Is motocross ready for prime time?

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731chopper wrote:
This sport will never be main stream. Never. If that’s what you’re expecting then you’re just going to constantly be let down and looking to blame...

This sport will never be main stream. Never. If that’s what you’re expecting then you’re just going to constantly be let down and looking to blame something. 

Yep just enjoy what we have. 

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8/13/2023 9:34am
Regis wrote:

Exactly.

Deja New wrote:
It’s a sport anyone can go buy a bike and 1000’s of us have and do…. Can’t buy a F1 car buy the promotion and glam...

It’s a sport anyone can go buy a bike and 1000’s of us have and do…. Can’t buy a F1 car buy the promotion and glam put to it has millions watching MX/SX has what it takes just needs a better styled promotion…. Just my unasked for 2c

Regis wrote:
Most adults drive a car though. May not be F1 but it’s a connection.   MX’ers are a special breed. Especially us that love it enough...

Most adults drive a car though. May not be F1 but it’s a connection.

 

MX’ers are a special breed. Especially us that love it enough to post on a message board about it.

 

I agree with this take.

I'm also not sure why anyone of us would even care if our sport becomes mainstream or not. 

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8/13/2023 10:20am

We need to stop using the global stage to allow past “hero’s” chances to grow and possibly learn to announce. You either have it or you don’t

Will be nice when we get Adam in there and get James to simmer down with the cryptic analogies that most people can’t relate. 1 or 2 is fine but everyone comment doesn’t have to have a subtle joke intertwined. 

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JustMX wrote:
Sitting here watching first motos and a lot of the time the TV announcers and color commentators are about drowned out by the track announcers. Is...

Sitting here watching first motos and a lot of the time the TV announcers and color commentators are about drowned out by the track announcers.

Is this really the best we can do?

Maybe find someplace for rc to talk that there isn't a speaker facing him.

Even Jason and James are difficult to understand sometimes.

You guys have only been the production team since disc brakes got paired with knobby tires.

Maybe go take a beginner film class at your local community College or something......anything.....

It is embarrassing......

 

Agree. They all need to take a course in situational awareness

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8/13/2023 11:19am

Just make the Announcers David Vuillemin and Phil Nicolletti and the trackside guy Ruttlidge wood and it'll be prime in no time!

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8/13/2023 2:28pm

I just wish they would change the camera angles. Watch a video from Tommy tenders or any of the independent people putting out videos and it looks so much faster and bigger. Kid in WI puts out videos of the local races that put the national broadcast to shame. I understand they can’t do it for the entire moto but could highlight sections of the track with quality camera angles

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8/13/2023 3:56pm

So many hot Rutledge Wood takes! Congrats, guys. Pulitzer Prizes on the way to all of you!

I'd like to have color commentators who have some education in broadcasting, or at least excelled in high school. Their butchering of the English language is distracting. Ricky is a modern-day Yogi Berra, and James isn't far behind. Neither is a David Bailey.

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We will never know now that FELD and MX Sports went for the money of streaming over growing the sport on network TV. 

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Roczoff wrote:
So many hot Rutledge Wood takes! Congrats, guys. Pulitzer Prizes on the way to all of you! I'd like to have color commentators who have some...

So many hot Rutledge Wood takes! Congrats, guys. Pulitzer Prizes on the way to all of you!

I'd like to have color commentators who have some education in broadcasting, or at least excelled in high school. Their butchering of the English language is distracting. Ricky is a modern-day Yogi Berra, and James isn't far behind. Neither is a David Bailey.

You mean "One linded", if that's how that's even spelled. come on man, that even made me cringe and I have hit my head a few times in my lifetime.

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8/13/2023 6:04pm
Roczoff wrote:
So many hot Rutledge Wood takes! Congrats, guys. Pulitzer Prizes on the way to all of you! I'd like to have color commentators who have some...

So many hot Rutledge Wood takes! Congrats, guys. Pulitzer Prizes on the way to all of you!

I'd like to have color commentators who have some education in broadcasting, or at least excelled in high school. Their butchering of the English language is distracting. Ricky is a modern-day Yogi Berra, and James isn't far behind. Neither is a David Bailey.

Yeah, Yogi-isms are still used today, he is a folk legend. I will take what we have now over these so called pros like Diffey, etc who are boring AF. Most MXers are common folk, not English language scholars. 

8/13/2023 6:10pm
JustMX wrote:
i am not bitching about the announcers. I am bitching about the clueless individuals that set up spots for talking heads and do not even consider...

i am not bitching about the announcers.

I am bitching about the clueless individuals that set up spots for talking heads and do not even consider where the track speakers are in relation to their mics.

It is beyond amateur.

It is incompetence.

Joe, unfortunately right now incompetence and clueless people are are in an abundance right now. so this may be a tall task to ask.

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8/13/2023 6:12pm
731chopper wrote:
This sport will never be main stream. Never. If that’s what you’re expecting then you’re just going to constantly be let down and looking to blame...

This sport will never be main stream. Never. If that’s what you’re expecting then you’re just going to constantly be let down and looking to blame something. 

mxb2 wrote:

Yep just enjoy what we have. 

X3. Outside of more money for the riders by it getting mainstream popularity, I really don't care or give it a second thought. There's more than enough fans and big enough lines to wait in at the Nationals I go to. And I go to a lot. I enjoy the sport just the way it is

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No reason mx can't be as popular as Nascar once was. Many of those races were hours long snooze fests.

 

All the energy and resources that goes into the countless vlogs needs to be directed to personal interest docuseries that finds its way onto major streaming platform. You don't have to know how to ride a motorcycle to relate to hard work, toughness, pain, sacrifice,  disappointment, etc. These kind of series have sucked people into thinking country club sports like golf and tennis are interesting and hard. I think a well done and promoted series such as that would be wildly popular. They'd also sell motorcycles faster than anything the manufacturers do currently. 

 

Broadcasts have to be better. Find me another sport that puts talking heads front and center who couldn't pass 6th grade English class. It's unserious and embarrassing. 

 

Track design and prep should be focused on one thing and one thing only. Racing. Stop trying to impress everyone with the biggest jump, deepest ruts, so gnarly, blah blah blah..... prep it to promote multiple lines and racing and then show the battles on screen. 

 

Focus on the 450 class and stop giving equal time and relatively equal pay to both classes. 250 should be true feeder class with guys desperate to get out ASAP.. There should be no confusion about which class is premiere and desired class to be in. 

 

And finally, any documentary or broadcast should promote the hell out of fantasy and gambling. Beg some online book to take action on the racing and suck people into that as well. Lot of people out there who have never played football and can't tell you anything about the game but love to have some skin in the game with fantasy or a few bets.

 

Yes I would happily accept position as czar of the sport if offered to me. 

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Mit12 wrote:

We will never know now that FELD and MX Sports went for the money of streaming over growing the sport on network TV. 

1) The sport was on traditional cable channels for decades and never saw explosive growth.

2) Unadilla second motos were live on NBC.

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8/13/2023 6:55pm
yak651 wrote:
I just wish they would change the camera angles. Watch a video from Tommy tenders or any of the independent people putting out videos and it...

I just wish they would change the camera angles. Watch a video from Tommy tenders or any of the independent people putting out videos and it looks so much faster and bigger. Kid in WI puts out videos of the local races that put the national broadcast to shame. I understand they can’t do it for the entire moto but could highlight sections of the track with quality camera angles

I must be blocked from seeing any of those videos. I can’t think of anyone that’s put out something from a local d16 race that was worth watching. 

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8/13/2023 7:33pm
truck wrote:
No reason mx can't be as popular as Nascar once was. Many of those races were hours long snooze fests.   All the energy and resources...

No reason mx can't be as popular as Nascar once was. Many of those races were hours long snooze fests.

 

All the energy and resources that goes into the countless vlogs needs to be directed to personal interest docuseries that finds its way onto major streaming platform. You don't have to know how to ride a motorcycle to relate to hard work, toughness, pain, sacrifice,  disappointment, etc. These kind of series have sucked people into thinking country club sports like golf and tennis are interesting and hard. I think a well done and promoted series such as that would be wildly popular. They'd also sell motorcycles faster than anything the manufacturers do currently. 

 

Broadcasts have to be better. Find me another sport that puts talking heads front and center who couldn't pass 6th grade English class. It's unserious and embarrassing. 

 

Track design and prep should be focused on one thing and one thing only. Racing. Stop trying to impress everyone with the biggest jump, deepest ruts, so gnarly, blah blah blah..... prep it to promote multiple lines and racing and then show the battles on screen. 

 

Focus on the 450 class and stop giving equal time and relatively equal pay to both classes. 250 should be true feeder class with guys desperate to get out ASAP.. There should be no confusion about which class is premiere and desired class to be in. 

 

And finally, any documentary or broadcast should promote the hell out of fantasy and gambling. Beg some online book to take action on the racing and suck people into that as well. Lot of people out there who have never played football and can't tell you anything about the game but love to have some skin in the game with fantasy or a few bets.

 

Yes I would happily accept position as czar of the sport if offered to me. 

Most of your points are solid but the one about the 250 class is pretty garbage. It has for years produced much of the best racing and excitement. More racing and exposure means more sponsors, more eyeballs, more attendance, more money in the sport. You will never convince me that just the 450 class alone is enough. 
 

Shunning one class is not a long term solution

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truck wrote:
No reason mx can't be as popular as Nascar once was. Many of those races were hours long snooze fests.   All the energy and resources...

No reason mx can't be as popular as Nascar once was. Many of those races were hours long snooze fests.

 

All the energy and resources that goes into the countless vlogs needs to be directed to personal interest docuseries that finds its way onto major streaming platform. You don't have to know how to ride a motorcycle to relate to hard work, toughness, pain, sacrifice,  disappointment, etc. These kind of series have sucked people into thinking country club sports like golf and tennis are interesting and hard. I think a well done and promoted series such as that would be wildly popular. They'd also sell motorcycles faster than anything the manufacturers do currently. 

 

Broadcasts have to be better. Find me another sport that puts talking heads front and center who couldn't pass 6th grade English class. It's unserious and embarrassing. 

 

Track design and prep should be focused on one thing and one thing only. Racing. Stop trying to impress everyone with the biggest jump, deepest ruts, so gnarly, blah blah blah..... prep it to promote multiple lines and racing and then show the battles on screen. 

 

Focus on the 450 class and stop giving equal time and relatively equal pay to both classes. 250 should be true feeder class with guys desperate to get out ASAP.. There should be no confusion about which class is premiere and desired class to be in. 

 

And finally, any documentary or broadcast should promote the hell out of fantasy and gambling. Beg some online book to take action on the racing and suck people into that as well. Lot of people out there who have never played football and can't tell you anything about the game but love to have some skin in the game with fantasy or a few bets.

 

Yes I would happily accept position as czar of the sport if offered to me. 

zehn wrote:
Most of your points are solid but the one about the 250 class is pretty garbage. It has for years produced much of the best racing...

Most of your points are solid but the one about the 250 class is pretty garbage. It has for years produced much of the best racing and excitement. More racing and exposure means more sponsors, more eyeballs, more attendance, more money in the sport. You will never convince me that just the 450 class alone is enough. 
 

Shunning one class is not a long term solution

Name for me the other racing series or sport in general for that matter that is both widely successful and doesn't have a clear delineation between the top series and the one below it? The point is to take that quality racing and excitement and concentrate it in one class that can be easily consumed in a 2-3 hour time window. 20-30 guys with high levels of support in the same premiere class instead of 10 and then 30 guys you know have no chance at a podium. 

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truck wrote:
Name for me the other racing series or sport in general for that matter that is both widely successful and doesn't have a clear delineation between...

Name for me the other racing series or sport in general for that matter that is both widely successful and doesn't have a clear delineation between the top series and the one below it? The point is to take that quality racing and excitement and concentrate it in one class that can be easily consumed in a 2-3 hour time window. 20-30 guys with high levels of support in the same premiere class instead of 10 and then 30 guys you know have no chance at a podium. 

Yes, but you presuppose the factories and teams would provide 'high levels' of support to 30 guys in the premier class.  What is more likely is that they would just put more resources in, and pay higher salaries and bonuses, to the top 10 riders.  

It's important to remember that the manufacturers are involved ultimately to sell their products. They are trying to sell 250s and 450s, so will put resources into doing so. Hence, they're not going to take their promotional budget away from a sizable part of their product. 

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JustMX wrote:
i am not bitching about the announcers. I am bitching about the clueless individuals that set up spots for talking heads and do not even consider...

i am not bitching about the announcers.

I am bitching about the clueless individuals that set up spots for talking heads and do not even consider where the track speakers are in relation to their mics.

It is beyond amateur.

It is incompetence.

Joe, unfortunately right now incompetence and clueless people are are in an abundance right now. so this may be a tall task to ask.

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8/13/2023 10:58pm

Reality is motocross will never be prime time for a simple reason: Relatability.

How many boys/girls grew up playing baseball, playing football, or drive a car versus riding a motorcycle?

No one watches it because, unlike Xgames with quick highlights, its too long and rather boring sometimes to watch. and Unlike Nascar or baseball, no one can relate to moto because no one rides. No one cares that these athletes are top tier versus any other athlete in the world, or that theyre navigating insane courses at unbelievable speeds. No one gets its, no one understands it. and what few do, we're already here at the party. 

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8/14/2023 9:43am

If it's on my TV I'll watch it. If it's not, I'll watch something else or watch some reels or something. Showing one Moto and not the other just ruins the experience for me

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8/14/2023 10:48am

To those who don't ride, Motocross is a lot like Mud Bogs, Lawnmower Racing, Monster Trucks, etc. An interesting thing to look at for a few minutes if you have nothing better to do, but not important in the grand scheme of things. You might look at it with your family at a gathering and make jokes about "those crazy guys who run each other over in the dirt." 

That said, there's room to improve on the broadcast. I, too, noticed a moment when the track announcer was blaring over the loudspeakers and getting picked up on RC's mic. I felt like I could hear the track announcer better than Ricky. 

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