Embarrassing Factory riders.

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kpiper 6/11/2023 6:23pm
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JWACK wrote:
I cant help but wonder what’s going through Sextons head if he did indeed sign with KTM.  They went and put stockish suspension on their factory...


I cant help but wonder what’s going through Sextons head if he did indeed sign with KTM.  They went and put stockish suspension on their factory bikes and I don’t think they look very good on the track.  Looks like a fight the whole time.  
 

The factory Hondas on the other hand look completely dialed and forgiving.   I hope Chase stays on red.  

kpiper wrote:
Seemed like Kenny could never get the Honda to where he liked it long. Jett says it is amazing. What is the difference? I agree with...

Seemed like Kenny could never get the Honda to where he liked it long. Jett says it is amazing. What is the difference?

I agree with DV12 it would be better for Ty to stay on the bike he is on but for Kawi to give him some cash, parts, help, etc. That does not mean Ty's bike is better than Adam's though. It is not.

JWACK wrote:
AC’s kawi looks really good.  He just can’t  hold on.   Whoever set up Masterpools suspension also knows what they are doing.  It looked perfect for...

AC’s kawi looks really good.  He just can’t  hold on.  
Whoever set up Masterpools suspension also knows what they are doing.  It looked perfect for him.   I hope he keeps riding like he has been.  

Me too! Hope the kid gets a break here. It would be awesome to see someone new rise up to the top level. Racing needs that with Eli gone and Jett dominating. I think Ty could do that. He has the talent and his conditioning was unreal yesterday.

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JWACK 6/11/2023 6:29pm
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kpiper wrote:
Seemed like Kenny could never get the Honda to where he liked it long. Jett says it is amazing. What is the difference? I agree with...

Seemed like Kenny could never get the Honda to where he liked it long. Jett says it is amazing. What is the difference?

I agree with DV12 it would be better for Ty to stay on the bike he is on but for Kawi to give him some cash, parts, help, etc. That does not mean Ty's bike is better than Adam's though. It is not.

JWACK wrote:
AC’s kawi looks really good.  He just can’t  hold on.   Whoever set up Masterpools suspension also knows what they are doing.  It looked perfect for...

AC’s kawi looks really good.  He just can’t  hold on.  
Whoever set up Masterpools suspension also knows what they are doing.  It looked perfect for him.   I hope he keeps riding like he has been.  

kpiper wrote:
Me too! Hope the kid gets a break here. It would be awesome to see someone new rise up to the top level. Racing needs that...

Me too! Hope the kid gets a break here. It would be awesome to see someone new rise up to the top level. Racing needs that with Eli gone and Jett dominating. I think Ty could do that. He has the talent and his conditioning was unreal yesterday.

Agreed.  
Ty’s style reminded me of a young Villopoto this weekend.  
 

 

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Zycki11 6/11/2023 6:41pm
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philG wrote:
Harlan and Masterpool making some Factory guys look very very over paid.  Props to them both, and lets not forget Masterpool was dead last in Moto1. ...

Harlan and Masterpool making some Factory guys look very very over paid. 

Props to them both, and lets not forget Masterpool was dead last in Moto1. 

 

He is worth every penny they are paying AC and Webb. 

 

Zycki11 wrote:
Your high as a kite if you think that he is “worth every penny they are paying AC and Webb” Masterpool is great at outdoors. Those...

Your high as a kite if you think that he is “worth every penny they are paying AC and Webb” Masterpool is great at outdoors. Those guys you mentioned are great at everything. Masterpool shits his britches every time he has to hit a whoop section. Dollars to donuts? Your off your rocker 

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What did AC do and show the last years to justifiy him a factory bike and top dollar salary? How likeable as a person he might...

What did AC do and show the last years to justifiy him a factory bike and top dollar salary? How likeable as a person he might be he’s been a let down for both Kawasaki and Fox paying him substantial amounts of money. Webb delivered multiple ocassions.

And still the original point stands, how would Masterpool be better? Lol 

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mxb2 6/11/2023 6:48pm
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philG wrote:
Harlan and Masterpool making some Factory guys look very very over paid.  Props to them both, and lets not forget Masterpool was dead last in Moto1. ...

Harlan and Masterpool making some Factory guys look very very over paid. 

Props to them both, and lets not forget Masterpool was dead last in Moto1. 

 

He is worth every penny they are paying AC and Webb. 

 

Zycki11 wrote:
Your high as a kite if you think that he is “worth every penny they are paying AC and Webb” Masterpool is great at outdoors. Those...

Your high as a kite if you think that he is “worth every penny they are paying AC and Webb” Masterpool is great at outdoors. Those guys you mentioned are great at everything. Masterpool shits his britches every time he has to hit a whoop section. Dollars to donuts? Your off your rocker 

insider wrote:
What did AC do and show the last years to justifiy him a factory bike and top dollar salary? How likeable as a person he might...

What did AC do and show the last years to justifiy him a factory bike and top dollar salary? How likeable as a person he might be he’s been a let down for both Kawasaki and Fox paying him substantial amounts of money. Webb delivered multiple ocassions.

What did kroc do for hrc millions of $$. No  450 titles, same as ac 

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AC is a good factory pilot for kawi imo. The wins may or may not come, but he does represent the team/brand very well. And, it's not like he's 15th or lower. Roczen helped Honda drive sales, and AC does the same for kawi. 

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JWACK wrote:
I cant help but wonder what’s going through Sextons head if he did indeed sign with KTM.  They went and put stockish suspension on their factory...


I cant help but wonder what’s going through Sextons head if he did indeed sign with KTM.  They went and put stockish suspension on their factory bikes and I don’t think they look very good on the track.  Looks like a fight the whole time.  
 

The factory Hondas on the other hand look completely dialed and forgiving.   I hope Chase stays on red.  

kpiper wrote:
Seemed like Kenny could never get the Honda to where he liked it long. Jett says it is amazing. What is the difference? I agree with...

Seemed like Kenny could never get the Honda to where he liked it long. Jett says it is amazing. What is the difference?

I agree with DV12 it would be better for Ty to stay on the bike he is on but for Kawi to give him some cash, parts, help, etc. That does not mean Ty's bike is better than Adam's though. It is not.

The difference: Kenny’s (and Chase’s) struggles with the Honda were in SX, not the Outdoors.

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LungButter wrote:
Lots of dudes in this thread acting like Masterpool hasn’t already had chances on good bikes.    Relax fellas, he had one good ride against the...

Lots of dudes in this thread acting like Masterpool hasn’t already had chances on good bikes. 
 

Relax fellas, he had one good ride against the weakest field ever. He don’t deserve Coops seat or salary just yet 🤣

I agree its way too soon. But the dude is a parking lot pro and passed AC9, Ferrandis, Web, Plessinger on a stock motor. That shit dont normally happen and was pretty rad even if it was a one time deal. 

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LungButter wrote:
Lots of dudes in this thread acting like Masterpool hasn’t already had chances on good bikes.    Relax fellas, he had one good ride against the...

Lots of dudes in this thread acting like Masterpool hasn’t already had chances on good bikes. 
 

Relax fellas, he had one good ride against the weakest field ever. He don’t deserve Coops seat or salary just yet 🤣

Lawn Snob wrote:
I agree its way too soon. But the dude is a parking lot pro and passed AC9, Ferrandis, Web, Plessinger on a stock motor. That shit...

I agree its way too soon. But the dude is a parking lot pro and passed AC9, Ferrandis, Web, Plessinger on a stock motor. That shit dont normally happen and was pretty rad even if it was a one time deal. 

Stock motor w just a pipe?   Confirmed?

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WarrenMX 6/12/2023 6:52am
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According to James, the stock bike was a better choice for the conditions, so it's not like Masterpool won on a machine with some huge disadvantage. 

I believe Masterpool dominated as an amateur, and his family owns a training facility. I find it hard to classify him as a 'regular privateer'. 

That said, it he was still very entertaining to watch. 

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crusty_xx wrote:

He is worth every penny they are paying Webb is a bit dramatic lol

only PhilG could think that beating a person one time means they deserve their job.

Last time I checked, AC and Webb still beat Ty at Thunder Valley

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sandman768 6/12/2023 6:57pm
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AC is class act…..and great ride by this Ty fellow👍

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WFO Dave 6/13/2023 5:12pm
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I think the sport is evolving. Allowing riders and parents to be more involved, especially since the kids are getting younger can be a good thing. Sometimes it doesn't work but for many it does. I remember a rider from Texas that liked his suspension but was told it wasn't the "Norm" by the likes of Mitch at PC and others, yet he was successful. I remember meeting with K McCarty and offering to help a rider and then him denying we met, and I'm being kind. The sport is changing,....for the good. The politics in this sport are Brutal.

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mjones7212 6/13/2023 9:56pm
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Shred wrote:
Masterpool would have podiumed 1st Moto had he not gone down.  Maybe even 2nd.  I know this is a repeated comment on vacant factory bikes…. but...

Masterpool would have podiumed 1st Moto had he not gone down.  Maybe even 2nd.  I know this is a repeated comment on vacant factory bikes…. but after today how does Kawi not put him on Jason’s bike until Jason is back.  He made green look awfully good today.  

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Why put him on a bike he just beat? If it ain't broke, don't fix it... The only think he'd need is money i would think...

Why put him on a bike he just beat? If it ain't broke, don't fix it... The only think he'd need is money i would think. Kawi should double his contingency or come up with some sort of bonus program.

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Could/would a factory team like Kawasaki ever let a non factory bike pit out of their tent but with their factory graphics? Or would it be...

Could/would a factory team like Kawasaki ever let a non factory bike pit out of their tent but with their factory graphics? Or would it be too bad of a look for the factory equipment to risk the bad PR? 

PC should

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Mossy940 6/13/2023 11:03pm
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He needs to stay on his bike.

 

Regal was getting podiums as a privateer a decade or so ago, and not long before that Cody Cooper was the closest person to taking away James perfect season in 08’.

What do they both have in common? They got factory (ish) rides the next season and never found that magic again.

As DV said, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it!

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