around when they had the answer all along. Alot of these teams get stuck in their ways (ahem ktm) and would really be served well by just starting out with a stock bike and going from there.
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I don't think Coop was ever on a Star 450.
Hahahaha!!! Great post!!!
I think he raced it at mxon and possibly another race?
No strobe lights in his eyes.
I heard he had a new wiggle bearing for the wobble stick! 🤷🏼♂️
Yep. It isn't right that the guy that's most likely going to finish 2nd or 3rd in the championship doesn't have a ride next season.
Older YZF swingarm.
It makes sense because of Webb's supercross abilities but pretty tough to let a guy that good get away.
The US team has been on the older/longer swingarm since even the last-gen bike.
Possibly going to HEP Suzuki. Trying to make that work.
He also could go to Triumph to race 250 MX only in 2024, and then 450 SX & MX in 2025 when they introduce their 450 model.
Thought the same. I agee with DV's point he made on a pulp a few weeks ago. The bike has looked way too low in the rear all year. I am no setup genius obvs lol but it was a noticeable difference between his bike and everyone elses how low it was in the shock and high in the forks.
This "mod" of getting the rear wheel as far back as possible seems common on Honda Suzuki, and now Yamha. Makes me wonder why these manufacturers insist on a shorter wheelbase.
On my 22 CRF450, I tried it further forward and all the way back. Forward was extremely uncomfortable... Felt like I was riding a unicycle. All the way back the bike felt way more stable and planted than stock, so I left it.
Idk, but in last weeks first moto, when Dylan finished seconds behind Jett, Dylan’s rear fender, looked a lot more busy than Jett’s. Once again, Jett looked like he’s on a 50% effort Sunday ride, while Dylan looks like he’s out for blood. As Sexton looks beat down, like he is succumbing to the inevitable, I wouldn’t sleep on Dylan. Like RC said, there is no one technique that works right for everyone.
In 2016 when he was a 250 rider he got picked to race MXON and they made him team captain and had him race the 450. Since at the time he was on star they were the ones that built him the 450. He rode pretty good scoring 4th his first race and then battling for 3rd/4th before crashing and getting 10th. Anderson also beat Herlings that day and won the race before the japanese rider landed on his head on the finish line.
Webb looked really good on that star 450 in outdoors, much better than he has looked at any time outdoors since then, and in interviews since he has said the star 450 was way better than the factory yamaha. He said that factory yamaha never let him ride the stock bike and it had to have certain parts/settings that he didnt gel with and they would not change. Thats why he has never said the yz450 was bad, he actually said he liked it, its just that factory yamaha was a bad team. Now that star is the 450 team he remembers how much he liked the star 450 over the factory yamaha.
Heres a picture of the 2016 mxon team, note the star sticker on his front fender of webbs yzf450.
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If memory serves me correctly that Star Yamaha was just a stock bike with bump sticks and a squat rod. The engine was basically stock and when you added power that chassis is when you ran into issue
When you look at the bikes, Tomac and Dylans are marked the same. Cooper different. Did anyone notice if Dylans was marked different at that race?
Marked?
That could be true about that bike in particular but that sentiment about “this bike can’t handle any additional power” is what the Factory Yamaha team said about the bike at the time but it didn’t really ring true once Star took over. Star approached the bike differently and built the strongest motor they could first and then worked the chassis to make it work and feel comfortable for the riders. Tomac and Ferrandis both crushed it on the previous generation Yamaha under the Star tent.
It might be that he's using Factory Connection Suspension guy now and not Star in house guy nor KYB guy anymore...
I agree with you man and it was very noticeable wasn't it, but it wasn't a choice as such was it, I think they said a couple of times that it was the only way he could find the stability he wanted, so it was a really sub-optimal compromise the chassis/rest of the setup at the time.made necessary, which is pretty unfortunate for Dylan.
I'd be interested to hear the sag numbers, bet it was wild if it was so blatant to the eye 😂
That's Mike H the FC R&D guy..........Canadian (speaks French) He's been at it a looooooong time.
That pic is a 250 with white plates
Yep that was part deuce of it all. That is what made Star so good so quickly because they did not handicap the riders due to sponsorship
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