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No disrespect, you were always one of my favorite guys, and of course one of the best in your day.  But maybe that attitude is why...

No disrespect, you were always one of my favorite guys, and of course one of the best in your day.  But maybe that attitude is why you were 2nd?  I mean do you really want Sexton on your team if he is sitting it out because he can't win the championship? 

On another note, why did you let Larocco push you around and never gave it back to him? 

BobbyMyers wrote:

Ah the ole compliment then criiticize  routine.. rarely works. 

No, just a legitimate question.  I wanted to see DV win and always wondered why he wouldn't push back against Larocco.  This is a forum where...

No, just a legitimate question.  I wanted to see DV win and always wondered why he wouldn't push back against Larocco. 

This is a forum where people give opinions and ask questions and hopefully answers.

I don't follow your logic, or why it relates to his comment.  He's talking about champ contenders who are out of the title chase, not whether someone is settling.

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6/22/2023 9:45pm Edited Date/Time 6/22/2023 9:49pm
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OP doesn't have to name their source, but just dropping this and leaving it is lame. 

Of course I won’t name my source.  There are conversations that take place among those who know, and who have been in the industry for decades.  Inevitably some of those conversations become known.  Let’s see what happens.

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6/22/2023 11:17pm

Tinfoil hat thought still lingers.... Chase to Yami?

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His dad posted a picture of them taking his Honda to the track in a van 2day

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His dad posted a picture of them taking his Honda to the track in a van 2day

IMG 2263

 

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6/23/2023 4:14am

So does change the chase is done with Honda comments?

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So does change the chase is done with Honda comments?

They’ll just say he’s returning it to Honda 😂

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They’ll just say he’s returning it to Honda 😂

Watching YouTube waiting for the "Factory HRC 450 repo'd" clickbait... 😂

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I have a crazy idea: maybe he's waiting to return until he'll be at his best, rather than letting Jett beat him several times and gain even more confidence? Right now, there's still some doubt in Jett's mind, because he knows he isn't facing all the competition. Coming back and getting blasted doesn't help Sexton's confidence and it only bolsters Jett's. 

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No point racing MX for him now other than making bonus money. For a guy like that, the title is the only goal and why the...

No point racing MX for him now other than making bonus money. For a guy like that, the title is the only goal and why the manufactures only pay a championship bonus. For factory riders, getting 2nd (or worse. I know, been 2nd a couple times) or getting 6th, has the same value/reward. It's why historically you saw champions, past champions or potential champions just not bother come back from an injury. RC took 04 SX off and went on to go 24-0 outdoors. I'm sure he could've came back for some SX but decided not to. He's not the only one, just the most famous one... 

As far as Sexton goes, it has to be more than a concussion obviously. We hear mono, we hear relationship with Honda, we hear he's going to KTM. Seems like lot of stuff going on for him after an unexpected and dreamy SX season ending...

Will we see him work some kind of a release with Honda (after the Honda SX bonus clears haha) and show on a different bike in September in North Carolina? With the amount of money at stakes for 3 races, I'm sure everyone eligible will show up for them/it (races/bag)... 

No disrespect, you were always one of my favorite guys, and of course one of the best in your day.  But maybe that attitude is why...

No disrespect, you were always one of my favorite guys, and of course one of the best in your day.  But maybe that attitude is why you were 2nd?  I mean do you really want Sexton on your team if he is sitting it out because he can't win the championship? 

On another note, why did you let Larocco push you around and never gave it back to him? 

This is why the past pro's leave this place.   Don't run off the last gem we have here.   Seriously.    Idiot.  

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You guys are ridiculous.  Vuillemen is a grown man and can choose to answer or not, he doesn't need you guys to protect him from a...

You guys are ridiculous.  Vuillemen is a grown man and can choose to answer or not, he doesn't need you guys to protect him from a legitimate question.  He also doesn't owe me an answer, but clearly is one of the pro's on here who does post and also has success as a coach.  So as someone who is interested in the mental aspect of not only moto, but success in general, I am interested to know what was going on in his mind. 

He was faster than Larocco, but consistently got out of his way.  Why did he do that?  His previous answer in this thread would indicate to me that he didn't have the heart of Larocco and that the pay check was more important.  Of course Larocco was known for having heart, maybe more so than talent.  Vuillemen also seems to think that this is the primary motivation for most racers today.   Is that simply my perception of him, could be. 

He is probably correct about people out there racing today, but in my opinion, the people who become champions want to be out there competing, not only in moto but  in life.  There are some people who will just never say die.  I can think of a few off hand, Hannah, Stanton, RC, Hughes, Hampshire.  Some of those guys are champions, some of them got 2nd a lot.   

Which of those types is Sexton?  He certainly could be unable to race, but maybe in his head he is defeated and fighting those demons and that's why he isn't out there.  Losing to Tomac after putting all you had in it, and making the mental mistakes that played a big part in losing and then getting smoked by Jett in MxDN, is mentally pretty heavy.  Only he and his circle know what is going on, but it certainly isn't a lack of talent or equipment holding him back. 

 

You're making David sound like some little league kid that's afraid to swing at the ball.  The fact is he was one of the best in the world at something at one time.    This should be a defining moment where you realize you need to grow up.  

 

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You guys are ridiculous.  Vuillemen is a grown man and can choose to answer or not, he doesn't need you guys to protect him from a...

You guys are ridiculous.  Vuillemen is a grown man and can choose to answer or not, he doesn't need you guys to protect him from a legitimate question.  He also doesn't owe me an answer, but clearly is one of the pro's on here who does post and also has success as a coach.  So as someone who is interested in the mental aspect of not only moto, but success in general, I am interested to know what was going on in his mind. 

He was faster than Larocco, but consistently got out of his way.  Why did he do that?  His previous answer in this thread would indicate to me that he didn't have the heart of Larocco and that the pay check was more important.  Of course Larocco was known for having heart, maybe more so than talent.  Vuillemen also seems to think that this is the primary motivation for most racers today.   Is that simply my perception of him, could be. 

He is probably correct about people out there racing today, but in my opinion, the people who become champions want to be out there competing, not only in moto but  in life.  There are some people who will just never say die.  I can think of a few off hand, Hannah, Stanton, RC, Hughes, Hampshire.  Some of those guys are champions, some of them got 2nd a lot.   

Which of those types is Sexton?  He certainly could be unable to race, but maybe in his head he is defeated and fighting those demons and that's why he isn't out there.  Losing to Tomac after putting all you had in it, and making the mental mistakes that played a big part in losing and then getting smoked by Jett in MxDN, is mentally pretty heavy.  Only he and his circle know what is going on, but it certainly isn't a lack of talent or equipment holding him back. 

 

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You're making David sound like some little league kid that's afraid to swing at the ball.  The fact is he was one of the best in...

You're making David sound like some little league kid that's afraid to swing at the ball.  The fact is he was one of the best in the world at something at one time.    This should be a defining moment where you realize you need to grow up.  

 

No I am not, as I said, I was rooting for the guy.  Did I say that he was second rate, nope.  He said he was second a lot and made references to Sexton sitting it out, which when I read that comment I interpreted as him advocating to do so. 

My intended point was that to me a champion won't sit it out and that if Sexton, or anyone who is in it to win above all else, would get out there.  You can interpret my comments as saying he was little league, but that's simply your impression and words, not mine.  I don't really care how you take it and I hardly think that Vuillemin cares what someone on a forum thinks, or anyone else for that matter.

And yes, he was one of the top riders at the time, great smooth style, put Fly on the map,  but unfortunately for him, had to race McGrath, Windham, Stewart, Carmichael, Reed and his nemesis, Larocco. 

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6/23/2023 3:34pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2023 3:34pm

Wow , thought I was on a blazed high forum with all the stupid comments. 
He will likely be at RedBud as long as next week goes as good as this week did

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Falcon wrote:
I have a crazy idea: maybe he's waiting to return until he'll be at his best, rather than letting Jett beat him several times and gain...

I have a crazy idea: maybe he's waiting to return until he'll be at his best, rather than letting Jett beat him several times and gain even more confidence? Right now, there's still some doubt in Jett's mind, because he knows he isn't facing all the competition. Coming back and getting blasted doesn't help Sexton's confidence and it only bolsters Jett's. 

If he waits to long. Jett will have an even bigger lead. Then if sexton pressures jett like at pala. Jett will let him past. And get 2nds for the last 3 rounds. Come off the track. Say there is no point racing chase and collect 2nds to win the championship. 

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Chase and Kenny were lifting weights in their underwear so he's obviously coming back for red bud. 

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truck wrote:

Chase and Kenny were lifting weights in their underwear so he's obviously coming back for red bud. 

LOL. , ya that did look a little weird.

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Falcon wrote:
I have a crazy idea: maybe he's waiting to return until he'll be at his best, rather than letting Jett beat him several times and gain...

I have a crazy idea: maybe he's waiting to return until he'll be at his best, rather than letting Jett beat him several times and gain even more confidence? Right now, there's still some doubt in Jett's mind, because he knows he isn't facing all the competition. Coming back and getting blasted doesn't help Sexton's confidence and it only bolsters Jett's. 

Couldn't agree more. This is something I think is great, guys waiting till they're healthy.  90's moto, the second you were "cleared" guys would race.

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I would be very, very, very surprised if Honda agreed to release Chase from his contract before the SMX playoffs.

100%

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USA wrote:
Your sentiment is correct, but Sexton also borked it up the second moto of Budds Creek and Pala with multiple crashes in each of those motos. ...

Your sentiment is correct, but Sexton also borked it up the second moto of Budds Creek and Pala with multiple crashes in each of those motos. 

 

What a great year last year was, and I really hope Sexton comes back to race this season and puts the coals to her

TbonesPop wrote:
To be fair, outside of Pala 2 with Chase, High Point is the only time Jett was pushed speed wise, due to Kenny deciding to race. ...

To be fair, outside of Pala 2 with Chase, High Point is the only time Jett was pushed speed wise, due to Kenny deciding to race.  And while he still went 1-1, he did go down in a moto.  Just goes to show that when pushed to a higher limit, the best of the best will still make mistakes.  I have no doubt that if Chase were 100% right now and he and Jett were racing each other, Jett would be borking it up here and there too - just like when Eli and Chase had their moments last year.  Without Ken, Chase, or Eli to push Jett the other riders just aren't fast enough to push him at an uncomfortable pace.  

 

As fans, we need Chase in the outdoors ASAP.

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This year has probably been the biggest bummer of a year for me in a long time.  Not only is Chase injured, but Eli, at the...

This year has probably been the biggest bummer of a year for me in a long time.  Not only is Chase injured, but Eli, at the top of his game on the verge of clinching another title, was injured and it has taken him out of the outdoors.  Seeing Jett, Chase and Eli would have been the coolest thing ever.  

would have been 3 generations going at it

such a bummer indeed 

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I did the best I could with the amount of work I put in. Could have I done better or work harder? Possibly but I didn't...

I did the best I could with the amount of work I put in. Could have I done better or work harder? Possibly but I didn't. I ended up winning as many SX races as O'Mara and Emig did in the premier class. It would be great if I got a fraction of the respect you give those guys though, not asking for the same respect but at least a fraction...

And for the record, I wouldn't have raced 129 SX mains in the premier class if I only raced when I had a shot at a championship. If I did, I would've raced only 32 (16 in 2000 and 16 in 2002)...

DV, you don’t have to answer moran posters that don’t have a clue 

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No, just a legitimate question.  I wanted to see DV win and always wondered why he wouldn't push back against Larocco.  This is a forum where...

No, just a legitimate question.  I wanted to see DV win and always wondered why he wouldn't push back against Larocco. 

This is a forum where people give opinions and ask questions and hopefully answers.

Unfortunately, it’s also a place where some people post really stupid shit.   

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Falcon wrote:
I have a crazy idea: maybe he's waiting to return until he'll be at his best, rather than letting Jett beat him several times and gain...

I have a crazy idea: maybe he's waiting to return until he'll be at his best, rather than letting Jett beat him several times and gain even more confidence? Right now, there's still some doubt in Jett's mind, because he knows he isn't facing all the competition. Coming back and getting blasted doesn't help Sexton's confidence and it only bolsters Jett's. 

mx313 wrote:
If he waits to long. Jett will have an even bigger lead. Then if sexton pressures jett like at pala. Jett will let him past. And...

If he waits to long. Jett will have an even bigger lead. Then if sexton pressures jett like at pala. Jett will let him past. And get 2nds for the last 3 rounds. Come off the track. Say there is no point racing chase and collect 2nds to win the championship. 

jett cld finish second to chase for the remaining 7 rounds and only lose 42 pts.........and he is a smart cookie so can't see him throwin in down the road chasing chase  too often..........

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Falcon wrote:
I have a crazy idea: maybe he's waiting to return until he'll be at his best, rather than letting Jett beat him several times and gain...

I have a crazy idea: maybe he's waiting to return until he'll be at his best, rather than letting Jett beat him several times and gain even more confidence? Right now, there's still some doubt in Jett's mind, because he knows he isn't facing all the competition. Coming back and getting blasted doesn't help Sexton's confidence and it only bolsters Jett's. 

mx313 wrote:
If he waits to long. Jett will have an even bigger lead. Then if sexton pressures jett like at pala. Jett will let him past. And...

If he waits to long. Jett will have an even bigger lead. Then if sexton pressures jett like at pala. Jett will let him past. And get 2nds for the last 3 rounds. Come off the track. Say there is no point racing chase and collect 2nds to win the championship. 

jett cld finish second to chase for the remaining 7 rounds and only lose 42 pts.........and he is a smart cookie so can't see him throwin...

jett cld finish second to chase for the remaining 7 rounds and only lose 42 pts.........and he is a smart cookie so can't see him throwin in down the road chasing chase  too often..........

That's sort of my point.

If chase comes back for redbud. At 85% and is fast enough to beat the rest. But slow enough jett can confidently beat him. Jett will try to beat him. 1 for the win, 2 to get the points gap bigger.

Then jett will have in his head I can beat chase. He will try beat him each round. Then 3-4 rounds down the track chase will be 100% and they will push each other.

If chase comes back in 3 rounds time at 100% Jett could have an 80 point lead. Chase will be fast and jett will think. No point racing him.

 

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My source said he’s back at Red Bud

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mx313 wrote:
If he waits to long. Jett will have an even bigger lead. Then if sexton pressures jett like at pala. Jett will let him past. And...

If he waits to long. Jett will have an even bigger lead. Then if sexton pressures jett like at pala. Jett will let him past. And get 2nds for the last 3 rounds. Come off the track. Say there is no point racing chase and collect 2nds to win the championship. 

jett cld finish second to chase for the remaining 7 rounds and only lose 42 pts.........and he is a smart cookie so can't see him throwin...

jett cld finish second to chase for the remaining 7 rounds and only lose 42 pts.........and he is a smart cookie so can't see him throwin in down the road chasing chase  too often..........

mx313 wrote:
That's sort of my point. If chase comes back for redbud. At 85% and is fast enough to beat the rest. But slow enough jett can...

That's sort of my point.

If chase comes back for redbud. At 85% and is fast enough to beat the rest. But slow enough jett can confidently beat him. Jett will try to beat him. 1 for the win, 2 to get the points gap bigger.

Then jett will have in his head I can beat chase. He will try beat him each round. Then 3-4 rounds down the track chase will be 100% and they will push each other.

If chase comes back in 3 rounds time at 100% Jett could have an 80 point lead. Chase will be fast and jett will think. No point racing him.

 

I’m fairly sure Jett already knows he can beat Chase, healthy or not 

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dv12.com wrote:
I did the best I could with the amount of work I put in. Could have I done better or work harder? Possibly but I didn't...

I did the best I could with the amount of work I put in. Could have I done better or work harder? Possibly but I didn't. I ended up winning as many SX races as O'Mara and Emig did in the premier class. It would be great if I got a fraction of the respect you give those guys though, not asking for the same respect but at least a fraction...

And for the record, I wouldn't have raced 129 SX mains in the premier class if I only raced when I had a shot at a championship. If I did, I would've raced only 32 (16 in 2000 and 16 in 2002)...

burn1986 wrote:

DV, you don’t have to answer moran posters that don’t have a clue 

99.99% of the posters here couldn't stay on the same lap with you when you were racing...but they're the first ones to give you shit when you speak your mind now. Two things for sure: Haters will always hate & you just can't fix stupid. 

 

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mx313 wrote:
If he waits to long. Jett will have an even bigger lead. Then if sexton pressures jett like at pala. Jett will let him past. And...

If he waits to long. Jett will have an even bigger lead. Then if sexton pressures jett like at pala. Jett will let him past. And get 2nds for the last 3 rounds. Come off the track. Say there is no point racing chase and collect 2nds to win the championship. 

jett cld finish second to chase for the remaining 7 rounds and only lose 42 pts.........and he is a smart cookie so can't see him throwin...

jett cld finish second to chase for the remaining 7 rounds and only lose 42 pts.........and he is a smart cookie so can't see him throwin in down the road chasing chase  too often..........

mx313 wrote:
That's sort of my point. If chase comes back for redbud. At 85% and is fast enough to beat the rest. But slow enough jett can...

That's sort of my point.

If chase comes back for redbud. At 85% and is fast enough to beat the rest. But slow enough jett can confidently beat him. Jett will try to beat him. 1 for the win, 2 to get the points gap bigger.

Then jett will have in his head I can beat chase. He will try beat him each round. Then 3-4 rounds down the track chase will be 100% and they will push each other.

If chase comes back in 3 rounds time at 100% Jett could have an 80 point lead. Chase will be fast and jett will think. No point racing him.

 

I don't think Jett or Chase are going to ride around in second, If they are healthy they will push. When Jett fell and 94 got the lead, he could have said, ahh he's only here for 1 round, I'll take second....Or he could push and be back in the lead in a few laps. These are not "settle for second" type guys. They only want wins, and both are capable.

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Per OP, if it gets posted on Vital it’s probably false 

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I don't think Jett or Chase are going to ride around in second, If they are healthy they will push. When Jett fell and 94 got...

I don't think Jett or Chase are going to ride around in second, If they are healthy they will push. When Jett fell and 94 got the lead, he could have said, ahh he's only here for 1 round, I'll take second....Or he could push and be back in the lead in a few laps. These are not "settle for second" type guys. They only want wins, and both are capable.

Agreed 100%.  Racers want to race.  Racers want to win.  Jett and Chase are both Racers.  I expect both to compete against each other for wins regardless, outside of Jett not risking doing something that could hurt his championship chances.  But 99% of the situations, these guys are going to go for it.

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kxking wrote:
I don't think Jett or Chase are going to ride around in second, If they are healthy they will push. When Jett fell and 94 got...

I don't think Jett or Chase are going to ride around in second, If they are healthy they will push. When Jett fell and 94 got the lead, he could have said, ahh he's only here for 1 round, I'll take second....Or he could push and be back in the lead in a few laps. These are not "settle for second" type guys. They only want wins, and both are capable.

Or he just felt that he could catch him without taking to much of a risk since he was clearly faster than Ken..

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