To the people that want WSX to fail or think it’s a negative, what are your reasons?

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6/27/2023 3:27am Edited Date/Time 6/27/2023 3:29am
DonM wrote:
Seriously who really cares…Americans have always had a different view on what a world championship is…to us a world champion is a team/someone competes with the...

Seriously who really cares…Americans have always had a different view on what a world championship is…to us a world champion is a team/someone competes with the best in the world and wins regardless where the event(s) are held….the rest of the world believes that it must travel the world and compete, regardless of the level of competition constitutes a world champion…just different views that’s all…hell parts of the world drive on the left side of the road…it’s not wrong it’s just different…

Another xenophobic, hubris laden Don M post.

WSX is the only legitimate supercross world championship.

This is because the FIM, which represents 170 or so affiliate countries, and is a branch of the United Nations allocates this honour (for a fee, if course). The United Nations, headquartered in New York, and established with  US (and Australian) leadership at the end of WW2 was created explicitly for international oversight roles like this.

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DonM wrote:
Seriously who really cares…Americans have always had a different view on what a world championship is…to us a world champion is a team/someone competes with the...

Seriously who really cares…Americans have always had a different view on what a world championship is…to us a world champion is a team/someone competes with the best in the world and wins regardless where the event(s) are held….the rest of the world believes that it must travel the world and compete, regardless of the level of competition constitutes a world champion…just different views that’s all…hell parts of the world drive on the left side of the road…it’s not wrong it’s just different…

Goldmember wrote:
Another xenophobic, hubris laden Don M post. WSX is the only legitimate supercross world championship. This is because the FIM, which represents 170 or so affiliate...

Another xenophobic, hubris laden Don M post.

WSX is the only legitimate supercross world championship.

This is because the FIM, which represents 170 or so affiliate countries, and is a branch of the United Nations allocates this honour (for a fee, if course). The United Nations, headquartered in New York, and established with  US (and Australian) leadership at the end of WW2 was created explicitly for international oversight roles like this.

The United Nations, knowing there involved with that failure is enough to be glad we have no part in the FIM. 

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6/27/2023 4:45am Edited Date/Time 6/27/2023 4:46am

I’m not trying to hate on the us riders I’m a fan of the sport, but why is no American rider going for the mxgp title I’m sure when you become world champion you get the money and deep pockets  and the title ofcourse if they are really serious about how good they are but still never won a us title go race mxgp then if not please don’t hate on wsx they will  go international 

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Paul_Jacky wrote:
I’m not trying to hate on the us riders I’m a fan of the sport, but why is no American rider going for the mxgp title...

I’m not trying to hate on the us riders I’m a fan of the sport, but why is no American rider going for the mxgp title I’m sure when you become world champion you get the money and deep pockets  and the title ofcourse if they are really serious about how good they are but still never won a us title go race mxgp then if not please don’t hate on wsx they will  go international 

Our top riders get lucrative contracts to try and win a Supercross championship is the main reason .  Honestly there's not a lot of interest in the GPs here as evidenced by USGPs being ghost towns . I don't agree , I love the GPs but that's where we are  

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6/27/2023 5:21am

In reality, Outdoors is what we all do... It's more real to us....  Further fragmenting our sports is not warranted.  The GP guys won't race it, and with all the injuries in the sports these days, it's not going to live long.   Hopefully, FIM is looking at the safety issues, there's no other sports out there allowing the carnage we're seeing right now.

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DonM wrote:
Seriously who really cares…Americans have always had a different view on what a world championship is…to us a world champion is a team/someone competes with the...

Seriously who really cares…Americans have always had a different view on what a world championship is…to us a world champion is a team/someone competes with the best in the world and wins regardless where the event(s) are held….the rest of the world believes that it must travel the world and compete, regardless of the level of competition constitutes a world champion…just different views that’s all…hell parts of the world drive on the left side of the road…it’s not wrong it’s just different…

Goldmember wrote:
Another xenophobic, hubris laden Don M post. WSX is the only legitimate supercross world championship. This is because the FIM, which represents 170 or so affiliate...

Another xenophobic, hubris laden Don M post.

WSX is the only legitimate supercross world championship.

This is because the FIM, which represents 170 or so affiliate countries, and is a branch of the United Nations allocates this honour (for a fee, if course). The United Nations, headquartered in New York, and established with  US (and Australian) leadership at the end of WW2 was created explicitly for international oversight roles like this.

United Nations, what!?

Man you come up with some wild stuff.

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Make it free to watch on YouTube or online somewhere and I’m in! Like DV on pulp! YOUTUBE! 

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The United Nations, knowing there involved with that failure is enough to be glad we have no part in the FIM. 

The AMA is the FIM's North American affiliate.

There are very many good reasons for this.

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The United Nations, knowing there involved with that failure is enough to be glad we have no part in the FIM. 

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The AMA is the FIM's North American affiliate. There are very many good reasons for this.  

The AMA is the FIM's North American affiliate.

There are very many good reasons for this.

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Name some 

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Make it free to watch on YouTube or online somewhere and I’m in! Like DV on pulp! YOUTUBE! 

You realize someday, SX Global plans on making money with WSX, right?

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A longer season will burn out the riders faster leading to more injuries.  Schedule SX back to back nights and start the season in Feb. There used to be back to back nights in Detroit, Seattle and Houston. LA should definitely have back to back nights. Helps the privateer keep costs down and forces riders to save a bit for the next day.

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That’s been the rumors for years, that most riders don’t like racing the outdoors anymore. It’s not for sissy’s that’s for sure. I think the cons...

That’s been the rumors for years, that most riders don’t like racing the outdoors anymore. It’s not for sissy’s that’s for sure. I think the cons far outweigh the pros.

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How many "OnlySX" riders have won a championship? 1? Half seasons don't help riders competitiveness. 

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3 I can think of , 

mc

reed and Stewart 

I should have checked the numbers haha. MC lined up at GH and Washougal in 98 and GH in 99, but didn't line up for any outdoors in 2000 and 01. Reed was SX only in 08 and Stew was sx only in 09, those were the last championships any of those guys won. I still think SX only doesn't work, nobody has been able to sustain it and continue being on top.

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6/27/2023 9:13am
endurox wrote:
A longer season will burn out the riders faster leading to more injuries.  Schedule SX back to back nights and start the season in Feb. There...

A longer season will burn out the riders faster leading to more injuries.  Schedule SX back to back nights and start the season in Feb. There used to be back to back nights in Detroit, Seattle and Houston. LA should definitely have back to back nights. Helps the privateer keep costs down and forces riders to save a bit for the next day.

Exactly, scale back maybe 3 rounds from SX or do back to back as you say and then do what Moto GP or F1 do and have mid season break or 3-4 weeks before the Nationals start and give the riders a chance to recharge. More rounds, more travel equals more burnout for the riders. At the end of the day SX to the average rider isn’t anything as they don’t do it. Outdoor is what the average rider does and admires more. 

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6/27/2023 10:03am

Healthy competition in an open market only increases the level of the product or service for the consumer. I am down 100% for it. 

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6/27/2023 10:17am Edited Date/Time 6/27/2023 11:14am
Paul_Jacky wrote:
I’m not trying to hate on the us riders I’m a fan of the sport, but why is no American rider going for the mxgp title...

I’m not trying to hate on the us riders I’m a fan of the sport, but why is no American rider going for the mxgp title I’m sure when you become world champion you get the money and deep pockets  and the title ofcourse if they are really serious about how good they are but still never won a us title go race mxgp then if not please don’t hate on wsx they will  go international 

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Our top riders get lucrative contracts to try and win a Supercross championship is the main reason .  Honestly there's not a lot of interest in...

Our top riders get lucrative contracts to try and win a Supercross championship is the main reason .  Honestly there's not a lot of interest in the GPs here as evidenced by USGPs being ghost towns . I don't agree , I love the GPs but that's where we are  

That’s a shame it’s weird  you are addicted to the sport then a pro goal is to become champion at sx, mission accomplished then goes for another title??  I think that’s not worth more then when you get those multiple titles at different leagues, a multiple champion for the same thing you did last year and eventually goes to retirement. A ama champion sx champion and mxgp champion would overclass any goat 

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6/27/2023 11:08am

the united nations is a joke.  just look at the countries they put in charge of human rights abuses.  year after year.

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Paul_Jacky wrote:
I’m not trying to hate on the us riders I’m a fan of the sport, but why is no American rider going for the mxgp title...

I’m not trying to hate on the us riders I’m a fan of the sport, but why is no American rider going for the mxgp title I’m sure when you become world champion you get the money and deep pockets  and the title ofcourse if they are really serious about how good they are but still never won a us title go race mxgp then if not please don’t hate on wsx they will  go international 

ATKpilot99 wrote:
Our top riders get lucrative contracts to try and win a Supercross championship is the main reason .  Honestly there's not a lot of interest in...

Our top riders get lucrative contracts to try and win a Supercross championship is the main reason .  Honestly there's not a lot of interest in the GPs here as evidenced by USGPs being ghost towns . I don't agree , I love the GPs but that's where we are  

Paul_Jacky wrote:
That’s a shame it’s weird  you are addicted to the sport then a pro goal is to become champion at sx, mission accomplished then goes for...

That’s a shame it’s weird  you are addicted to the sport then a pro goal is to become champion at sx, mission accomplished then goes for another title??  I think that’s not worth more then when you get those multiple titles at different leagues, a multiple champion for the same thing you did last year and eventually goes to retirement. A ama champion sx champion and mxgp champion would overclass any goat 

It's obviously just not that important to our riders . I remember an interview with Bob Hannah years ago when asked if he wanted to win a world title and he said he didn't because Lackey had already done it . Strange reasoning but our Championships have stood shoulder to shoulder with the GPs for years . It's mostly riders who can't get a good ride here that try it . And a few of those have won world titles .

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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Our top riders get lucrative contracts to try and win a Supercross championship is the main reason .  Honestly there's not a lot of interest in...

Our top riders get lucrative contracts to try and win a Supercross championship is the main reason .  Honestly there's not a lot of interest in the GPs here as evidenced by USGPs being ghost towns . I don't agree , I love the GPs but that's where we are  

Paul_Jacky wrote:
That’s a shame it’s weird  you are addicted to the sport then a pro goal is to become champion at sx, mission accomplished then goes for...

That’s a shame it’s weird  you are addicted to the sport then a pro goal is to become champion at sx, mission accomplished then goes for another title??  I think that’s not worth more then when you get those multiple titles at different leagues, a multiple champion for the same thing you did last year and eventually goes to retirement. A ama champion sx champion and mxgp champion would overclass any goat 

ATKpilot99 wrote:
It's obviously just not that important to our riders . I remember an interview with Bob Hannah years ago when asked if he wanted to win...

It's obviously just not that important to our riders . I remember an interview with Bob Hannah years ago when asked if he wanted to win a world title and he said he didn't because Lackey had already done it . Strange reasoning but our Championships have stood shoulder to shoulder with the GPs for years . It's mostly riders who can't get a good ride here that try it . And a few of those have won world titles .

That roles switched recently in my opinion ferrandis being a prime example , the US has made supercross the money maker it is now it was always going to step out at one point and go global ( will it work , who knows ? ) 👍

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6/27/2023 11:53am
Paul_Jacky wrote:
That’s a shame it’s weird  you are addicted to the sport then a pro goal is to become champion at sx, mission accomplished then goes for...

That’s a shame it’s weird  you are addicted to the sport then a pro goal is to become champion at sx, mission accomplished then goes for another title??  I think that’s not worth more then when you get those multiple titles at different leagues, a multiple champion for the same thing you did last year and eventually goes to retirement. A ama champion sx champion and mxgp champion would overclass any goat 

ATKpilot99 wrote:
It's obviously just not that important to our riders . I remember an interview with Bob Hannah years ago when asked if he wanted to win...

It's obviously just not that important to our riders . I remember an interview with Bob Hannah years ago when asked if he wanted to win a world title and he said he didn't because Lackey had already done it . Strange reasoning but our Championships have stood shoulder to shoulder with the GPs for years . It's mostly riders who can't get a good ride here that try it . And a few of those have won world titles .

64smoker wrote:
That roles switched recently in my opinion ferrandis being a prime example , the US has made supercross the money maker it is now it was...

That roles switched recently in my opinion ferrandis being a prime example , the US has made supercross the money maker it is now it was always going to step out at one point and go global ( will it work , who knows ? ) 👍

Ferrandis' win is an example of a rider improving . He probably could have contended in the GPs that season also . The point is an FIM  World Championship by and large is not a goal of most American riders . Do I wish that would change ? Hell yeah but I don't think it will happen in the foreseeable future .

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6/27/2023 12:13pm

I'll be super interested if a lot of the Euro fans in this thread start to change their tone if WSX starts poaching MXGP riders and that series gets even worse turnouts considering they already have trouble filling the gate with 40 and the purse is dreadful. 

 

I get the Aussie's, they just want anything at this point. But the Euro's about to find out what "Supercross Only" riders is all about if WSX ever takes off. 

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MXGP's purse is not "dreadful": it's "non existent".

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6/27/2023 12:45pm

Let's be real here. The FIM is only doing this to piss off AMA and Feld Entertainment since their split. They keep cancelling events. And they promote insane Top Tier full gate purse amount for Tier 2 & 3 quality of riders. No one will fill the seats and pay to watch the 10th place rider from AMA SX to win a WSX race / championship. Maybe if they spend the money on tough blocks this year to keep riders typical safety measures in tact, instead of cardboard boxes, that would be a start.

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6/27/2023 1:13pm

The logic of it only being a world championship if it’s held in venues around the world sounds good until you realize that Vince Friese had a legitimate chance to be named a World Champion last year from two rounds of racing 

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Well, nothing new: Heath Voss actually won the 2004 FIM supercross world championship.

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6/27/2023 7:03pm Edited Date/Time 6/27/2023 8:08pm
RACING wrote:
Well, nothing new: Heath Voss actually won the 2004 FIM supercross world championship.

Well, nothing new: Heath Voss actually won the 2004 FIM supercross world championship.

Laughing

David Vuillemin also became world champion supercross believe it where 3 or 4 rounds, nonetheless it’s to bad no American. Wants to go ride mxgp that would be awesome. Funny though allot of great euro riders go to the us but none from the us go euro.. and all because of that damn sx  Combined Sx Mx riders vs pure Mx riders no chance 

6/27/2023 7:46pm

I don't want it to fail, but I'm pretty indifferent at this point.  Why?  I like MX significantly more than SX. 

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I'll be super interested if a lot of the Euro fans in this thread start to change their tone if WSX starts poaching MXGP riders and...

I'll be super interested if a lot of the Euro fans in this thread start to change their tone if WSX starts poaching MXGP riders and that series gets even worse turnouts considering they already have trouble filling the gate with 40 and the purse is dreadful. 

 

I get the Aussie's, they just want anything at this point. But the Euro's about to find out what "Supercross Only" riders is all about if WSX ever takes off. 

Dude GP fans have been losing riders to the SX dollar for decades..

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6/28/2023 12:15am
HonDawg17 wrote:
Let's be real here. The FIM is only doing this to piss off AMA and Feld Entertainment since their split. They keep cancelling events. And they...

Let's be real here. The FIM is only doing this to piss off AMA and Feld Entertainment since their split. They keep cancelling events. And they promote insane Top Tier full gate purse amount for Tier 2 & 3 quality of riders. No one will fill the seats and pay to watch the 10th place rider from AMA SX to win a WSX race / championship. Maybe if they spend the money on tough blocks this year to keep riders typical safety measures in tact, instead of cardboard boxes, that would be a start.

I think its more about the payment of the sanctioning fee than pissing off Feld, 

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And now two for the price of one ticket sales for the British round....

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