Practice Day Prices

7/12/2023 9:33am
cwel11 wrote:
Most tracks in eastern pa are 35-40. Costs at most local tracks have gone up 5-10 the past few years and I’m not sure why anyone...

Most tracks in eastern pa are 35-40. Costs at most local tracks have gone up 5-10 the past few years and I’m not sure why anyone would except it not too? Are you paying less for anything lately? Neither are the track owners. 40 bucks to ride a few hours is still considerably cheaper than a psychiatrist’s hourly rate. 

mattyhamz2 wrote:
I expect costs to go up, that's just how things go. What I wasn't expecting was prices to go up to full price to ride just...

I expect costs to go up, that's just how things go. What I wasn't expecting was prices to go up to full price to ride just the kids track that can be fully re-prepped in less than 30 minutes.

JustMX wrote:
So, They build a separate track so the kids can ride a lot more and not have to worry about getting roosted or jumped on by...

So,

They build a separate track so the kids can ride a lot more and not have to worry about getting roosted or jumped on by a 450 wannabe pro, and they prep the track for them, and then you think it is reasonable to pay less?

Scroll up....

Hey look....

Glen Helen is less to ride....

Problem solved, right?

 

Ya that would be great and problem would be solved, except Glen Helen just took out the kids track a few weeks ago. They only have the stadium track for the kids to ride now, but my kid isn't quite ready for that one yet. It will be on our list once he's at that point.

7/12/2023 9:36am
seth505 wrote:
While I agree with what people are saying, almost everyone is missing the point. I am also fine with rising costs of riding tracks, it's much...

While I agree with what people are saying, almost everyone is missing the point. I am also fine with rising costs of riding tracks, it's much better than the alternative (nowhere to ride).  That said, his kid is riding a mini/tiny track only.  I'd think it's reasonable to have a system where a kid who is not riding any main tracks, has a slightly lower rate to ride.

Thank you Seth. That is the exact point I was trying to make. Maybe it was my wording that didn't really get that point across properly. Lord knows I've had plenty of times where my wording made it seem like I was saying something completely different than what I was actually trying to say Laughing

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7/12/2023 9:48am
TahoeVetMX wrote:
A local track here in Oregon (Mountain View MX) just raised their practice prices this week to be $50 for the first class and $25 for...

A local track here in Oregon (Mountain View MX) just raised their practice prices this week to be $50 for the first class and $25 for the second.  However, it seems they decided this because their turnout has been low this year.  However, the turnout is low because the prep has been awful.   I am not sure how raising their prices is going to solve their problems.   

 

Are you serious bro? $75 for two classes? That is ridiculous. And is Unlimited Practice still $50? 

That doesn't make sense. 

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7/12/2023 9:56am
ricko wrote:
I volunteer at our local non profit mx track, we charge $15 for wednesday evenings and $30 for a weekend day. And we arent getting rich...

I volunteer at our local non profit mx track, we charge $15 for wednesday evenings and $30 for a weekend day. And we arent getting rich I can tell you that. We dont have the grandest prep since we all volunteer and work full time jobs so thats why our prices are low but we are trying to keep moto alive. Most all other tracks in eastern pa are $30+ no matter the day of week. 

I'm guessing that most of the equipment and/ land was either donated or family owned (no mortgage).  Great that it can survive and they pass on the low cost to riders, but clearly an anomaly.   Never in a million years could a track pay the bills only charging $15 per rider.  I was treasurer for our local track where all the labor is volunteer and it still costs over $200k per year to run 2 races per month April to October (plus 2 additional tracks grooms per week for club members).  As stated many times, running a track is not cheap nor profitable.  Our club is basically breakeven financially.

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7/12/2023 10:05am
ricko wrote:
I volunteer at our local non profit mx track, we charge $15 for wednesday evenings and $30 for a weekend day. And we arent getting rich...

I volunteer at our local non profit mx track, we charge $15 for wednesday evenings and $30 for a weekend day. And we arent getting rich I can tell you that. We dont have the grandest prep since we all volunteer and work full time jobs so thats why our prices are low but we are trying to keep moto alive. Most all other tracks in eastern pa are $30+ no matter the day of week. 

crpilot wrote:
I'm guessing that most of the equipment and/ land was either donated or family owned (no mortgage).  Great that it can survive and they pass on...

I'm guessing that most of the equipment and/ land was either donated or family owned (no mortgage).  Great that it can survive and they pass on the low cost to riders, but clearly an anomaly.   Never in a million years could a track pay the bills only charging $15 per rider.  I was treasurer for our local track where all the labor is volunteer and it still costs over $200k per year to run 2 races per month April to October (plus 2 additional tracks grooms per week for club members).  As stated many times, running a track is not cheap nor profitable.  Our club is basically breakeven financially.

Club has been around since the 1970s. We arent running the greatest of equipment but we get it done. And yes its an anomaly, was simply just stating we don't make money really for the low cost like the op was hoping tracks should charge and we are non profit - volunteer, you take us and make it for profit and people getting paid to work there you must charge $30+ to survive.  

We are a very small track. Only 2 races per year and 1 practice per week weather pending. Not saying our prices are profitable, was mostly saying your not making money at ours prices. More or less I'm defending the track owner wanting to charge $30+ for people to ride. I wish we could. 

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7/12/2023 10:05am
TahoeVetMX wrote:
A local track here in Oregon (Mountain View MX) just raised their practice prices this week to be $50 for the first class and $25 for...

A local track here in Oregon (Mountain View MX) just raised their practice prices this week to be $50 for the first class and $25 for the second.  However, it seems they decided this because their turnout has been low this year.  However, the turnout is low because the prep has been awful.   I am not sure how raising their prices is going to solve their problems.   

 

Are you serious bro? $75 for two classes? That is ridiculous. And is Unlimited Practice still $50? 

That doesn't make sense. 

Yeah, it appears to be correct because they posted it on their FB account.   If the prep was better or it was more of a limit of 30 to 50 riders I could understand that.   However, we will have to see how this turns out.   My buddies have all been very disappointed this year with the prep.   I hope the track gets things dialed in.  

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7/12/2023 10:24am

Most of New England is 45-50 dollars to ride. Very few tracks left at 40$.

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7/12/2023 11:02am Edited Date/Time 7/12/2023 11:15am

I paid $30 to ride on Sunday which is the most I think I’ve paid in Colorado. Most places out here are just per bike, no matter the size. 
 

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Totally worth it. 

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7/12/2023 11:07am

I'm just here for all the responses that have absolutely nothing to do with the first post Matty made.

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7/12/2023 11:15am
As someone who is the treasurer at a non-profit club track, I assure you that it is tough to cover the expenses at a track.  Insurance...

As someone who is the treasurer at a non-profit club track, I assure you that it is tough to cover the expenses at a track.  Insurance is no joke to begin with, then add in the cost of flaggers, equipment, fuel, porta shitters, etc.  God forbid a dozer requires a repair.
Knowing what I know now, I never whine when I have to break out my wallet at a local track.  

I feel the same way after riding at a friends private track for a couple of years now and doing what I can to help. It's a pretty legit place and there's always tons of work to do for the caretaker and all of the guys who ride there before the track can even get prepped to ride, and then you add in the cost of repairs to equipment and filling the stuff up with fuel.

One of my tracks has always been a $10 gate fee per person, $35 to ride without a annual membership ($35), $25 with a membership, which isn't too bad since it's an easy drive down the interstate in the morning. I really wish some of the tracks would adopt what our hare scramble series does and just charges admission per vehicle, not per head.

7/12/2023 3:15pm
TahoeVetMX wrote:
A local track here in Oregon (Mountain View MX) just raised their practice prices this week to be $50 for the first class and $25 for...

A local track here in Oregon (Mountain View MX) just raised their practice prices this week to be $50 for the first class and $25 for the second.  However, it seems they decided this because their turnout has been low this year.  However, the turnout is low because the prep has been awful.   I am not sure how raising their prices is going to solve their problems.   

 

Are you serious bro? $75 for two classes? That is ridiculous. And is Unlimited Practice still $50? 

That doesn't make sense. 

TahoeVetMX wrote:
Yeah, it appears to be correct because they posted it on their FB account.   If the prep was better or it was more of a limit...

Yeah, it appears to be correct because they posted it on their FB account.   If the prep was better or it was more of a limit of 30 to 50 riders I could understand that.   However, we will have to see how this turns out.   My buddies have all been very disappointed this year with the prep.   I hope the track gets things dialed in.  

I've only been once this season. What's been their gripes with the prep? I know that they ruined the soil when they added all that bark. 

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7/12/2023 3:22pm

I'm surprised it's still so cheap to go ride a watered/groomed track.  I paid $200 for a one day lift ticket in Lake Tahoe this winter. 

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7/12/2023 3:22pm

Anything under 50 is a steal of a deal if it's a fun, properly watered and groom track. The time and cost it takes to do it all is insane. 
 

Go get time on any other motor sports track that doesn't require grooming and it's still more. 
 

Golf is more expensive 

People pay 25-50 dollars for a 1-2 hour long group fitness class like yoga, BJJ, spin. 

Moto is fairly cheap considering the backend work it takes to happen. 

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At least you're not getting flamed as bad as I did when I complained about paying $80 to race a poorly prepped track in Hawaii back in 2009 when I lived there.  $40 to ride a kids track is probably a little on the high side, but I also think it's reasonable considering all the places closing and getting shut down.  Not much for alternatives unless you have a lot of land.

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7/12/2023 3:35pm

Are you serious bro? $75 for two classes? That is ridiculous. And is Unlimited Practice still $50? 

That doesn't make sense. 

TahoeVetMX wrote:
Yeah, it appears to be correct because they posted it on their FB account.   If the prep was better or it was more of a limit...

Yeah, it appears to be correct because they posted it on their FB account.   If the prep was better or it was more of a limit of 30 to 50 riders I could understand that.   However, we will have to see how this turns out.   My buddies have all been very disappointed this year with the prep.   I hope the track gets things dialed in.  

I've only been once this season. What's been their gripes with the prep? I know that they ruined the soil when they added all that bark. 

Mostly the lack of water and everything is marbles.   They need a cultivator to chop up the dirt better and then they need to water more. 

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7/12/2023 7:04pm
New Jersey Tracks charge $50. Budds Creek is $40. Tomahawk in WV is $25. I think Southwick is $40.  I do remember all the tracks in...

New Jersey Tracks charge $50. Budds Creek is $40. Tomahawk in WV is $25. I think Southwick is $40. 

I do remember all the tracks in California being $20 in the mid 2000s. With inflation, that's about 32 dollars.

Biggest gripe for me is that in NJ, they split up the practices even if there are only a few minis there, and they get 20 minutes an hour on the big tracks. Then they have the A and B/C splits. Essentially, you have to be there for four hours to get an hour of riding in. 

Englishtown is $60 if you sign up before 7:00am. $80 if you just show up. 
Field of Dreams is $70 for non members. 
These are a single day pass as mentioned split up into groups. 

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7/12/2023 7:41pm Edited Date/Time 7/12/2023 7:42pm

Lacrmx with the insurance costs and everything, I will pay $60 to keep them open! 

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7/12/2023 7:56pm

Insurance premiums for tracks are crazy. A rider is a rider. It sucks but has nothing to do with the size of the bike. 

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7/12/2023 8:09pm
captmoto wrote:

Insurance premiums for tracks are crazy. A rider is a rider. It sucks but has nothing to do with the size of the bike. 

Bingo...

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7/12/2023 8:29pm

Consistent $40 for a practice day at my usual tracks in IL area. Fair price in my opinion. I'm almost surprised it's not more in 2023, especially for the nicer tracks.

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7/12/2023 8:43pm

Cost me 1500$ for the year

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7/13/2023 10:00pm
Bow977 wrote:
That costs less than a round of golf, this isn’t 1995 when prices were 15$. 30-40$ to ride is what it should be, the track owner...

That costs less than a round of golf, this isn’t 1995 when prices were 15$. 30-40$ to ride is what it should be, the track owner has a lot of expenses. 

mattyhamz2 wrote:
Sure $30-$40 for big bikes is fine, but again I’m talking about my 7 year old riding his 65 on the kids track and only the...

Sure $30-$40 for big bikes is fine, but again I’m talking about my 7 year old riding his 65 on the kids track and only the kids track. Full price of $40 seems a bit much for that. 

If you’re worried about $10 extra dollars you’re in the wrong sport. Track owners usually don’t make a killer profit , if any at all.

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7/14/2023 6:33am
cwel11 wrote:
Most tracks in eastern pa are 35-40. Costs at most local tracks have gone up 5-10 the past few years and I’m not sure why anyone...

Most tracks in eastern pa are 35-40. Costs at most local tracks have gone up 5-10 the past few years and I’m not sure why anyone would except it not too? Are you paying less for anything lately? Neither are the track owners. 40 bucks to ride a few hours is still considerably cheaper than a psychiatrist’s hourly rate. 

mattyhamz2 wrote:
I expect costs to go up, that's just how things go. What I wasn't expecting was prices to go up to full price to ride just...

I expect costs to go up, that's just how things go. What I wasn't expecting was prices to go up to full price to ride just the kids track that can be fully re-prepped in less than 30 minutes.

JustMX wrote:
So, They build a separate track so the kids can ride a lot more and not have to worry about getting roosted or jumped on by...

So,

They build a separate track so the kids can ride a lot more and not have to worry about getting roosted or jumped on by a 450 wannabe pro, and they prep the track for them, and then you think it is reasonable to pay less?

Scroll up....

Hey look....

Glen Helen is less to ride....

Problem solved, right?

 

Ok, I’ll bite here.  They build a separate track that is a fraction of the size and therefore, a fraction of the cost to maintain among other factors.  So, yes, one could make an argument behind a reduced price, right?

I have always made my son (now 7) ride the big tracks and have never had an issue with paying the big bike fee because of it.  That said, I hate to see a parent chasing a child around on a PW, for example, who is just beginning and knowing they spent $40 practice fee. 

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7/14/2023 6:44am

I honestly think tracks should charge more. even at $50, its cheap for an all day thing. Go get shitty food at olive garden and youll spend near that. 

To me its crazy we pay $30-$50 to ride and get a groomed and watered track (at least by me) thats run with 120k dozer, 50k skid steer and a 40k water truck.

Diesel prices go up and practice fee's dont. One of the only industries that operates like that

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Maybe people were abusing the system and paying for the kids track but riding the big track? Of course there are ways you can try and prevent that, but if the track was having difficulty policing it I can understand the change. 

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7/14/2023 6:47am
Bow977 wrote:
That costs less than a round of golf, this isn’t 1995 when prices were 15$. 30-40$ to ride is what it should be, the track owner...

That costs less than a round of golf, this isn’t 1995 when prices were 15$. 30-40$ to ride is what it should be, the track owner has a lot of expenses. 

mattyhamz2 wrote:
Sure $30-$40 for big bikes is fine, but again I’m talking about my 7 year old riding his 65 on the kids track and only the...

Sure $30-$40 for big bikes is fine, but again I’m talking about my 7 year old riding his 65 on the kids track and only the kids track. Full price of $40 seems a bit much for that. 

mx4 wrote:

If you’re worried about $10 extra dollars you’re in the wrong sport. Track owners usually don’t make a killer profit , if any at all.

Bingo.   

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7/14/2023 7:33am
Bow977 wrote:
That costs less than a round of golf, this isn’t 1995 when prices were 15$. 30-40$ to ride is what it should be, the track owner...

That costs less than a round of golf, this isn’t 1995 when prices were 15$. 30-40$ to ride is what it should be, the track owner has a lot of expenses. 

mattyhamz2 wrote:
Sure $30-$40 for big bikes is fine, but again I’m talking about my 7 year old riding his 65 on the kids track and only the...

Sure $30-$40 for big bikes is fine, but again I’m talking about my 7 year old riding his 65 on the kids track and only the kids track. Full price of $40 seems a bit much for that. 

mx4 wrote:

If you’re worried about $10 extra dollars you’re in the wrong sport. Track owners usually don’t make a killer profit , if any at all.

You know, I see a lot of you guys say this kind of shit on here from time to time and I'm finally going to bite on it. Am I really worried about $10? No, not really. Again, it was a surprise because it was never that way before. Seems to be the way things are now and that's fine, it was just surprising. I'm so tired of some of you using this bullshit of "if x amount is a big deal/if you're worried about x amount you're in the wrong sport." It literally does nothing positive or productive for our sport. Go tell your non moto friends how much it costs to have fun riding your bike and see how many of them say, "Damn that sounds like a great deal! How do I get started?"

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7/14/2023 7:38am
Alex814 wrote:
Maybe people were abusing the system and paying for the kids track but riding the big track? Of course there are ways you can try and...

Maybe people were abusing the system and paying for the kids track but riding the big track? Of course there are ways you can try and prevent that, but if the track was having difficulty policing it I can understand the change. 

I completely understand that. That's why my idea was different color wrist bands. X color for kids track only, Y color for big tracks. Not saying it's perfect, but it's something to start with. Or even different color stickers on a number plate.

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7/14/2023 8:01am Edited Date/Time 7/14/2023 8:02am
Alex814 wrote:
Maybe people were abusing the system and paying for the kids track but riding the big track? Of course there are ways you can try and...

Maybe people were abusing the system and paying for the kids track but riding the big track? Of course there are ways you can try and prevent that, but if the track was having difficulty policing it I can understand the change. 

I don't know how they run it there, but it sounds like 65s can ride the big bike track. It's easier to charge 65s/85s full price and they can ride both tracks if they choose, and it doesn't require any kind of additional enforcement like color coded wristbands and someone to check them.

No track I've been to ever gives a discount if you say you only want to ride the vet track and not the main for example, nor do the ski slopes I've been to if you only want to ride the bunny hill.  I do get that it sucks that they changed it though, when they did previously discount it.
 

 

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7/14/2023 8:15am Edited Date/Time 7/14/2023 8:16am

This is one of the reasons that off-road is killing it. Moto practice is fun but you don't put any time on your bike for the amount spent. If you are lucky you get an hour on your bike for a whole day. Most of the time you are sitting on your butt waiting for the 15 minute session per every 2 hours of your precious time. You have to ask if it is really worth it to you. If it is, cool. Than no griping about cost. If it isn't, try another form to get seat time and enjoyment. I ran moto for 30+ years and switched over to off-road. Now I can ride with my kids and we put 2+ hours on our bikes on a weeknight trail ride. Run a scramble and get 2hours of seat time and your home by mid afternoon. Run an enduro and get 5 hours of seat time and your still home before dinner. Both are the same if not cheaper than a moto practice day. And trail riding is free if you know the spots to ride. Enjoy!

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