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mxb2 wrote:
Sx pays more $$, thats  why vialle come to the usa, if mxgp was the best series in the world he would have stayed.   Kroc,ferrandi,lawrences all...

Sx pays more $$, thats  why vialle come to the usa, if mxgp was the best series in the world he would have stayed.   Kroc,ferrandi,lawrences all came for the same reason. Dont kid yourself. 

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You’ve kind of contradicted yourself.  GP riders do go to the US for $$$, but that doesn’t mean the MXGP isn’t the best series.  By MXdN...

You’ve kind of contradicted yourself.  GP riders do go to the US for $$$, but that doesn’t mean the MXGP isn’t the best series.  By MXdN results (the best gauge we have), European countries have, generally, been producing better MX riders over the last decade or so.

GP champions are invariably successful in the US.  I can’t think of any off the top of my head that haven’t at the very least been race winners and genuine title contenders.

I still wonder why more US riders don’t go to the GP’s though.  Guys like Ty Masterpool who is clearly an extremely capable MX rider but isn’t so great at SX.

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They came over for sx, the highest paying series in the world  Like i said or vialle would have stayed to race the. Big bike class,the...

They came over for sx, the highest paying series in the world  Like i said or vialle would have stayed to race the. Big bike class,the so called best series in the world.  I guess you know more than tom, kroc ,ferrandis and the lawrence brothers.  Lol

Like you said - they come for the money.  Just because it pays the best doesn’t mean it is the best.

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ando wrote:
You’ve kind of contradicted yourself.  GP riders do go to the US for $$$, but that doesn’t mean the MXGP isn’t the best series.  By MXdN...

You’ve kind of contradicted yourself.  GP riders do go to the US for $$$, but that doesn’t mean the MXGP isn’t the best series.  By MXdN results (the best gauge we have), European countries have, generally, been producing better MX riders over the last decade or so.

GP champions are invariably successful in the US.  I can’t think of any off the top of my head that haven’t at the very least been race winners and genuine title contenders.

I still wonder why more US riders don’t go to the GP’s though.  Guys like Ty Masterpool who is clearly an extremely capable MX rider but isn’t so great at SX.

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They came over for sx, the highest paying series in the world  Like i said or vialle would have stayed to race the. Big bike class,the...

They came over for sx, the highest paying series in the world  Like i said or vialle would have stayed to race the. Big bike class,the so called best series in the world.  I guess you know more than tom, kroc ,ferrandis and the lawrence brothers.  Lol

ando wrote:

Like you said - they come for the money.  Just because it pays the best doesn’t mean it is the best.

Exactly ,you just said it.  $$. Over anything. And that means the mxgp title isnt that important to them. Or the prestige . 

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It says a lot about US motocross when we can poach the defending MX2 Champion, without even trying. Everyone wants to come to the US and...

It says a lot about US motocross when we can poach the defending MX2 Champion, without even trying. Everyone wants to come to the US and race the BEST. Its gonna be even funnier when Prado wraps up this MXGP Title and then leaves to come to the USA and brings Gajser with him.

It says that supercross is the highest paid discipline in the sport.

Even US riders can’t make a career out of just riding motocross anymore.

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mxb2 wrote:
They came over for sx, the highest paying series in the world  Like i said or vialle would have stayed to race the. Big bike class,the...

They came over for sx, the highest paying series in the world  Like i said or vialle would have stayed to race the. Big bike class,the so called best series in the world.  I guess you know more than tom, kroc ,ferrandis and the lawrence brothers.  Lol

Idp57 wrote:
Mxb2 you absolutely don't know what you're talking about,again.Pretty much everyone knows why Vialle come over!Btw for the record RV didn't won his first MxGP or...

Mxb2 you absolutely don't know what you're talking about,again.Pretty much everyone knows why Vialle come over!Btw for the record RV didn't won his first MxGP or the 3rd race.

Oh ya got me, his second race lol. And toms on race 5 goin on 6. 

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mxb2 wrote:

Exactly ,you just said it.  $$. Over anything. And that means the mxgp title isnt that important to them. Or the prestige . 

It’s not exactly a flood.  Before Vialle the last GP champion to come to the US was Roczen back in 2012.

The last 250/450F GP champion to come to the US was Tortelli.

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Yeah, right…  If you ever saw more than one race with Herlings, and if he’s 100% healthy, he’s the type of rider who will loose one moto...

Yeah, right… Grinning If you ever saw more than one race with Herlings, and if he’s 100% healthy, he’s the type of rider who will loose one moto, at max, the first one, the second one he will get used to track etc and destroy competition. And you can put any one against him.

Yeah right? Jetts 19 and will have a 450 title by September.  Herlings only has 2 titles. He's not even the best rider in Europe in his own generation. 

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mxb2 wrote:

Exactly ,you just said it.  $$. Over anything. And that means the mxgp title isnt that important to them. Or the prestige . 

ando wrote:
It’s not exactly a flood.  Before Vialle the last GP champion to come to the US was Roczen back in 2012. The last 250/450F GP champion...

It’s not exactly a flood.  Before Vialle the last GP champion to come to the US was Roczen back in 2012.

The last 250/450F GP champion to come to the US was Tortelli.

Musquin, ferrandis, lawrence boys all came over for $$ . You think the world title is more important , they dont. 

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7/3/2023 2:51pm

Herlings has raw speed jett is fast but i don't see him beating herlings. Its hard to tell how fast jett really is because he looks so smooth and jeffrey looks pinned everywhere on the track. I guess in a few months we will see.

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mxb2 wrote:

Exactly ,you just said it.  $$. Over anything. And that means the mxgp title isnt that important to them. Or the prestige . 

ando wrote:
It’s not exactly a flood.  Before Vialle the last GP champion to come to the US was Roczen back in 2012. The last 250/450F GP champion...

It’s not exactly a flood.  Before Vialle the last GP champion to come to the US was Roczen back in 2012.

The last 250/450F GP champion to come to the US was Tortelli.

mxb2 wrote:

Musquin, ferrandis, lawrence boys all came over for $$ . You think the world title is more important , they dont. 

Yes they did.  What you’re ignoring is all the other riders who didn’t.  
 

In the last fifteen years there’s been Rattray, Pourcel, Musquin, Roczen, Vialle.  Five guys in 15 years.  Don’t flatter yourself.

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ando wrote:
It’s not exactly a flood.  Before Vialle the last GP champion to come to the US was Roczen back in 2012. The last 250/450F GP champion...

It’s not exactly a flood.  Before Vialle the last GP champion to come to the US was Roczen back in 2012.

The last 250/450F GP champion to come to the US was Tortelli.

mxb2 wrote:

Musquin, ferrandis, lawrence boys all came over for $$ . You think the world title is more important , they dont. 

ando wrote:
Yes they did.  What you’re ignoring is all the other riders who didn’t.     In the last fifteen years there’s been Rattray, Pourcel, Musquin, Roczen...

Yes they did.  What you’re ignoring is all the other riders who didn’t.  
 

In the last fifteen years there’s been Rattray, Pourcel, Musquin, Roczen, Vialle.  Five guys in 15 years.  Don’t flatter yourself.

And like i said they did it for $$. Not the prestige you think it is.get out of living in the past. 

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7/3/2023 3:11pm
Goldmember wrote:

Yes, they sent Tom Vialle over to the US to get the AMA guys used to an FIM MX2 champion arse kicking...

 

Don’t write off Vialle just yet. He’s just finding his feet. 
 

Much like RV in his short GP stint. 

ripper69 wrote:

Agreed. You would have to be a fool to think weve seen anything close to Vialle's potential. 

Imagine if he had the hp of  star or honda. 
he will grab some motos this yr.

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mxb2 wrote:

Musquin, ferrandis, lawrence boys all came over for $$ . You think the world title is more important , they dont. 

ando wrote:
Yes they did.  What you’re ignoring is all the other riders who didn’t.     In the last fifteen years there’s been Rattray, Pourcel, Musquin, Roczen...

Yes they did.  What you’re ignoring is all the other riders who didn’t.  
 

In the last fifteen years there’s been Rattray, Pourcel, Musquin, Roczen, Vialle.  Five guys in 15 years.  Don’t flatter yourself.

mxb2 wrote:

And like i said they did it for $$. Not the prestige you think it is.get out of living in the past. 

So why did the vast majority stay in Europe?  Because they like being paid less to race?

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7/3/2023 3:23pm
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Who knows how herlings come back will be after this, there is a switch waiting being pressed on to tune it down someday. But maybe the...

Who knows how herlings come back will be after this, there is a switch waiting being pressed on to tune it down someday. But maybe the bullet has no fear and goes faster then before 🙈 this season is over so don’t expect big results anymore maybe at Mxon, but my wish is just go ama and do something amazing no rider has done before win both championship’s.. but I’m pretty sure both company’s don’t want that kind of attention. If a rider from mxgp goes ama just to prove he is the best rider of the world then after he succeeded goes back to mxgp. then ama lost all their  credibility to be a big deal in the mx world  and herlings may be the only rider who can pull that off 

 

Probably before your time but both MX Championships have been won by one rider aready,

Brad Lackey 1972 AMA 500cc National Champion, ten years later was crowned 500cc world Chcampion.

As for Jett and Herlings, wowuld be fun to watch a series with both riders.

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ando wrote:
Yes they did.  What you’re ignoring is all the other riders who didn’t.     In the last fifteen years there’s been Rattray, Pourcel, Musquin, Roczen...

Yes they did.  What you’re ignoring is all the other riders who didn’t.  
 

In the last fifteen years there’s been Rattray, Pourcel, Musquin, Roczen, Vialle.  Five guys in 15 years.  Don’t flatter yourself.

mxb2 wrote:

And like i said they did it for $$. Not the prestige you think it is.get out of living in the past. 

ando wrote:

So why did the vast majority stay in Europe?  Because they like being paid less to race?

Maybe no usa team had a spot open? And some cant race sx, its not hard to understand. 

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7/3/2023 5:15pm Edited Date/Time 7/3/2023 5:19pm
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Who knows how herlings come back will be after this, there is a switch waiting being pressed on to tune it down someday. But maybe the...

Who knows how herlings come back will be after this, there is a switch waiting being pressed on to tune it down someday. But maybe the bullet has no fear and goes faster then before 🙈 this season is over so don’t expect big results anymore maybe at Mxon, but my wish is just go ama and do something amazing no rider has done before win both championship’s.. but I’m pretty sure both company’s don’t want that kind of attention. If a rider from mxgp goes ama just to prove he is the best rider of the world then after he succeeded goes back to mxgp. then ama lost all their  credibility to be a big deal in the mx world  and herlings may be the only rider who can pull that off 

 

The thing is he probably cant do that anymore unfortunately. He absolutely could come over for 1 race again and lay the smack down, but to come over and race all new tracks, in a different series, living in a different country, and win the championship vs jett who might be the GOAT when all is said n done plus Sexton, when he already has a hard time finishing the series he knows like the back of his hand, I just dont think theres a high possibility of that happening anymore vs before. 
 

He could absolutely win a few races, but if hes not even finishing the mxgp championships which he has always raced, I dont see him coming over here and beating Jett on his first go. Plus it would have to be next year when Jett wont be a rookie anymore and will be even faster and possibly coming off a perfect season his rookie year. Dont get me wrong Id loveeee to see Jeffrey come over here and battle Jett and Sexton, that would be epic. Im just saying its not a foregone conclusion anymore that hed woop everyones ass like it was 3-5 years ago. This isnt even a pro American thing either Jett is Australian, so Im making the case that the new FMOTP may be out of Australia. If hes not this year he will be next year. 

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Imagine if he had the hp of  star or honda. 
he will grab some motos this yr.

There is no excuse for KTM not to be the king of Horsepower in the 250s. If Honda can do it - KTM should be able to do it easy.

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7/3/2023 11:00pm Edited Date/Time 7/4/2023 12:48am

Jett would win a championship unless JH is as lucky as in 2018, when he just had one minor injury. In a single race it depends, I’m pretty sure JH would risk his neck to win while Jett wouldn’t

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i dont think any one can compare Jett to any previous or current rider yet... I dont think any of us have seen him at his max speed or potential.. 

especially comparing a 19 year old rookie to a 29 year old Jeffrey Herlings

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Herlings can't even best prado.

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Imagine if he had the hp of  star or honda. 
he will grab some motos this yr.

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There is no excuse for KTM not to be the king of Horsepower in the 250s. If Honda can do it - KTM should be able...

There is no excuse for KTM not to be the king of Horsepower in the 250s. If Honda can do it - KTM should be able to do it easy.

Bingo, its not the bike

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Ivm not saying jett isn't good....but he also has very little competion....no tomac...and others are injured or have just come back from an injury..... 

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mx313 wrote:

Herlings can't even best prado.

You have to have your eye tested...   because you can't see well anymore

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7/4/2023 1:39am
mx313 wrote:

Herlings can't even best prado.

mxxxeR1 wrote:

You have to have your eye tested...   because you can't see well anymore

If he can't see maybe you cannot read championship classifications. Prado had been leading this championship from day 1, and as far as I know JH broke his neck once more while try to close the points gap on Prado. 

Once upon a time Stoner told Valentino Rossi " you have more ambition than talent" , I'd love to hear what he could say about Herlings.

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Et will never race mx again. If he comes back he will be sx only.   As for herlings. Just like Stewart. He will win coz...

Et will never race mx again.

If he comes back he will be sx only.

 

As for herlings. Just like Stewart. He will win coz he rides over his head. Race 24 motos and it will prob be a different story.

Herlings has 2 championships in 7 years.

People seem to forget the 2/7 fact..

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kxking wrote:

I don't follow MXGP's but I was wondering, is it like AMA MX, where anybody (with an AMA pro-license) can sign up and try to qualify? 

ripper69 wrote:

I believe you have to be on a team or something. I know Privateers cant show up and try to qualify like here in the US

kxking wrote:

Thank you

yes, you can qualify.

If i'm right it did cost 5k starting money. As a privateer you can qualify, well if your fast enough. Most time you see some Dutch top nationals joining a mxgp in Holland or Belgium. Even a local women is joining sometimes a race in the WMX in the past. 

Don't pin me on the 5k, don't know if it's still 5k. Don't know if it's still up to day.

 

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mx313 wrote:

Herlings can't even best prado.

mxxxeR1 wrote:

You have to have your eye tested...   because you can't see well anymore

tommyjif wrote:
If he can't see maybe you cannot read championship classifications. Prado had been leading this championship from day 1, and as far as I know JH...

If he can't see maybe you cannot read championship classifications. Prado had been leading this championship from day 1, and as far as I know JH broke his neck once more while try to close the points gap on Prado. 

Once upon a time Stoner told Valentino Rossi " you have more ambition than talent" , I'd love to hear what he could say about Herlings.

Exactly. I tried to do a quick count until herlings was injured they raced something like 26 races and prado finished infront 14 of those times.

I don't give a f if prado holeshot every single race. That's part of winning.

Herlings is easily the fastest rider in the world. And I have no doubt about that. But in trying to push so hard he ends up on his head way to often. So he will prob beat jett 7 out of 10 races. On the 11th he is done. And championships over race wins all day long.

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7/4/2023 6:04am
ripper69 wrote:

I believe you have to be on a team or something. I know Privateers cant show up and try to qualify like here in the US

kxking wrote:

Thank you

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yes, you can qualify. If i'm right it did cost 5k starting money. As a privateer you can qualify, well if your fast enough. Most time...

yes, you can qualify.

If i'm right it did cost 5k starting money. As a privateer you can qualify, well if your fast enough. Most time you see some Dutch top nationals joining a mxgp in Holland or Belgium. Even a local women is joining sometimes a race in the WMX in the past. 

Don't pin me on the 5k, don't know if it's still 5k. Don't know if it's still up to day.

 

I believe it was 1K and they dropped it to 300 euros.

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kxking wrote:

Thank you

FU2 wrote:
yes, you can qualify. If i'm right it did cost 5k starting money. As a privateer you can qualify, well if your fast enough. Most time...

yes, you can qualify.

If i'm right it did cost 5k starting money. As a privateer you can qualify, well if your fast enough. Most time you see some Dutch top nationals joining a mxgp in Holland or Belgium. Even a local women is joining sometimes a race in the WMX in the past. 

Don't pin me on the 5k, don't know if it's still 5k. Don't know if it's still up to day.

 

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I believe it was 1K and they dropped it to 300 euros.

it was 1500 or 3500 euro. That was the price to join a women race in Assen 2017. They were funding, to let a lady ride her dream in that period. Well she did it in Assen. Had to think back what it was and the amount , to long ago.

Starting entry was/is 10k for a rider to start the MXGP season.

If it was 1K or even 300, i would try it for one time Grinning Would give me some airtime and a ride back in a ambulance, or  T-bone Prado of the track and be done for the day.
300? That was the cost on a Monday after the gp in Assen to ride on a beat up track that the boys left behind. 

Maybe ur right and it's 300, then the pizza boys are not so greedy anymore. Going to ask what it's now these days.

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Previously it cost 1000 euro to enter, so this much cheaper route for guys who are not full time GP racers.
Ok, then it was 1500 for the WMX in Assen in 2017.

The good news on the wild card riders, at least what I was told, they pay 300euro per round and included in that were three paddock passes, so if you are a fan and can race, get in and collect your three paddock passes for a rather good price and then you get to try and qualify as well. Well, anything is possible.

Ok, that's cleared up, you're right with 1k and 300 Laughing 

 

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7/4/2023 7:07am Edited Date/Time 7/4/2023 7:08am
Paul_Jacky wrote:
Who knows how herlings come back will be after this, there is a switch waiting being pressed on to tune it down someday. But maybe the...

Who knows how herlings come back will be after this, there is a switch waiting being pressed on to tune it down someday. But maybe the bullet has no fear and goes faster then before 🙈 this season is over so don’t expect big results anymore maybe at Mxon, but my wish is just go ama and do something amazing no rider has done before win both championship’s.. but I’m pretty sure both company’s don’t want that kind of attention. If a rider from mxgp goes ama just to prove he is the best rider of the world then after he succeeded goes back to mxgp. then ama lost all their  credibility to be a big deal in the mx world  and herlings may be the only rider who can pull that off 

 

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The thing is he probably cant do that anymore unfortunately. He absolutely could come over for 1 race again and lay the smack down, but to...

The thing is he probably cant do that anymore unfortunately. He absolutely could come over for 1 race again and lay the smack down, but to come over and race all new tracks, in a different series, living in a different country, and win the championship vs jett who might be the GOAT when all is said n done plus Sexton, when he already has a hard time finishing the series he knows like the back of his hand, I just dont think theres a high possibility of that happening anymore vs before. 
 

He could absolutely win a few races, but if hes not even finishing the mxgp championships which he has always raced, I dont see him coming over here and beating Jett on his first go. Plus it would have to be next year when Jett wont be a rookie anymore and will be even faster and possibly coming off a perfect season his rookie year. Dont get me wrong Id loveeee to see Jeffrey come over here and battle Jett and Sexton, that would be epic. Im just saying its not a foregone conclusion anymore that hed woop everyones ass like it was 3-5 years ago. This isnt even a pro American thing either Jett is Australian, so Im making the case that the new FMOTP may be out of Australia. If hes not this year he will be next year. 

I must say it’s a very nice and respectful discussion, nice job mx fans  👍 maybe it’s a bit far stretched to think herlings can come over find a house get settled and win a championship I know he is good but that’s really a tough task.. still I think it’s sad those guys go for multiple world titles like herlings cairoli Everts gajser Carmichael steward etc just try a championship over seas Damn if I had their speed I would do it 

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If he can't see maybe you cannot read championship classifications. Prado had been leading this championship from day 1, and as far as I know JH...

If he can't see maybe you cannot read championship classifications. Prado had been leading this championship from day 1, and as far as I know JH broke his neck once more while try to close the points gap on Prado. 

Once upon a time Stoner told Valentino Rossi " you have more ambition than talent" , I'd love to hear what he could say about Herlings.

If Stoner had the mental fortitude of Rossi he would have twice as many titles. 

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