Best Showa suspension tuners?

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Coming back from injury and haven't rode in a few months, I have a 22 crf250r, and need to get the suspension set up , any recommendations for tuners experienced and good with this Showa stuff? Thanks

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5/11/2023 10:58am

Graeme brough or FC is where I would go. FC will likely be very expensive 

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Cademx14
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5/11/2023 11:00am

Graeme Brough you won’t regret your choice 

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huckinn252
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5/11/2023 11:41am

Thanks guys, does anyone know how I get in contact with him?? I tried dming him on Instagram

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5/11/2023 12:13pm Edited Date/Time 5/11/2023 12:16pm

FC. you'll have everything back is less than a week. 

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5/11/2023 12:14pm

FC they have more data and feedback than anybody!

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5/11/2023 12:56pm

Jake 

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UpTiTe wrote:

Jake 

Who?

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Talk to Johny at Art of War.  He was the suspension guy at JGR and they ran Showa on the Suzukis.

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5/11/2023 2:32pm
UpTiTe wrote:

Jake 

ML512 wrote:

Who?

Showa Jake. You’re probably to young. 

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5/11/2023 3:45pm

I had great luck with Race Tech on my 2022 KX450.  I’m very happy with it.

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UpTiTe wrote:

Showa Jake. You’re probably to young. 

I think I know who you're talking about. He works customer service at Race Tech these days.

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5/11/2023 4:39pm
jpatz319 wrote:

Talk to Johny at Art of War.  He was the suspension guy at JGR and they ran Showa on the Suzukis.

Is his business still open? Dont hear much about people using his stuff. The guys at REP are great. Im sure they can get ya dialed in 

5/11/2023 4:46pm
jpatz319 wrote:

Talk to Johny at Art of War.  He was the suspension guy at JGR and they ran Showa on the Suzukis.

He also has been to Showa Japan for testing as well. He is super knowledgeable and excellent at his trade.

5/11/2023 4:47pm
jpatz319 wrote:

Talk to Johny at Art of War.  He was the suspension guy at JGR and they ran Showa on the Suzukis.

Money wrote:
Is his business still open? Dont hear much about people using his stuff. The guys at REP are great. Im sure they can get ya dialed...

Is his business still open? Dont hear much about people using his stuff. The guys at REP are great. Im sure they can get ya dialed in 

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5/11/2023 5:07pm

Factory connection. I had them do my Honda 250. It’s awesome, get the linkage too.

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5/11/2023 5:27pm Edited Date/Time 5/11/2023 5:28pm

Any suspension turner is only as good as the feedback you provide.  Your base setup is important info; where are your clickers, what's your race and static sag, what's your riding style, and previous mods, etc.  What's your skill level (honestly), what's keeping you from going faster (hard flat landings, shutter bumps, accel/braking bumps, whoops, turns, stability, etc), why (bottoming, harshness, etc), what end (front/rear/both) and when (single hits, multiple hits, corner entry/exit, on the gas/off, etc).  It's never going to be perfect in all conditions as a bike you feel is "comfortable" (softer damping/springs) will not feel as "controllable" (heavier damping/springs) at speed.  It's a compromise.  So you gotta tell the tuner what's more important to YOU, comfort or control.  

Only then can they evaluate your spring rates, whether the bikes jacking or packing and at what end, and the best strategy between base valving, mid valving, springs and oil level to eliminate the issue/s.  If they know anything about fluid dynamics and  what to tweak and how much, they should get you close.  

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5/11/2023 5:28pm

Art of War gets my vote. 

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183Matt
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5/11/2023 5:36pm

AHM Factory Services.
 

 But I agree with Mark911, any reputable tuner is only going to be as good as the info you give them.  I’ve seen and riden suspension from big name and reputable tuners that has been way off, because the owners perception of how and what they ride is different then what the suspension was tuned for.

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5/11/2023 6:10pm

Any recommendations on a good Showa tuner local to socal? I know there’s a lot. 

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5/11/2023 7:44pm

Jake Thompson 

Showa Dave 

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5/11/2023 7:57pm

Factory Connection all the way.   I’ve always liked their stuff the most.  They get it close and you tweak everything in.  Easy to work with and they get the shit done quickly.   

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5/11/2023 8:09pm

I'm in the middle of installing FC rebuilt suspension on my son's CR250R. They were great to work with, and I can't wait to get it broken in and dialed with him at the track in a few weeks. Considering all of the positive feedback, I'm sure we made the right choice.344

 

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5/11/2023 8:59pm

Compared to the 2021, the 2022/2023 (I own both bikes) the forks are really not fun to ride. So much so I currently have 2021 stock suspension on the 2023 and really like it.

 Whomever tested and approved the setting in what are essentially the same forks must own a suspension business...

In all seriousness, Factory Connection has gone as far as custom machining pistons for the fork. Maybe someone here has ridden that setup and can report back on it..

I just got my 2023 revalve back in the mail today and hope that I can put the 2021 stuff back on the 2021 machine.

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5/11/2023 9:59pm

Clicks suspension. 

He's probably responsible for manufacturing of more forks/shocks then anyone mentioned. He worked with Paul Tuner, Mike McAndrews (founder of FC), Bob Fox, Steve Simmons etc... running R&D labs at various companies, Fox Shocks and Rock Shox etc... Knows more about this stuff from the ground up then pretty much anyone doing re-valve work. It will also be way less then FC. 

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5/11/2023 11:10pm
huckinn252 wrote:

Thanks guys, does anyone know how I get in contact with him?? I tried dming him on Instagram

Graeme Brough 1 (310) 809-8014

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5/12/2023 1:21am
jpatz319 wrote:

Talk to Johny at Art of War.  He was the suspension guy at JGR and they ran Showa on the Suzukis.

Money wrote:
Is his business still open? Dont hear much about people using his stuff. The guys at REP are great. Im sure they can get ya dialed...

Is his business still open? Dont hear much about people using his stuff. The guys at REP are great. Im sure they can get ya dialed in 

Super expensive to swap over some shims.

5/12/2023 9:17am

I have had good luck with Precision Concepts on my KX450. I race AMA West Hare Scrambles, Open A and they nailed a pretty good setup on the first try. Only had to adjust the clickers very slightly. Great hold up, no deflection in rocks, and I can still charge big g-outs and singles to flat without worrying about blowing through the stroke or bottoming. Their team races the WORC's and NGPC series on kawi's with Showa suspension so they have tons of testing data.

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