MXA, I just can’t take it anymore…….

11/8/2009 9:56pm
JM21 wrote:
Good for you Paul!
hey whats wrong with "Swapsworld" its my fav mag.... Cool
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11/8/2009 9:59pm
motokid40 wrote:
MXA is still core and I don't care what you think, oh, and Jody is okay with me too
OW38B wrote:
X2



Not sure why most in here many "get their panties in a bunch" every time MXA prints something they don't like.
Yep... I like MXA...
Jody, is cool, and calls it as he sees it. I feel there are few that know as much as he does about MX. I stand firm that it is the best magazine !
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11/8/2009 10:35pm
Seething with salesmanship while being viewed as myopic angst is a brilliant if not post-pubescent byproduct of having a hulking ego lost in the mindless obscurity of this sport.
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11/8/2009 11:07pm Edited Date/Time 11/8/2009 11:27pm
flarider wrote:
No comment
On MXA or Yamaha of Troy?




Rhetorical question.

The Shop

11/8/2009 11:19pm
MXA literally represents all that is wrong with this sport when they make any comment on racing and overseeing of the racing.

why?

Because they are stuck in nostalgia. What is nstalgia? 2 : a wistful or excessively sentimental yearning for return to or of some past period or irrecoverable condition.

And what goes hand in hand with nostalgia? You forget or ignore all the bad, and only focus on the best parts and think it should always be that way, often to the point you stagnate, become closed minded, and eventually self destructive....... where MXA is today.

First off, as a group, they have to be some of the most chicken shitted people I have seen working for a publication. Majority of their articles have no author listed. So lets be clear, you want to hose and slam, but dont want your name put to it.... I think this one is very self explainitory and evident often in MXA.

Next, they offer critism on every single thing you can think of thats "not like it used to be" but do not offer ANYTHING to advance things, just put everything back to how it was, because it was so great "way back when"..... if it was so eff'ing great, why was it a hugely niche sport that was obscure to say the least? You think MX/SX is huge? To us it is the world. You go ask anyone thats not into our sport, they have no idea, and they outnumber us a 1000:1, actually, about 100,000 to 1...... pick 20 people you know that arent your riding buddies and ask those 20 people who Ricky Carmicheal is, or James Stewart, or Chad Reed.... they wont have a clue. Hell, pick 100, same criteria... same deal. Our sport is very small, and for it to become "un-small" to has to grow, you dont grow by maintaining the status quo so decades.

Then we have the best. Motocross Action, the publication that doesnt attend races. Why? Well to hear Jody say it, and Basher isnt much better but at least he signs his name to his column, they arent worth going to because of saturdays, side numbers, SX only contracts, the riders are shit, the bikes are shit AND way to much for a track.... but never forget "real" men ride 500's.... pick anything. Best part, I bet money they watch the nats on tv every week, well, wait, no, they wouldnt do that because its not how things used to be and anything new is complete bullshit. \

So, lets sum up, call me wrong if you can. According to MXA/jody:
same day coverage on network TV is a bad thing and must go
all the riders are over paid and under perform, translation, 2nd or 3rd they should be fired
and long the same vein, the riders should go back to being basically endentured servants that made no money
live network coverage is a bad thing, gotta go back to how things where, none
bikes are too much for the tracks because tracks back in the day didnt deteriorate like they do now, so lets bring back the blown out "real men" tracks.... uhh err... moving on
That 5 or 6 riders should have bikes with motors that RUIN anything else available and get rid of bikes that anyone can pick up and for NO motor money get a holeshot
the trend of putting on a professional pit presence has to go, we have to go back to teams using Rider box vans with mechanics having to drive 12 to 18 hours a day THEN completely rebuild the bike from scratch in 24 hours
and dont forget, 3 or 4 box vans, at 30K a pop, plus gas for them, plus maintenence on them and having to spend that each season and look budget as hell, is WAY better than spending 500k on a semi and getting how many seasons out of the trailor and at least 2 or 4 seaons out of the truck itself plus plus expences is NOT the way to go (dont you hate when reality and a calculator tells the truth and ruins nostalgia?)
and my personal favorite, there hardly isnt a bike made in 30 years that hasnt needed 1 tooth added to the rear sprocket

can you tell I just got back from waking up at 6 am, racing am day at des moines, then driving 553 miles back home, and killing blue monsters to stay alert?
11/9/2009 1:52am
The old way of doing it: Motocross Action Mag, Dirtbike Mag, Motonews
The new way of doing it: Racer X, Transworld Mx, Vital Mx
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11/9/2009 2:05am
It's a magazine. It should entertain and inspire you. Constant negativity and old grumpy men doesn't do the trick for me.

The bike tests seems most accurate of all magazines but how many people listen to those? We always end up buying the same brand year after year Wink I like to hear about the mental part of motocross, I like to hear about training tips and I like ro read articles written in a positive way.
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11/9/2009 2:36am
Is MXA the best edited magazine...no. Does MXA write the best articles...not always. Every mag has ads, that is how they make a living.

The pic of the 94 Des Nations was also cool. The article "10 Secretd of Starting A Dead Horse", informative. The info on the 1971 DKW cool, liked reading the info on Jim Felt, the Kawasaki Champ bikes and the stories behind them very cool, the bike tests and product reviews were good, the little blurb on MXA issue from 94, "Great Moments" was interesting.

Still this is the best product testing mag out there, they tell it like it is. Most mags pussy foot around bad products for fear of pissing someone off.

If you want to read stories buy RacerX. If you want product knowledge buy MXA.

WTF do you want?



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11/9/2009 3:20am
WORCSRacer wrote:
What do you MXA bashers really want? Jody has his take on MX and the magazine reflects that. TWMX reflects Don Maeda, DirtRider is all about...
What do you MXA bashers really want? Jody has his take on MX and the magazine reflects that. TWMX reflects Don Maeda, DirtRider is all about Jimmy...

Each magazine has a feel and a style but are you really searching for objective journalism? Hell no you want someone you trust to give you their opinion and observation. Face the facts, roughly 16 people in USA determine what you are told through the magazines about bikes, products ect... You either trust their opinions or you don't. Kinda like Jimmy Lewis believes that any helmet with the Snell and or DOT approval is safe and Don Maeda will only ride with a Shoei or Arai.

Its all based on opinions and observations.

PS Paul is right about the overstating of what is going on in the Millsaps photo and the reason for all the typos is there is no budget (except the free pointers from Cox) for proof reading anymore.
You are exactly right, but if you want to come across as non biased and be taken seriously, quit writing editorial pieces all the time. There is a reason Racerx is the number one mag out there, they report what is going on, not what they think people should think is going on. I used to subscribe to DB and MXA for years. I dropped DB first because I thought they put to much enduro stuff in there and later MXA because they bagged on everyone according to Jody. God, the even bagged on RC! I remember they said he would never do that well in the pros due to his short stature. Talk about summing up your intelligence right there.
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11/9/2009 3:52am
I have no comment on Dave's non comment.
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11/9/2009 4:01am
So..... just so I understand. Are you saying you don't like MXA anymore? I don't want to misinterperet your post or anything.
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11/9/2009 4:57am
alphado wrote:
I have no comment on Dave's non comment.
x3!
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11/9/2009 5:08am Edited Date/Time 11/9/2009 5:10am
I agree with Paul, MXA is more for the motocross rider... the old motocross rider with rose tinted glasses thay have certain arrogance in their opinions and their race coverage is really poor....however they do have some good stories or articles but il stick with my subscription to racer x
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11/9/2009 5:39am
Any of you guys remember the article that Jody wrote about himself called the life of a factory test pilot, or something like that. It consumed 27 pages of MXA.....27 pages!
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11/9/2009 5:52am
PintoMx wrote:
This guy is not scared that is for sure.
you don't know who paul is do you?
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11/9/2009 6:08am
I just renewed my MXA subscription for two years, same with Racer X, VMX and Moto Retro. All have something excellent to offer, MXA mostly for product reviews ,bike tests and how to articles. Good stuff.
11/9/2009 6:43am
There's a certain irony in that we are all piling on MXA for doing in a mag what goes on on these messages boards every day. So, being that VitalMX is something of an online mag, why not create a forum where people can post their own detailed, accurate, and non biased reviews of bikes, products, and race reports?
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11/9/2009 7:27am
There's a certain irony in that we are all piling on MXA for doing in a mag what goes on on these messages boards every day...
There's a certain irony in that we are all piling on MXA for doing in a mag what goes on on these messages boards every day. So, being that VitalMX is something of an online mag, why not create a forum where people can post their own detailed, accurate, and non biased reviews of bikes, products, and race reports?
EXACTLY!

Look forward to MXA every month................. and Dirt Rider, Cycle News, Racer X, Dirt Bike, TWMX.

I like them all for different reasons.
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11/9/2009 7:36am
paul937 wrote:
I have watched for the past few years as most of you have thrown MXA COMPLETELY under the bus, while I sat quietly not saying a...
I have watched for the past few years as most of you have thrown MXA COMPLETELY under the bus, while I sat quietly not saying a word because of my position in the industry (plus I like Basher - and Jimmy Mac for that matter but he’s no longer there).

Well no more. Like most of you, I absolutely worshiped MXA as a kid, but they have just gone down hill at such an alarming rate, it’s pathetic.

I just got my December issue (that little kid in me was still somewhat excited to see it in my mail box) and I am now 32 pages in (12 actually if you don’t count the ads) and I am DONE.

Here’s what I’ve gotten so far (and I seriously wish I could get back the last 15 minutes of my life I just lost!):

Jody’s Vanity Box – Uhhhhh, Jody, I’m sorry that you had to eat raviolis from a hub cap and live in hotel Dodge. The sport has evolved for the better, deal with it. Your bitter cynicism is getting old (actually it’s beyond old). Here’s an idea: try being happy that our riders are actually being paid well for risking their necks every week. I’m quite certain that if you were still racing pro and someone offered you a multi-million dollar contract you would take it in a heart beat and fly to the races with your buddies on your private jet (you do like to fly, right?). Sorry you were born in 1922.

Whoever gave the over analyzed riding critique of Davi Millsaps (page 16) is a just a tad out of touch. First of all, I’m not positive but I’m fairly certain that picture is from Budds Creek (it might be Millville actually), and if so it’s a good bet that’s the moto that Davi went on to win. You might want to consider actually RIDING at some of these tracks and knowing the texture of the soil before critiquing one of the top pros in the world. I’d say Davi had it under control, but I'm sure he appreciates the riding tip. For that matter, perhaps the most important question I think all of us have is this: Don’t you actually have to GO to a few races (you know, the other 25 races outside of So-Cal) to know something about the sport, and subsequently report on in a magazine called “Motocross Action”? Please do us all a favor and re-name your rag “So-Cal Motocross Action” (that way the REM reports that nobody but you care about will have more relevance).

The picture of Thorpe flat out at Namur (page 18, bitchin shot by the way, I’ll give you that): Did you actually talk to David that day (I know that you USED to go to every single race, at least that’s what you tell us. But let’s be honest, how would we know?) and ask him if he thought that straight away of pavement was fun? How do you know that he (and the other riders) didn’t absolutely HATE it?!?!? Here’s a tip Genius: Dave is “just twisting the throttle and tucking it in” because he’s in the middle of a friggin’ race!! I’m pretty sure if you put a similar section of pavement at Glen Helen (which would be almost as brilliant as putting a Monster scaffolding on the LANDING of a huge down hill triple jump......you really out did yourself on that one) the riders would indeed probably bitch and moan (like I’m sure many did every time they had to race that insane track at Namur once a year), but I’m also pretty sure that the leaders, like it or not, would “twist the throttle and tuck it”. Your CONSTANT correlation to the riders today being pussies because they make more money is SO worn out (see ravioli reference).

Lastly (and this one really takes the cake), if you or someone on your staff is going to do your own national numbers list (and take yet another pot shot at the AMA in the process) AT LEAST DO IT RIGHT! Any friggin’ 10-year old with a calculator and the Internet can figure it out better than you did. For Christ’s sake! Here are the web sites with the points:

http://www.allisports.com/Motocross-Archive-Results

http://www.amasupercross.com/results/index.aspx

Now.......stay with me here: 1+2=3 (E.G. Chad Reed earned 373 in SX and 481 points in MX, equaling 854 total, NOT 832).

Let’s try another one (I know it’s getting complicated, sorry): Tommy Hahn earned 67 points in SX and 302 in MX equaling 369 total, NOT 323 (it also put him 11th overall, NOT 15th by the way).

The list is littered with mistake after mistake! Some guys you actually gave EXTRA points to (and no they didn’t earn them in 250 SX)!! I truly feel sorry for those people out there who are so disconnected from the sport that they will still take your word as the gospel.

Especially coming from an Elitist who loves to boost his own ego by using otherwise meaningless words in regular dialog just to make other people feel ignorant. I understand that your vast intellect dwarfs the rest of us commoners, but let’s try to remember who you’re talking to here: we’re dumb Motocrossers who were all spoiled home schooled little brats, remember?

Paul
During some research the other week i had a stack of old MX magazines dropped on my desk. When dropping the boys at the pool i would take a copy and read through it. I took an MXA and read an article on how to go around corners fast.
There was a big song and dance in there about how if your foot touches the ground then you messed up and it is not only slow but looks goofy blah, blah, blah. On the page opposite was a full page ad for tires, i think. It had a picture of Ricky Carmichael going round a turn with his foot planted solidly on mother earth! I just found that funny......
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11/9/2009 8:01am
I'm an old, arrogant , neverwas. I love MXA.
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Print is dead.
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11/9/2009 8:12am
wildbill wrote:
Seething with salesmanship while being viewed as myopic angst is a brilliant if not post-pubescent byproduct of having a hulking ego lost in the mindless obscurity...
Seething with salesmanship while being viewed as myopic angst is a brilliant if not post-pubescent byproduct of having a hulking ego lost in the mindless obscurity of this sport.
The most Grendel sounding non-Grendel post ever. Not sure about the sentiment but the vocabulary is spot on.
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11/9/2009 8:28am
I like MXA. Maybe not all of it, but surely most of it. I saved one mag. form years back where Jody wrote "you're never as fast as when your slow" Feb. 96. The article(about fast vs. slow racers) made more sense to me than anything I have ever read before(racing related). I get Racer X, TWMX, and MXA and think there are many positives about each. RIDE ON my MX brothers!
11/9/2009 8:35am
There's a certain irony in that we are all piling on MXA for doing in a mag what goes on on these messages boards every day...
There's a certain irony in that we are all piling on MXA for doing in a mag what goes on on these messages boards every day. So, being that VitalMX is something of an online mag, why not create a forum where people can post their own detailed, accurate, and non biased reviews of bikes, products, and race reports?
Danny Dolan does that for us.
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Jody wrote articles for 10 years, after that he stopped and they`ve been reprinting his articles with a few mods here and there. I\ve read it since I started riding in 1996 and they are being recycled with "beaucoup" pregularity.

That aside, I remember Paul wrote a rather long article for them backin 1997 (oct 1997 issue if I`m not mistaken) on riding abroad in Indonesia etc.

Fact is, even 12 years ago they had good articles from the GP`s, French races and Japan. Today it`s mostly a guide to REM races and complaining about what is wrong with the sport.

And if there is one article I`m tired of, it has to be "how to make your tires last longer" "cut your own tires" Ìt\s been printed like 10 times in 5 years!
11/9/2009 8:43am
This makes me laugh. Every couple of months a thread exactly like this shows up and every
body piles on the "let's hate on MXA" bandwagon. Shortly therafter, a thread starts about how MXA tells it like it is and and everyone chimes in about how they love MXA. No the mag is not for everyone and that's why other ones exist. If you don't like it, go get some black socks and a flat bill and pick up a copy of Transworld.
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This makes me laugh. Every couple of months a thread exactly like this shows up and every body piles on the "let's hate on MXA" bandwagon...
This makes me laugh. Every couple of months a thread exactly like this shows up and every
body piles on the "let's hate on MXA" bandwagon. Shortly therafter, a thread starts about how MXA tells it like it is and and everyone chimes in about how they love MXA. No the mag is not for everyone and that's why other ones exist. If you don't like it, go get some black socks and a flat bill and pick up a copy of Transworld.
You should probably read through this thread again. Plenty of people with opposite views.
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11/9/2009 9:08am
paul937 wrote:
I have watched for the past few years as most of you have thrown MXA COMPLETELY under the bus, while I sat quietly not saying a...
I have watched for the past few years as most of you have thrown MXA COMPLETELY under the bus, while I sat quietly not saying a word because of my position in the industry (plus I like Basher - and Jimmy Mac for that matter but he’s no longer there).

Well no more. Like most of you, I absolutely worshiped MXA as a kid, but they have just gone down hill at such an alarming rate, it’s pathetic.

I just got my December issue (that little kid in me was still somewhat excited to see it in my mail box) and I am now 32 pages in (12 actually if you don’t count the ads) and I am DONE.

Here’s what I’ve gotten so far (and I seriously wish I could get back the last 15 minutes of my life I just lost!):

Jody’s Vanity Box – Uhhhhh, Jody, I’m sorry that you had to eat raviolis from a hub cap and live in hotel Dodge. The sport has evolved for the better, deal with it. Your bitter cynicism is getting old (actually it’s beyond old). Here’s an idea: try being happy that our riders are actually being paid well for risking their necks every week. I’m quite certain that if you were still racing pro and someone offered you a multi-million dollar contract you would take it in a heart beat and fly to the races with your buddies on your private jet (you do like to fly, right?). Sorry you were born in 1922.

Whoever gave the over analyzed riding critique of Davi Millsaps (page 16) is a just a tad out of touch. First of all, I’m not positive but I’m fairly certain that picture is from Budds Creek (it might be Millville actually), and if so it’s a good bet that’s the moto that Davi went on to win. You might want to consider actually RIDING at some of these tracks and knowing the texture of the soil before critiquing one of the top pros in the world. I’d say Davi had it under control, but I'm sure he appreciates the riding tip. For that matter, perhaps the most important question I think all of us have is this: Don’t you actually have to GO to a few races (you know, the other 25 races outside of So-Cal) to know something about the sport, and subsequently report on in a magazine called “Motocross Action”? Please do us all a favor and re-name your rag “So-Cal Motocross Action” (that way the REM reports that nobody but you care about will have more relevance).

The picture of Thorpe flat out at Namur (page 18, bitchin shot by the way, I’ll give you that): Did you actually talk to David that day (I know that you USED to go to every single race, at least that’s what you tell us. But let’s be honest, how would we know?) and ask him if he thought that straight away of pavement was fun? How do you know that he (and the other riders) didn’t absolutely HATE it?!?!? Here’s a tip Genius: Dave is “just twisting the throttle and tucking it in” because he’s in the middle of a friggin’ race!! I’m pretty sure if you put a similar section of pavement at Glen Helen (which would be almost as brilliant as putting a Monster scaffolding on the LANDING of a huge down hill triple jump......you really out did yourself on that one) the riders would indeed probably bitch and moan (like I’m sure many did every time they had to race that insane track at Namur once a year), but I’m also pretty sure that the leaders, like it or not, would “twist the throttle and tuck it”. Your CONSTANT correlation to the riders today being pussies because they make more money is SO worn out (see ravioli reference).

Lastly (and this one really takes the cake), if you or someone on your staff is going to do your own national numbers list (and take yet another pot shot at the AMA in the process) AT LEAST DO IT RIGHT! Any friggin’ 10-year old with a calculator and the Internet can figure it out better than you did. For Christ’s sake! Here are the web sites with the points:

http://www.allisports.com/Motocross-Archive-Results

http://www.amasupercross.com/results/index.aspx

Now.......stay with me here: 1+2=3 (E.G. Chad Reed earned 373 in SX and 481 points in MX, equaling 854 total, NOT 832).

Let’s try another one (I know it’s getting complicated, sorry): Tommy Hahn earned 67 points in SX and 302 in MX equaling 369 total, NOT 323 (it also put him 11th overall, NOT 15th by the way).

The list is littered with mistake after mistake! Some guys you actually gave EXTRA points to (and no they didn’t earn them in 250 SX)!! I truly feel sorry for those people out there who are so disconnected from the sport that they will still take your word as the gospel.

Especially coming from an Elitist who loves to boost his own ego by using otherwise meaningless words in regular dialog just to make other people feel ignorant. I understand that your vast intellect dwarfs the rest of us commoners, but let’s try to remember who you’re talking to here: we’re dumb Motocrossers who were all spoiled home schooled little brats, remember?

Paul
no way i'm reading all that chit... 50 words or less next time einstein......
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11/9/2009 9:17am
The tech stuff they do is worthwhile. As far as race reporting and "opinion," it's never been the same after Dick Miller left and the whole Jody vibe kicked in. All that wrecking crew, lucious louella tabloid drivel brought what was an epic mag down to tabloid level.

Props to them for the stuff they do well. They should do more of that.
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11/9/2009 9:33am
Paul,
I'm pretty sure your frustration stems from not being able to handle Stephane in a rental car.
Alan

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