Stark Vargs (as in plural)

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crt32 6/28/2023 9:59am
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Falcon wrote:

A friend of mine posted this on Facebook this morning. 

EDIT: Fixing the image

 

So do all customers get a trip to Spain prior to their delivery? 

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APLMAN99 6/28/2023 12:25pm
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Silas444 wrote:
If I were to guess, I'd say they are probably developing a street-legal bike even as I type. Perhaps a city bike, perhaps an adventure bike...

If I were to guess, I'd say they are probably developing a street-legal bike even as I type. Perhaps a city bike, perhaps an adventure bike, perhaps an enduro, perhaps all three. Wouldn't be surprised to see a trials bike, either, and I'd say smaller racers (65cc equivalent, 85cc equivalent) are as good as a lock. 

One of the freedoms they have in not attaching a specific year to their bike (the Varg is just Model 1, or some such lingo), is that they can manufacture that bike far into the future, even after they release an all-new next-generation bike. This approach allows them to slowly drop the price of that existing bike, as their initial production costs (mold making, motor castings, etcetera) are long gone. It's a smarter way to go, and yet another reason why the other OEMs are likely banging their fists on their polished-mahogany boardroom tables wondering how the hell they got out-smarted so badly by a tiny little nobody.   

APLMAN99 wrote:
I didn't realize that there are no model years attached to the bikes.  Does that mean that people who title their motorcycles will not be able...

I didn't realize that there are no model years attached to the bikes.  Does that mean that people who title their motorcycles will not be able to obtain a title for these?  Is there not a VIN number to identify the bike that has a model year digit in it?

The real Sasquatch wrote:
As long as they have a vin and date of manufacture and comes with a certificate of origin  I would think you could title it. They...

As long as they have a vin and date of manufacture and comes with a certificate of origin  I would think you could title it. They go off the year its made and not the model year right?  The model Year is more of a naming thing these days anyway. Most bikes are made in the year before the year in their name. I have not seen or heard Stark say this. But it wouldn't surprise me if they went that way. It sounds like a Tech company way of doing stuff.  You could still have  Varg model 1  that was made in 2024 or 2022 and they would call it the model 1 so people know its the same bike.  Cat has a letter after the number that tells you what generation an excavator is. They still have the date of manufacture , but its less important than the hours on the machine and what generation it is.  

In Washington, our titles have a model year listed and it isn't always the same as the build year.  So there would seem to need to be a model year designated by the manufacturer in order to title it.  Also, the AMA homologation method goes by model year, so if they ever are able to race in AMA competition they'd have to use model years for that as well.  

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Falcon 6/28/2023 1:04pm
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Falcon wrote:

A friend of mine posted this on Facebook this morning. 

EDIT: Fixing the image

 

thewrizzle wrote:

I don’t know if you “erased” his name or not, but it’s also down in the bottom left.

Thanks; I missed that for sure. Edited out for privacy.

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GrapeApe 6/28/2023 1:30pm
6/28/2023 1:30pm Edited Date/Time 6/28/2023 1:31pm
Falcon wrote:

A friend of mine posted this on Facebook this morning. 

EDIT: Fixing the image

 

crt32 wrote:
So do all customers get a trip to Spain prior to their delivery? 

So do all customers get a trip to Spain prior to their delivery? 

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That makes the price of the Varg pretty reasonable if it includes a paid trip to Spain

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The screenwriter of this Varg story will get the Academy Award 

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HonDawg17 6/28/2023 2:58pm
6/28/2023 2:58pm
crt32 wrote:
So do all customers get a trip to Spain prior to their delivery? 

So do all customers get a trip to Spain prior to their delivery? 

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Right? How come all the "customers" are getting VIP vacation trips to ride the bike? That's not normal. And looks like forced Press Releases that say "Hey guys, SEE we're actually getting bikes to the riders". Its all for publicity. The whole thing seems turtle-neck fishy.

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quadzrulebro 6/28/2023 3:45pm
6/28/2023 3:45pm
245MX wrote:
I'm a regular folk with one on order, my delivery date currently says 30th June 2023. Two weeks from now. Guess I'll see if they let...

I'm a regular folk with one on order, my delivery date currently says 30th June 2023. Two weeks from now. Guess I'll see if they let me down at the last minute Unsure

So did you get confirmation from your dealer that you can pick it up this week?  Have they sent you your travel arrangements for your trip to Spain yet?

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The real Sasquatch 6/28/2023 5:52pm
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APLMAN99 wrote:
I didn't realize that there are no model years attached to the bikes.  Does that mean that people who title their motorcycles will not be able...

I didn't realize that there are no model years attached to the bikes.  Does that mean that people who title their motorcycles will not be able to obtain a title for these?  Is there not a VIN number to identify the bike that has a model year digit in it?

The real Sasquatch wrote:
As long as they have a vin and date of manufacture and comes with a certificate of origin  I would think you could title it. They...

As long as they have a vin and date of manufacture and comes with a certificate of origin  I would think you could title it. They go off the year its made and not the model year right?  The model Year is more of a naming thing these days anyway. Most bikes are made in the year before the year in their name. I have not seen or heard Stark say this. But it wouldn't surprise me if they went that way. It sounds like a Tech company way of doing stuff.  You could still have  Varg model 1  that was made in 2024 or 2022 and they would call it the model 1 so people know its the same bike.  Cat has a letter after the number that tells you what generation an excavator is. They still have the date of manufacture , but its less important than the hours on the machine and what generation it is.  

APLMAN99 wrote:
In Washington, our titles have a model year listed and it isn't always the same as the build year.  So there would seem to need to...

In Washington, our titles have a model year listed and it isn't always the same as the build year.  So there would seem to need to be a model year designated by the manufacturer in order to title it.  Also, the AMA homologation method goes by model year, so if they ever are able to race in AMA competition they'd have to use model years for that as well.  

I had not seen anyplace that Stark themselves or  anybody else said they were not going to attach a model year to the bike.  Only what was said by Silas444. So I was commenting on what he said. I've been very busy lately so maybe I deleted some of my post that explained that , trying to not make it as long as it was.  How do Tesla's and Cat heavy equipment get titles in Your state? They have model names that are done the same way.   

I am sure if they need to attach a model year to the name of the bike on the title they will do it to make it legal. Otherwise they would not be able to sell it in every state. I really do not care enough to look into it much more. But  I would guess if they did do it, they would just be calling it a model one instead of a 2023. Like how on CO's it will give the year it was built , but nobody refers to   that  year when they talk about the bike.  Nobody says My 2023 that was built in 2022. They say their 2023. And with a Varg You might just say my Vark  Model 1. instead of saying my 2023 Varg.  And only in the sense of what they officially call it. 

             

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Last2Stroke 6/28/2023 6:08pm
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The real Sasquatch wrote:
As long as they have a vin and date of manufacture and comes with a certificate of origin  I would think you could title it. They...

As long as they have a vin and date of manufacture and comes with a certificate of origin  I would think you could title it. They go off the year its made and not the model year right?  The model Year is more of a naming thing these days anyway. Most bikes are made in the year before the year in their name. I have not seen or heard Stark say this. But it wouldn't surprise me if they went that way. It sounds like a Tech company way of doing stuff.  You could still have  Varg model 1  that was made in 2024 or 2022 and they would call it the model 1 so people know its the same bike.  Cat has a letter after the number that tells you what generation an excavator is. They still have the date of manufacture , but its less important than the hours on the machine and what generation it is.  

APLMAN99 wrote:
In Washington, our titles have a model year listed and it isn't always the same as the build year.  So there would seem to need to...

In Washington, our titles have a model year listed and it isn't always the same as the build year.  So there would seem to need to be a model year designated by the manufacturer in order to title it.  Also, the AMA homologation method goes by model year, so if they ever are able to race in AMA competition they'd have to use model years for that as well.  

The real Sasquatch wrote:
I had not seen anyplace that Stark themselves or  anybody else said they were not going to attach a model year to the bike.  Only what...

I had not seen anyplace that Stark themselves or  anybody else said they were not going to attach a model year to the bike.  Only what was said by Silas444. So I was commenting on what he said. I've been very busy lately so maybe I deleted some of my post that explained that , trying to not make it as long as it was.  How do Tesla's and Cat heavy equipment get titles in Your state? They have model names that are done the same way.   

I am sure if they need to attach a model year to the name of the bike on the title they will do it to make it legal. Otherwise they would not be able to sell it in every state. I really do not care enough to look into it much more. But  I would guess if they did do it, they would just be calling it a model one instead of a 2023. Like how on CO's it will give the year it was built , but nobody refers to   that  year when they talk about the bike.  Nobody says My 2023 that was built in 2022. They say their 2023. And with a Varg You might just say my Vark  Model 1. instead of saying my 2023 Varg.  And only in the sense of what they officially call it. 

             

The model year is the 10th digit of the VIN...

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Sorry Brian, your bike is last years model!

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Silas444 6/28/2023 6:12pm
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I think I'm being misunderstood. The Stark Varg Model 1 (or whatever it's called) would have a year of manufacture and a vin number, of course. My point wasn't that it was a timeless bike with no traceable origin, but that Wass had hinted Stark would continue to manufacture that "model" even after its replacement "Model Two," (or whatever they decide to name it) is released. Unlike all the existing OEMs, who stick with the same nomenclature every year (E.G. CRF450R, KX450, YZ250F, SXF250) and thus are forced to discontinue production on a bike once it's replacement arrives, Stark has given themselves the freedom to extend the existing model's viability timeline and thus make it steadily more affordable to a public which will (in all likelihood) slowly be adapting to the idea of it.

Smart.

 

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The first one has popped up in Australia, I can't remember his social media handle but Sleeter shared it a couple days ago.

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keinz 6/29/2023 12:05am
6/29/2023 12:05am Edited Date/Time 6/29/2023 12:11am
Falcon wrote:

A friend of mine posted this on Facebook this morning. 

EDIT: Fixing the image

 

crt32 wrote:
So do all customers get a trip to Spain prior to their delivery? 

So do all customers get a trip to Spain prior to their delivery? 

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GrapeApe wrote:

That makes the price of the Varg pretty reasonable if it includes a paid trip to Spain

At least my trip was not paid for by Stark, and as far as I know, just Stark distributors are invited to visit HQ and the test tracknot customers 

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djr 6/29/2023 1:51am
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Falcon wrote:

A friend of mine posted this on Facebook this morning. 

EDIT: Fixing the image

 

thewrizzle wrote:

I don’t know if you “erased” his name or not, but it’s also down in the bottom left.

Falcon wrote:
Thanks; I missed that for sure. Edited out for privacy.  

Thanks; I missed that for sure. Edited out for privacy.

Screenshot 20230628-065216~4.png?VersionId=iIBdDkM

 

If you wanted "privacy" , you wouldn't post it on Facebook, would you ?

I wasn't keen on these bikes, but now it seems you get a free trip to Spain, perhaps I will order one

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Last2Stroke 6/29/2023 3:17am
6/29/2023 3:17am
Falcon wrote:

A friend of mine posted this on Facebook this morning. 

EDIT: Fixing the image

 

crt32 wrote:
So do all customers get a trip to Spain prior to their delivery? 

So do all customers get a trip to Spain prior to their delivery? 

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Yes, because so far all customers are Stark insiders.

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APLMAN99 6/29/2023 7:09am
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Silas444 wrote:
I think I'm being misunderstood. The Stark Varg Model 1 (or whatever it's called) would have a year of manufacture and a vin number, of course. My...

I think I'm being misunderstood. The Stark Varg Model 1 (or whatever it's called) would have a year of manufacture and a vin number, of course. My point wasn't that it was a timeless bike with no traceable origin, but that Wass had hinted Stark would continue to manufacture that "model" even after its replacement "Model Two," (or whatever they decide to name it) is released. Unlike all the existing OEMs, who stick with the same nomenclature every year (E.G. CRF450R, KX450, YZ250F, SXF250) and thus are forced to discontinue production on a bike once it's replacement arrives, Stark has given themselves the freedom to extend the existing model's viability timeline and thus make it steadily more affordable to a public which will (in all likelihood) slowly be adapting to the idea of it.

Smart.

 

Honda has been doing that for a couple years with the some of the CRF450s, haven’t they?  
 

 

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The real Sasquatch 6/29/2023 8:41am
6/29/2023 8:41am
Silas444 wrote:
I think I'm being misunderstood. The Stark Varg Model 1 (or whatever it's called) would have a year of manufacture and a vin number, of course. My...

I think I'm being misunderstood. The Stark Varg Model 1 (or whatever it's called) would have a year of manufacture and a vin number, of course. My point wasn't that it was a timeless bike with no traceable origin, but that Wass had hinted Stark would continue to manufacture that "model" even after its replacement "Model Two," (or whatever they decide to name it) is released. Unlike all the existing OEMs, who stick with the same nomenclature every year (E.G. CRF450R, KX450, YZ250F, SXF250) and thus are forced to discontinue production on a bike once it's replacement arrives, Stark has given themselves the freedom to extend the existing model's viability timeline and thus make it steadily more affordable to a public which will (in all likelihood) slowly be adapting to the idea of it.

Smart.

 

I  know what you mean . I was doing a bad job of trying to explain that it was in name only ( and why I felt that it could be good) while trying to keep it short.    I know I deleted parts of the post before posting that might have made more sense and been less confusing . But I also did not really think that anybody was thinking Stark was going to try and make a vehicle that did not have the proper documents to be imported.     

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The real Sasquatch 6/29/2023 8:51am
6/29/2023 8:51am
Silas444 wrote:
I think I'm being misunderstood. The Stark Varg Model 1 (or whatever it's called) would have a year of manufacture and a vin number, of course. My...

I think I'm being misunderstood. The Stark Varg Model 1 (or whatever it's called) would have a year of manufacture and a vin number, of course. My point wasn't that it was a timeless bike with no traceable origin, but that Wass had hinted Stark would continue to manufacture that "model" even after its replacement "Model Two," (or whatever they decide to name it) is released. Unlike all the existing OEMs, who stick with the same nomenclature every year (E.G. CRF450R, KX450, YZ250F, SXF250) and thus are forced to discontinue production on a bike once it's replacement arrives, Stark has given themselves the freedom to extend the existing model's viability timeline and thus make it steadily more affordable to a public which will (in all likelihood) slowly be adapting to the idea of it.

Smart.

 

APLMAN99 wrote:

Honda has been doing that for a couple years with the some of the CRF450s, haven’t they?  
 

 

Kinda. The RS model has 2 versions I know of. the 2023 RS is the 2021 model. Maybe they use the 2023 as part of the name to tell you it's different from the 22 RS.  If what Silas444 is saying is what they are doing  wIth Stark they would have a Model 1 that would be the same for its entire lifetime of being built. So if they built it for 10 years , a model 1  from 2022 or 2032 would be mechanically the same, and as long as the software was up to date they would be exactly the same. Then when they change parts on the bike they would go to a model 1.1 or model 2 .   

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Falcon 6/29/2023 11:53am
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thewrizzle wrote:

I don’t know if you “erased” his name or not, but it’s also down in the bottom left.

Falcon wrote:
Thanks; I missed that for sure. Edited out for privacy.  

Thanks; I missed that for sure. Edited out for privacy.

Screenshot 20230628-065216~4.png?VersionId=iIBdDkM

 

djr wrote:
If you wanted "privacy" , you wouldn't post it on Facebook, would you ? I wasn't keen on these bikes, but now it seems you get...

If you wanted "privacy" , you wouldn't post it on Facebook, would you ?

I wasn't keen on these bikes, but now it seems you get a free trip to Spain, perhaps I will order one

Better safe than sorry. I don't know if my Facebook friend, or if his friend whose bike that is, would want their identities plastered all over Vital. Just trying to be cool while still posting a relevant picture. 

 

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The real Sasquatch 6/29/2023 1:39pm
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Falcon wrote:
Thanks; I missed that for sure. Edited out for privacy.  

Thanks; I missed that for sure. Edited out for privacy.

Screenshot 20230628-065216~4.png?VersionId=iIBdDkM

 

djr wrote:
If you wanted "privacy" , you wouldn't post it on Facebook, would you ? I wasn't keen on these bikes, but now it seems you get...

If you wanted "privacy" , you wouldn't post it on Facebook, would you ?

I wasn't keen on these bikes, but now it seems you get a free trip to Spain, perhaps I will order one

Falcon wrote:
Better safe than sorry. I don't know if my Facebook friend, or if [i]his[/i] friend whose bike that is, would want their identities plastered all over...

Better safe than sorry. I don't know if my Facebook friend, or if his friend whose bike that is, would want their identities plastered all over Vital. Just trying to be cool while still posting a relevant picture. 

 

People can have their Facebook account setup so only their friends can see their photos so the friend could have posted thinking the small group of their friends would be the people who saw it. And not intended to put himself out there more than that. So it makes sense to cover the name if you are unsure. 

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quadzrulebro 6/29/2023 1:52pm
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crt32 wrote:
So do all customers get a trip to Spain prior to their delivery? 

So do all customers get a trip to Spain prior to their delivery? 

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GrapeApe wrote:

That makes the price of the Varg pretty reasonable if it includes a paid trip to Spain

keinz wrote:
At least my trip was not paid for by Stark, and as far as I know, just Stark distributors are invited to visit HQ and the...

At least my trip was not paid for by Stark, and as far as I know, just Stark distributors are invited to visit HQ and the test tracknot customers 

Distributors and shills.  Don’t forget the shills.  
 

Rumor has it shills are smart, articulate, fast, and probably very handsome.  Just like a politician.

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lumpy790 6/30/2023 6:23am
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Date of manufacture is not the same year as the units model year as stated.

Shops already have new 2024 models in stock so if that was true they would all still be 2023’s.

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lumpy790 wrote:
Date of manufacture is not the same year as the units model year as stated. Shops already have new 2024 models in stock so if that...

Date of manufacture is not the same year as the units model year as stated.

Shops already have new 2024 models in stock so if that was true they would all still be 2023’s.

The way the Feds handle it is this: Manufactured in 2023 = 2024 model. Cool

It doesn't matter when it was sold or imported. 

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quadzrulebro 6/30/2023 11:09am
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245MX wrote:
I'm a regular folk with one on order, my delivery date currently says 30th June 2023. Two weeks from now. Guess I'll see if they let...

I'm a regular folk with one on order, my delivery date currently says 30th June 2023. Two weeks from now. Guess I'll see if they let me down at the last minute Unsure

So?  New bike day?

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I saw a Varg today at my local track. Apparently there are 5 in Sweden. 

Oh my it's fast, it looks so much more powerful than regular bikes. No mxgp pros on track of course but compared to local heroes and how they ride you can easily see the power instantly available compared to regular bikes.

All good, the seat doesn't look great IRL but that's a matter of taste. 

I liked what I saw! 

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Josh422 7/5/2023 6:04pm
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I got an email today saying production was coming soon and there would be another email asking to firm up details on my reservation, shipping and payment. My account has said a ETA of 8/31 for a while now.

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Josh422 wrote:
I got an email today saying production was coming soon and there would be another email asking to firm up details on my reservation, shipping and...

I got an email today saying production was coming soon and there would be another email asking to firm up details on my reservation, shipping and payment. My account has said a ETA of 8/31 for a while now.

I got the same email and have the same 8/31 delivery date.

Starting to feel real!

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Last2Stroke 7/5/2023 8:38pm
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@Josh422, @prida28 when you receive your Varg's can you do a review of the things you don't like?

Do the plastics break easily in a crash? Asking for a friend!

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crt32 7/6/2023 11:33am
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@245MX did your bike show up?

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Last2Stroke wrote:
@Josh422, @prida28 when you receive your Varg's can you do a review of the things you don't like? Do the plastics break easily in a...

@Josh422, @prida28 when you receive your Varg's can you do a review of the things you don't like?

Do the plastics break easily in a crash? Asking for a friend!

Ive had a few tip overs and the plastics have held up fine. I will say though that my shrouds are pretty scuffed up already from my knees braces and the side plates from my boots, but thats kind of expected with no graphics on the bike

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313 SlowDown 7/24/2023 7:44am
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Is the Pro and Con Stark Varg community all tanning on the beach? This used to be good fun, keep me updated

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