"The Deegan family has always been cheating!"

7/25/2023 8:03pm Edited Date/Time 7/25/2023 8:08pm
ML512 wrote:
Something to note, the podium of both classes were drug tested at RedBud (I was present when they were pulling riders). This included Haiden Deegan and...

Something to note, the podium of both classes were drug tested at RedBud (I was present when they were pulling riders). This included Haiden Deegan and all riders passed.

I’m not saying anyone is/isn’t using PEDs, but this day and age with ped technology, event day testing is useless. 
 

 You can have EPO out of your system on a set date, and still have all the benefits for months. 
 

 You can dose test/HGH on Monday, and have it undetectable on Saturday.  There’s a lot of ways to mask test/HGH. 
 

 One of the biggest ways to mask steroids is secretion inhibitors, but they can effect your stomach by acting like food poisoning, or irritable bowel syndrome, look over the past and see how many riders have had those issues and that will answer a lot of questions. 

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This really isnt a big deal but it is against the rules  your only allowed one person to accompany you to the starting gate .. Its...

This really isnt a big deal but it is against the rules  your only allowed one person to accompany you to the starting gate .. Its funny how Deegan has two ...Brian and his mechanic equals two ...

I noticed this too, it also looks like he wears a team headset as well 

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UpTiTe wrote:
I’m not saying anyone is/isn’t using PEDs, but this day and age with ped technology, event day testing is useless.     You can have EPO out...

I’m not saying anyone is/isn’t using PEDs, but this day and age with ped technology, event day testing is useless. 
 

 You can have EPO out of your system on a set date, and still have all the benefits for months. 
 

 You can dose test/HGH on Monday, and have it undetectable on Saturday.  There’s a lot of ways to mask test/HGH. 
 

 One of the biggest ways to mask steroids is secretion inhibitors, but they can effect your stomach by acting like food poisoning, or irritable bowel syndrome, look over the past and see how many riders have had those issues and that will answer a lot of questions. 

Yep. Urine tests aren't as effective as people might think. 

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7/25/2023 8:55pm Edited Date/Time 7/25/2023 9:24pm
mjones7212 wrote:
This really isnt a big deal but it is against the rules  your only allowed one person to accompany you to the starting gate .. Its...

This really isnt a big deal but it is against the rules  your only allowed one person to accompany you to the starting gate .. Its funny how Deegan has two ...Brian and his mechanic equals two ...

I noticed this too, it also looks like he wears a team headset as well 

Each rider can be issued up to two mechanic's credentials per event.

But only one mechanic per rider gets a "Signal Pass" sticker that allows them to be in the official signaling (pit board) area.

But- AMA Pro Racing is maybe flexible on this at their discretion, depending on who you are.

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ML512 wrote:
Something to note, the podium of both classes were drug tested at RedBud (I was present when they were pulling riders). This included Haiden Deegan and...

Something to note, the podium of both classes were drug tested at RedBud (I was present when they were pulling riders). This included Haiden Deegan and all riders passed.

UpTiTe wrote:
I’m not saying anyone is/isn’t using PEDs, but this day and age with ped technology, event day testing is useless.     You can have EPO out...

I’m not saying anyone is/isn’t using PEDs, but this day and age with ped technology, event day testing is useless. 
 

 You can have EPO out of your system on a set date, and still have all the benefits for months. 
 

 You can dose test/HGH on Monday, and have it undetectable on Saturday.  There’s a lot of ways to mask test/HGH. 
 

 One of the biggest ways to mask steroids is secretion inhibitors, but they can effect your stomach by acting like food poisoning, or irritable bowel syndrome, look over the past and see how many riders have had those issues and that will answer a lot of questions. 

Well, we know 2 riders that had IBS problems, one that had it so bad, he shit his pants during a race. I’m not mentioning no names because I don’t want the lynch mob coming after me.

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Well, we know 2 riders that had IBS problems, one that had it so bad, he shit his pants during a race. I’m not mentioning no...

Well, we know 2 riders that had IBS problems, one that had it so bad, he shit his pants during a race. I’m not mentioning no names because I don’t want the lynch mob coming after me.

Not to say your wrong but 2 riders in the recent how long? having had IBS/ i.e "The Shits" hardly proves or even indicates anything.....

Living out of a suitcase, eating god knows what from where, stressing their bodies out etc.

 

I'm surprised that's all you heard! Smile

 

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7/25/2023 10:02pm
Have you seen Brian with his shirt off!? That guy is ripped, isn’t he like 50-51 yrs old? Just sayin’ This was at Washougal, if he’s...

Have you seen Brian with his shirt off!? That guy is ripped, isn’t he like 50-51 yrs old? Just sayin’Whistling

This was at Washougal, if he’s not on something, I want to know his secret or just good genetics?

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Can you post a picture of Brian not being in shape at any point in his life ? I'll wait.

 

Just because you have no self control or drive doesn't mean everyone else is the same.

 

You're either paid to shit on the deegans or your just a sad piece of shit who has nothing in life that to shit on people who made something out of their lives because you couldn't do it yourself, I think the latter.

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Have you seen Brian with his shirt off!? That guy is ripped, isn’t he like 50-51 yrs old? Just sayin’ This was at Washougal, if he’s...

Have you seen Brian with his shirt off!? That guy is ripped, isn’t he like 50-51 yrs old? Just sayin’Whistling

This was at Washougal, if he’s not on something, I want to know his secret or just good genetics?

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Can you post a picture of Brian not being in shape at any point in his life ? I'll wait.   Just because you have no...

Can you post a picture of Brian not being in shape at any point in his life ? I'll wait.

 

Just because you have no self control or drive doesn't mean everyone else is the same.

 

You're either paid to shit on the deegans or your just a sad piece of shit who has nothing in life that to shit on people who made something out of their lives because you couldn't do it yourself, I think the latter.

Haha, calm down, have a seat and DrinkMoreWater, it’s not that serious! Can’t believe people get so riled up, it’s unhealthy my man. ✌🏼 

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7/25/2023 10:16pm

I find this accusation or assumption fucking hilarious and to sum up, it equates to Deegan the American having to dope in order to beat the Aussie.

Furthermore, It's really lame that there are people who are jealous over the Deegan families success. Brian has done well for himself and has instilled great work ethic into his kids. They have earned all their successes. 

Then you have the c@nts constantly spewing shit which is a testament to personal failure. They spend too much time trying to discredit others instead of trying to better themselves.

Certain folk need to take a hard at themselves first in the mirror first.....

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There is a place around the Tallahassee/Cairo area that gives IV’s im sure you could catch some of the yamaha crew in there during the week. 

What’s your point?  Nothing wrong with getting an IV, might be a good idea after getting dehydrated over the weekend, right?

 

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7/25/2023 10:26pm
Have you seen Brian with his shirt off!? That guy is ripped, isn’t he like 50-51 yrs old? Just sayin’ This was at Washougal, if he’s...

Have you seen Brian with his shirt off!? That guy is ripped, isn’t he like 50-51 yrs old? Just sayin’Whistling

This was at Washougal, if he’s not on something, I want to know his secret or just good genetics?

IMG 4393

 

Can you post a picture of Brian not being in shape at any point in his life ? I'll wait.   Just because you have no...

Can you post a picture of Brian not being in shape at any point in his life ? I'll wait.

 

Just because you have no self control or drive doesn't mean everyone else is the same.

 

You're either paid to shit on the deegans or your just a sad piece of shit who has nothing in life that to shit on people who made something out of their lives because you couldn't do it yourself, I think the latter.

Haha, calm down, have a seat and DrinkMoreWater, it’s not that serious! Can’t believe people get so riled up, it’s unhealthy my man. ✌🏼 

You spend time ALOT of time to find ways to bash on Jett and Haiden you're clearly very invested in this, buckle buttercup next 10 years is going to be hell for you.

PS - RC ain't coming back.

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Can you post a picture of Brian not being in shape at any point in his life ? I'll wait.   Just because you have no...

Can you post a picture of Brian not being in shape at any point in his life ? I'll wait.

 

Just because you have no self control or drive doesn't mean everyone else is the same.

 

You're either paid to shit on the deegans or your just a sad piece of shit who has nothing in life that to shit on people who made something out of their lives because you couldn't do it yourself, I think the latter.

Haha, calm down, have a seat and DrinkMoreWater, it’s not that serious! Can’t believe people get so riled up, it’s unhealthy my man. ✌🏼 

You spend time ALOT of time to find ways to bash on Jett and Haiden you're clearly very invested in this, buckle buttercup next 10 years...

You spend time ALOT of time to find ways to bash on Jett and Haiden you're clearly very invested in this, buckle buttercup next 10 years is going to be hell for you.

PS - RC ain't coming back.

I haven’t bashed either one of them. I actually like both of em and hope it turns into a great rivalry one day, kinda like Stew and Reed. Looking forward to the next 10 yrs I must say. But seriously, watch that blood pressure, you and a few others seem to go off the rails at times.

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7/25/2023 10:35pm

Haha, calm down, have a seat and DrinkMoreWater, it’s not that serious! Can’t believe people get so riled up, it’s unhealthy my man. ✌🏼 

You spend time ALOT of time to find ways to bash on Jett and Haiden you're clearly very invested in this, buckle buttercup next 10 years...

You spend time ALOT of time to find ways to bash on Jett and Haiden you're clearly very invested in this, buckle buttercup next 10 years is going to be hell for you.

PS - RC ain't coming back.

I haven’t bashed either one of them. I actually like both of em and hope it turns into a great rivalry one day, kinda like Stew...

I haven’t bashed either one of them. I actually like both of em and hope it turns into a great rivalry one day, kinda like Stew and Reed. Looking forward to the next 10 yrs I must say. But seriously, watch that blood pressure, you and a few others seem to go off the rails at times.

LOL right.

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Have you seen Brian with his shirt off!? That guy is ripped, isn’t he like 50-51 yrs old? Just sayin’ This was at Washougal, if he’s...

Have you seen Brian with his shirt off!? That guy is ripped, isn’t he like 50-51 yrs old? Just sayin’Whistling

This was at Washougal, if he’s not on something, I want to know his secret or just good genetics?

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Seriously? Most of my athletic friends look like that at 50. Hell I almost look like that at 60…..well, I could if I wanted to in a week or 6 😂. Your friends sound like they’re not in the best shape, or your having a problem staying in shape as you get older. Try a Concept2 Rower and a MTB, maybe sign up with someone online like Coach Robb, AMart or AJ to get your diet squared away - you got this!  just don’t let your jealousy show

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At 61 years old I’m all for PEDs in the vet class

and this thread is juiced

All for PEDs?  Hell Im straight up counting on them for when they announce the Senior Tour in conjunction with WSX next year 

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Have you seen Brian with his shirt off!? That guy is ripped, isn’t he like 50-51 yrs old? Just sayin’ This was at Washougal, if he’s...

Have you seen Brian with his shirt off!? That guy is ripped, isn’t he like 50-51 yrs old? Just sayin’Whistling

This was at Washougal, if he’s not on something, I want to know his secret or just good genetics?

IMG 4393

 

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Seriously? Most of my athletic friends look like that at 50. Hell I almost look like that at 60…..well, I could if I wanted to in...

Seriously? Most of my athletic friends look like that at 50. Hell I almost look like that at 60…..well, I could if I wanted to in a week or 6 😂. Your friends sound like they’re not in the best shape, or your having a problem staying in shape as you get older. Try a Concept2 Rower and a MTB, maybe sign up with someone online like Coach Robb, AMart or AJ to get your diet squared away - you got this!  just don’t let your jealousy show

Geez, I’m sorry this post created such an uproar, nah I’m good, I’ve been a health nut all my life, in pretty decent shape at 55, but thanks for your concern. I’ll keep your advice noted. Jealous, hmmm, maybe alittle, no, not really Wink

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PEDs absolutely if you consider adrenaline as a PED. Cheating with bike, wtf does anyone here really think Star would risk their reputation and the penalties or Deegan possibly putting a black mark on his whole future career if caught. He is in the pros now not at the local track anymore. The young man smelled blood in the water, saw Cooper was dropping anchor, had held off Hunters charge, and knew he was close to going 1-1. That gave him a huge burst of adrenaline and he turned that into incredible lap times. He could have went down at any time riding that pace but his training and natural speed gave him the ability to bring it home on 2 wheels. If Hunter had got by him would we have seen the same burst, I would argue not as this would have most likely taken the wind out of his sails. Right time, right situation and he made the most out of it. Watched Cooper Webb do it for 2 championships.

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7/26/2023 12:56am Edited Date/Time 7/26/2023 1:28am
The article is behind a paywall. Unless we can access it and judge for ourselves, we are judging this according to YOUR translation and potential bias. ...

The article is behind a paywall. Unless we can access it and judge for ourselves, we are judging this according to YOUR translation and potential bias. 

You are accusing LeBig as well when you say "these two" ??

Kervella is known for some brash, chauvinist talk at times. But I am very surprised about S. Legrand, aka " Lebig"

Can someone please make the said discussion accessible to all before we get our pitchforks  ? Thanks

 

I think you just pointed at what makes them feel safe and protected enough to say whatever crap they want: the double barrier (paywall+language). Still, even tough he vaguely brings some weak contradiction to Kervella (what he calls "being the devil's advocate", which is pretty ironic), Lebig is responsible for his content. I just translated some of it (the anti-Deegan rant goes on for more than 20 minutes) the most accurately I could. If you find a way to access it, please do. 

Here's the intro you can freely read on the site: "How does Haiden Deegan manage to dominate the end of the second 250 Washougal race without showing any sign of tiredness? Yannig Kervella's asking himself this legitimate question that, although potentially upsetting, deserved to be shared. The resulting analysis will most likely not be liked by Deegan's family "fan club". The "SuperMicro MX" podcast is not accountable to anyone anyway." 

20 minutes of innuendo about cheating, and you're not accountable? That's a very personal way of seeing things.

 

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ML512 wrote:
Something to note, the podium of both classes were drug tested at RedBud (I was present when they were pulling riders). This included Haiden Deegan and...

Something to note, the podium of both classes were drug tested at RedBud (I was present when they were pulling riders). This included Haiden Deegan and all riders passed.

I thought they pissed in the cup. 

But pulling the riders is a bit extreme and you watched them.

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7/26/2023 1:39am Edited Date/Time 7/26/2023 1:41am
ML512 wrote:
Something to note, the podium of both classes were drug tested at RedBud (I was present when they were pulling riders). This included Haiden Deegan and...

Something to note, the podium of both classes were drug tested at RedBud (I was present when they were pulling riders). This included Haiden Deegan and all riders passed.

So WADA are in on it too?

 

This thread is laughable.

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Well, we know 2 riders that had IBS problems, one that had it so bad, he shit his pants during a race. I’m not mentioning no...

Well, we know 2 riders that had IBS problems, one that had it so bad, he shit his pants during a race. I’m not mentioning no names because I don’t want the lynch mob coming after me.

Travis told a story about filling his pants during a race and throwing his pants in the trash after the race then watching some kid snatch the pants and just run off with them LoL

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The tour’s over frenchie, time to settle down. 

7/26/2023 6:07am

At 61 years old I’m all for PEDs in the vet class

and this thread is juiced

PFitzG38 wrote:

All for PEDs?  Hell Im straight up counting on them for when they announce the Senior Tour in conjunction with WSX next year 

Hahaha, perfect!

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7/26/2023 6:41am
ML512 wrote:
Something to note, the podium of both classes were drug tested at RedBud (I was present when they were pulling riders). This included Haiden Deegan and...

Something to note, the podium of both classes were drug tested at RedBud (I was present when they were pulling riders). This included Haiden Deegan and all riders passed.

Would that exclude prescription medication for a disorder such as ADHD?

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7/26/2023 6:55am
ML512 wrote:
Something to note, the podium of both classes were drug tested at RedBud (I was present when they were pulling riders). This included Haiden Deegan and...

Something to note, the podium of both classes were drug tested at RedBud (I was present when they were pulling riders). This included Haiden Deegan and all riders passed.

UpTiTe wrote:
I’m not saying anyone is/isn’t using PEDs, but this day and age with ped technology, event day testing is useless.     You can have EPO out...

I’m not saying anyone is/isn’t using PEDs, but this day and age with ped technology, event day testing is useless. 
 

 You can have EPO out of your system on a set date, and still have all the benefits for months. 
 

 You can dose test/HGH on Monday, and have it undetectable on Saturday.  There’s a lot of ways to mask test/HGH. 
 

 One of the biggest ways to mask steroids is secretion inhibitors, but they can effect your stomach by acting like food poisoning, or irritable bowel syndrome, look over the past and see how many riders have had those issues and that will answer a lot of questions. 

Correct. Look at the major sports. You think those bodies on the field in the NFL are natural? Not a chance. Is there even a test for HGH? It clears your system so quickly. The HGH thing has always puzzled me though. Obviously we know the benefits of it in a sports sense. But it cause carpal tunnel syndrome. Numb hands isn't very desirable in motocross

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Mreh, he had two subpar rides the weeks before, I put it more down to him being a Cali kid and finding traction where others did...

Mreh, he had two subpar rides the weeks before, I put it more down to him being a Cali kid and finding traction where others did not.


Expect back to the mean the next three rounds I think.

Yeah it shouldn't be too shocking for him to struggle in the sand and to excel in the hard pack

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ML512 wrote:
Something to note, the podium of both classes were drug tested at RedBud (I was present when they were pulling riders). This included Haiden Deegan and...

Something to note, the podium of both classes were drug tested at RedBud (I was present when they were pulling riders). This included Haiden Deegan and all riders passed.

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Would that exclude prescription medication for a disorder such as ADHD?

If they have a proper TUE, then adderal and some similar substances can be allowed. TUE stands for therapeutic use exemption.

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7/26/2023 7:18am
ML512 wrote:

If they have a proper TUE, then adderal and some similar substances can be allowed. TUE stands for therapeutic use exemption.

Is USADA and WADA still governing over the outdoors? Haven't really heard much about that lately. Don't particularly care for the organization either. 

Wasn't there a poster on Vital some time ago from LeBig that was basically the biggest douchebag on the planet? Something like MXGeoff. I like how the OP referred to someone making hollow accusations as someone who calls a spade a spade. Especially over a young man who has good endurance. Like teens and younger men don't have an endless stream of energy especially when they train regularly. 

I'm not a huge fan of the Deegans per se, but Brian seems genuinely interested in his kiddos career at this point which is admirable. I could see him wanting to stay in good shape so that he can push Haiden while they're working out. That's speculation, but it doesn't surprise me that Brian stays fit with how involved he is in his kids lives. 

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7/26/2023 8:33am
ML512 wrote:
Something to note, the podium of both classes were drug tested at RedBud (I was present when they were pulling riders). This included Haiden Deegan and...

Something to note, the podium of both classes were drug tested at RedBud (I was present when they were pulling riders). This included Haiden Deegan and all riders passed.

UpTiTe wrote:
I’m not saying anyone is/isn’t using PEDs, but this day and age with ped technology, event day testing is useless.     You can have EPO out...

I’m not saying anyone is/isn’t using PEDs, but this day and age with ped technology, event day testing is useless. 
 

 You can have EPO out of your system on a set date, and still have all the benefits for months. 
 

 You can dose test/HGH on Monday, and have it undetectable on Saturday.  There’s a lot of ways to mask test/HGH. 
 

 One of the biggest ways to mask steroids is secretion inhibitors, but they can effect your stomach by acting like food poisoning, or irritable bowel syndrome, look over the past and see how many riders have had those issues and that will answer a lot of questions. 

Correct. Look at the major sports. You think those bodies on the field in the NFL are natural? Not a chance. Is there even a test...

Correct. Look at the major sports. You think those bodies on the field in the NFL are natural? Not a chance. Is there even a test for HGH? It clears your system so quickly. The HGH thing has always puzzled me though. Obviously we know the benefits of it in a sports sense. But it cause carpal tunnel syndrome. Numb hands isn't very desirable in motocross

HGH isn’t a bad thing when not abused. A lot of pro athletes use it when injured to speed up their recovery, it’s why the average guys knee takes 9 months, while an athlete is riding in 3. 

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7/26/2023 8:56am
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If they have a proper TUE, then adderal and some similar substances can be allowed. TUE stands for therapeutic use exemption.

This is such a bullcrap rule

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