Hughes/Forkner

Kinda like taking marital advice from a multi-time divorcee?  Lol...

Seriously though, I think you either have "it" or you don't, but even if you don't have "it" you can still be a great coach.  AJ Catanzaro is an awesome coach, and better than all of us, but even he would tell you he doesn't have "it".  

I posted this in the last Forkner/ Hughes thread and here it is again. A picture is worth a thousand words. PS J Law won the title that year 

Not sure if this is the answer you are looking for, but as they say....doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result sure isn't working......The kid is loaded with talent.  Recall how competitive he was against Sexton at one point.  Who knows.  Might end up working out.  If it doesn't, easy to go a different direction.

I think Ryno is an awesome coach, and Austin has all the talent in the world….we’ve all seen that what he’s been doing hasn’t been working, so I think this change has a LOT of upside.  Time will tell, but I’m rootin’ for both of them to succeed.  
I really hope all the PC guys start 2024 healthy, and put in some good results for Mitch, he’s definitely due!!  With the addition of Kitchen, I think they’re going to have a great 2024 both in SX and MX. 👍

That Noah kid progressed pretty well under Ryno’s tutelage. I think he’s racing the Canadian nationals.

Ryno is extremely into fundamentals. I think a combination of a focus on fundamentals and Austin’s insane raw speed will be a great recipe for a successful season. 

Just for the entertainment value for us on Vital

Dad never told you "Do as I say not what I do" ?

Not sure how a trainers riding career has anything to do with trainer ability.

Aldon Baker has never raced a dirt bike yet he's produced champions, different strokes for different folks I believe Forkner is on the right path with ryno.

I kind of get where you're coming from dude, but it sounds like you're thinking their goal is to make him MORE like Ryno, when for all we know it could be the best way to make him LESS like him.

If Ryno has a lifetime of injuries, and the last one seemed to really make a point / change his perspective a little, maybe with those experiences and the time that's passed and everything else he knows, he can tell Forkner a thing or two?

Like a "Do as I say, not as a I do" kind of deal. It's not about Ryno making him more like him, it's just about identifying what is letting him down and some portion of that they probably both have first hand experience of. He can teach the technique stuff he's keen on, while trying to root out mistakes and things that have lead to injury for both parties previously.

If your entire issue is an often hurt rider working with an often hurt coach, where was your heartburn when Austin was working with Reynard the past handful of years?

What other option does he have? I think it is a great move. Something totally different

So, will forkner be ditching knee braces?

Didn't Forkner try out with David Vuillamen as his coach? What happened to that? 

Sometimes the best lessons in life are learning what not to do.....

Ryno is a smart guy and truly understands body and bike mechanics and has been teaching the new upright centered feet on the pegs style that is the new rage for a long time now  

 It’s already helping Austin, I hope he stays healthy and finally realizes his potential. 

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/moto-related/austin-forkner-hooks-ryno

I guess you missed the other thread where discussion of the relationship was encouraged. Instead we get another tread that condemns it. Ryno teaches technique. Aldon is an athletic trainer. Not really the same thing.

Seems like over the years I have noticed you can coach the mechanics of riding but not the speed required to win.

As with all things in life as they say, the proof is in the pudding. Not sure if any of the riding coaches really make you that much faster. A safer more consistent rider? Absolutely!

90% huh? Sure he does.

BTW is not Ryno's technique. It's the same as all the wining-est riders use.

I've heard Ryno admit multiple times that the way he rode as a pro is not the correct way to ride. 

IMO Ryno has all the attributes to be a great coach:

- He's ridden and competed at the highest level

- He's able to identify the mistakes he made and provide potential solutions to those mistakes

- He is able to analyze and pick apart a rider's technique and provide very specific feedback

- He is willing to adapt and change his perspective on technique when he identifies a better solution

You cant teach raw speed which Austin has. 
 

I think a new fresh approach with Ryno will do him good!

Hopefully he stays healthy and we see his real potential!

 One thing Ryan Hughes has always had in spades...is heart. This famous picture of Hughes at Steel City pushing his bike to the finish line in the final Moto of the 1995 season says it all. He never freaking gave up. Ryno's chain snapped with 1 corner to go pushing it to the line losing the title by 5 points to Steve Lamson...but he pushed it to the limit all the way to the end!

You can't teach "heart". You either have it or you just don't. Many really fast riders today don't have it...and many in the past didn't either. Forkner, like him or not...has "heart". If he didn't have that, he would've quit a long time ago and just disappeared. 

I hope Ryno can find that switch in Austin to make him unleash his already present speed & talent...but to do it with the control it takes to do that, and still stay off the dirt. Will that happen? Who knows. But these two "crashers" might get together to build a championship because they both have the "heart" to do it.

All the top guys are riding the way ryno teaches or at the very least using major parts from the techniques he teaches. 

Where are you collecting your data?  Ryno hurt 90% of the time when he was riding? You do realize that when he was riding it was way may than what you think. Dude clocked some serious seat time hours on motorcycles the last 8 to 10 years as you say. I would say in reality his actual seat time to injury ratio is lower than yours. Pretty sure he clocked more hours riding in a week than most do in a month. 
 

Do I believe he is the best coach? no. Do I believe he is a good coach? yes as are many others. I hope with the change of scenery Austin can learn a thing or two, apply that to his speed and be the rider everyone expected. 

Mechanics is not the problem with Austin. Has all the talent in the world to win. Seems to be upstairs that is holding him back. 

Talent and technique are not the same. His body positioning already looks better on the bike. We’ll see if he can bring it to racing.