Picture of Eli's boot

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Edited Date/Time 5/8/2023 6:14am

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 Looks like the straps didn't hold?

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Strange. Doesn’t make sense.   

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5/8/2023 6:16am

Wonder if the straps slipped allowing too much flex. Bummer that we’d never hear the truth if that were the case. 

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5/8/2023 6:30am

It could have come unbuckled when his foot bent up I suppose. I am more interested in the sole.

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5/8/2023 6:41am
 Looks like the straps didn't hold?

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 Looks like the straps didn't hold?

I literally just puked. my goodness its racing and anything can happen, but this is beyond comprehension. For him to handle a serious injury like this the way he did is also crazy. We know he's tough, but this is something different.

To lose a Championship like this is cruel. Hopefully we see him on a bike again.

 

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5/8/2023 6:45am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2023 6:51am

It kind of looks like the other strap is loose too. I’m hoping this was a result of the tendon rupture and not the other way around. Seeing the other strap loose makes it seem that way. For two buckles to fail during a race before the rupture would have to be extremely rare. 

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MxAddic wrote:

It could have come unbuckled when his foot bent up I suppose. I am more interested in the sole.

Prototype? A-stars is finally making a sole that lasts more than 10 hours?

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5/8/2023 7:01am

Why would you think the bottom buckle of a boot being loose cause an Achilles rupture??  That bottom buckle is more designed for support of the foot, nothing to do with supporting the Achilles. 

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JBlain619 wrote:
Why would you think the bottom buckle of a boot being loose cause an Achilles rupture??  That bottom buckle is more designed for support of the...

Why would you think the bottom buckle of a boot being loose cause an Achilles rupture??  That bottom buckle is more designed for support of the foot, nothing to do with supporting the Achilles. 

But yet from that photo the boot did fail and the tendon indeed did rupture.

Same result if the boot doesn't fail? Hard to say... But I'd guess no.

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5/8/2023 7:14am

Looks like the bottom two buckles are loose! Definitely not a lot of ankle support there would like to see a picture of before the case!

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5/8/2023 7:20am

Very Interesting!

5/8/2023 7:25am
I literally just puked. my goodness its racing and anything can happen, but this is beyond comprehension. For him to handle a serious injury like this...

I literally just puked. my goodness its racing and anything can happen, but this is beyond comprehension. For him to handle a serious injury like this the way he did is also crazy. We know he's tough, but this is something different.

To lose a Championship like this is cruel. Hopefully we see him on a bike again.

 

Brother, I can’t help but believe you are a liar and didn’t literally puke by looking at that photo. 

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5/8/2023 7:30am

I currently wear Gaerne, but my last Tech 10s  would unbuckle themselves when I was riding from time to time.

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5/8/2023 7:38am
I literally just puked. my goodness its racing and anything can happen, but this is beyond comprehension. For him to handle a serious injury like this...

I literally just puked. my goodness its racing and anything can happen, but this is beyond comprehension. For him to handle a serious injury like this the way he did is also crazy. We know he's tough, but this is something different.

To lose a Championship like this is cruel. Hopefully we see him on a bike again.

 

Brother, I can’t help but believe you are a liar and didn’t literally puke by looking at that photo. 

HAHA.. Liar? No. But Yeah, got a little carried away. But the injuries to all these guys is so bizarre

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5/8/2023 7:39am

I’d say the straps slipped on impact. There’s no way they were loose before that. On big impacts that force has to go somewhere and something will break. No boot can prevent all injuries. 

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5/8/2023 7:42am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2023 7:47am
JBlain619 wrote:
Why would you think the bottom buckle of a boot being loose cause an Achilles rupture??  That bottom buckle is more designed for support of the...

Why would you think the bottom buckle of a boot being loose cause an Achilles rupture??  That bottom buckle is more designed for support of the foot, nothing to do with supporting the Achilles. 

Jaymz wrote:
But yet from that photo the boot did fail and the tendon indeed did rupture. Same result if the boot doesn't fail? Hard to say... But...

But yet from that photo the boot did fail and the tendon indeed did rupture.

Same result if the boot doesn't fail? Hard to say... But I'd guess no.

That buckle has nothing to do with hyper-flexion, which is what caused the Achilles to rupture. So no, the buckle had nothing to do with it. 

This is the likely culprit, found this in another thread. "Listen to the latest VitalMX podcast. They talk about Eli and the Lawrences using Tech 10s with the hyper flexion ribs removed to give the boot more flex"

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5/8/2023 7:48am
JBlain619 wrote:
Why would you think the bottom buckle of a boot being loose cause an Achilles rupture??  That bottom buckle is more designed for support of the...

Why would you think the bottom buckle of a boot being loose cause an Achilles rupture??  That bottom buckle is more designed for support of the foot, nothing to do with supporting the Achilles. 

Jaymz wrote:
But yet from that photo the boot did fail and the tendon indeed did rupture. Same result if the boot doesn't fail? Hard to say... But...

But yet from that photo the boot did fail and the tendon indeed did rupture.

Same result if the boot doesn't fail? Hard to say... But I'd guess no.

JBlain619 wrote:
That buckle has nothing to do with hyper-flexion, which is what caused the Achilles to rupture. So no, the buckle had nothing to do with it. ...

That buckle has nothing to do with hyper-flexion, which is what caused the Achilles to rupture. So no, the buckle had nothing to do with it. 

This is the likely culprit, found this in another thread. "Listen to the latest VitalMX podcast. They talk about Eli and the Lawrences using Tech 10s with the hyper flexion ribs removed to give the boot more flex"

So what you are saying is that the buckle has nothing to do with the support system of the boot???

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5/8/2023 7:53am
Jaymz wrote:
But yet from that photo the boot did fail and the tendon indeed did rupture. Same result if the boot doesn't fail? Hard to say... But...

But yet from that photo the boot did fail and the tendon indeed did rupture.

Same result if the boot doesn't fail? Hard to say... But I'd guess no.

JBlain619 wrote:
That buckle has nothing to do with hyper-flexion, which is what caused the Achilles to rupture. So no, the buckle had nothing to do with it. ...

That buckle has nothing to do with hyper-flexion, which is what caused the Achilles to rupture. So no, the buckle had nothing to do with it. 

This is the likely culprit, found this in another thread. "Listen to the latest VitalMX podcast. They talk about Eli and the Lawrences using Tech 10s with the hyper flexion ribs removed to give the boot more flex"

brocster wrote:

So what you are saying is that the buckle has nothing to do with the support system of the boot???

I said that particular buckle has nothing to do with hyper-flexion. They have hyper-flexion tabs on the back of the boot and those were removed.  If you want to claim front buckle strap being loose caused a ruptured achilles, then there is nothing to discuss.  We will have to agree to disagree. 

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5/8/2023 7:55am
JBlain619 wrote:
Why would you think the bottom buckle of a boot being loose cause an Achilles rupture??  That bottom buckle is more designed for support of the...

Why would you think the bottom buckle of a boot being loose cause an Achilles rupture??  That bottom buckle is more designed for support of the foot, nothing to do with supporting the Achilles. 

Jaymz wrote:
But yet from that photo the boot did fail and the tendon indeed did rupture. Same result if the boot doesn't fail? Hard to say... But...

But yet from that photo the boot did fail and the tendon indeed did rupture.

Same result if the boot doesn't fail? Hard to say... But I'd guess no.

JBlain619 wrote:
That buckle has nothing to do with hyper-flexion, which is what caused the Achilles to rupture. So no, the buckle had nothing to do with it. ...

That buckle has nothing to do with hyper-flexion, which is what caused the Achilles to rupture. So no, the buckle had nothing to do with it. 

This is the likely culprit, found this in another thread. "Listen to the latest VitalMX podcast. They talk about Eli and the Lawrences using Tech 10s with the hyper flexion ribs removed to give the boot more flex"

This is exactly what I was wondering because those Tech 10s are specifically designed to help prevent hyper-flexion. Now, before everyone goes on a bender, you can absolutely tear your Achilles without hyper-flexion of the ankle. It happens to basketball players for example when jumping from a flat floor. But hyper-flexion combined with a high spike in load can combine to overload the tendon more than just the load itself. 

Either way, I blame the horrible purple color of the boots. 

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5/8/2023 7:58am
JBlain619 wrote:
That buckle has nothing to do with hyper-flexion, which is what caused the Achilles to rupture. So no, the buckle had nothing to do with it. ...

That buckle has nothing to do with hyper-flexion, which is what caused the Achilles to rupture. So no, the buckle had nothing to do with it. 

This is the likely culprit, found this in another thread. "Listen to the latest VitalMX podcast. They talk about Eli and the Lawrences using Tech 10s with the hyper flexion ribs removed to give the boot more flex"

brocster wrote:

So what you are saying is that the buckle has nothing to do with the support system of the boot???

JBlain619 wrote:
I said that particular buckle has nothing to do with hyper-flexion. They have hyper-flexion tabs on the back of the boot and those were removed.  If...

I said that particular buckle has nothing to do with hyper-flexion. They have hyper-flexion tabs on the back of the boot and those were removed.  If you want to claim front buckle strap being loose caused a ruptured achilles, then there is nothing to discuss.  We will have to agree to disagree. 

I have to agree with you JBlain. In this case, the mechanics of the movement would suggest that the bottom two buckles buckling under the load (haha, get it?) would help prevent hyper-flexion and maybe prevent an injury rather than cause it. In this case, obviously it didn't prevent injury but the buckles breaking would've only helped rather than cause this type of injury. 

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5/8/2023 7:59am
Jaymz wrote:
But yet from that photo the boot did fail and the tendon indeed did rupture. Same result if the boot doesn't fail? Hard to say... But...

But yet from that photo the boot did fail and the tendon indeed did rupture.

Same result if the boot doesn't fail? Hard to say... But I'd guess no.

JBlain619 wrote:
That buckle has nothing to do with hyper-flexion, which is what caused the Achilles to rupture. So no, the buckle had nothing to do with it. ...

That buckle has nothing to do with hyper-flexion, which is what caused the Achilles to rupture. So no, the buckle had nothing to do with it. 

This is the likely culprit, found this in another thread. "Listen to the latest VitalMX podcast. They talk about Eli and the Lawrences using Tech 10s with the hyper flexion ribs removed to give the boot more flex"

TriRacer27 wrote:
This is exactly what I was wondering because those Tech 10s are specifically designed to help prevent hyper-flexion. Now, before everyone goes on a bender, you...

This is exactly what I was wondering because those Tech 10s are specifically designed to help prevent hyper-flexion. Now, before everyone goes on a bender, you can absolutely tear your Achilles without hyper-flexion of the ankle. It happens to basketball players for example when jumping from a flat floor. But hyper-flexion combined with a high spike in load can combine to overload the tendon more than just the load itself. 

Either way, I blame the horrible purple color of the boots. 

Exactly! 

It "could be" the boot design or it "could be" just one of those things. Regardless it sucks for Eli. 

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5/8/2023 8:23am

He's got a brand new one anyway...

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5/8/2023 8:41am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2023 8:42am
JBlain619 wrote:
That buckle has nothing to do with hyper-flexion, which is what caused the Achilles to rupture. So no, the buckle had nothing to do with it. ...

That buckle has nothing to do with hyper-flexion, which is what caused the Achilles to rupture. So no, the buckle had nothing to do with it. 

This is the likely culprit, found this in another thread. "Listen to the latest VitalMX podcast. They talk about Eli and the Lawrences using Tech 10s with the hyper flexion ribs removed to give the boot more flex"

brocster wrote:

So what you are saying is that the buckle has nothing to do with the support system of the boot???

JBlain619 wrote:
I said that particular buckle has nothing to do with hyper-flexion. They have hyper-flexion tabs on the back of the boot and those were removed.  If...

I said that particular buckle has nothing to do with hyper-flexion. They have hyper-flexion tabs on the back of the boot and those were removed.  If you want to claim front buckle strap being loose caused a ruptured achilles, then there is nothing to discuss.  We will have to agree to disagree. 

Do you not see that it’s two very loose buckles that when properly buckled provide a support system for the ankle and flexion from the structure of the boot itself? Sure there is a hyper flexion stop but a properly buckled boot acts as some resistance to hyper flexion in and of itself. 

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He's got a brand new one anyway...    

He's got a brand new one anyway...

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That's gotta be the happiest person to lose a million+ bucks I've seen.  He has to be one of the most mentally strong riders at this point.  Or maybe the injury helped him make a hard decision about keeping racing or stopping. Maybe he was just in shock , but it was so crazy to see the way he dealt with the injury In front of his hometown crowd and everything the injury means.

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5/8/2023 9:03am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2023 9:06am
brocster wrote:
Do you not see that it’s two very loose buckles that when properly buckled provide a support system for the ankle and flexion from the structure...

Do you not see that it’s two very loose buckles that when properly buckled provide a support system for the ankle and flexion from the structure of the boot itself? Sure there is a hyper flexion stop but a properly buckled boot acts as some resistance to hyper flexion in and of itself. 

Dorsal hyper flexion loads on the tendon can be 10 times the riders weight and allowing for leverage via the foot can easily overpower any leather and plastic boot.

You would need a literal cast- fiberglass or thick plaster to stop the flexion - which is exactly what is used for post surgery immobilisation.

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That's gotta be the happiest person to lose a million+ bucks I've seen.  He has to be one of the most mentally strong riders at this...

That's gotta be the happiest person to lose a million+ bucks I've seen.  He has to be one of the most mentally strong riders at this point.  Or maybe the injury helped him make a hard decision about keeping racing or stopping. Maybe he was just in shock , but it was so crazy to see the way he dealt with the injury In front of his hometown crowd and everything the injury means.

Maybe good pain killers?

 

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5/8/2023 9:08am
brocster wrote:

So what you are saying is that the buckle has nothing to do with the support system of the boot???

JBlain619 wrote:
I said that particular buckle has nothing to do with hyper-flexion. They have hyper-flexion tabs on the back of the boot and those were removed.  If...

I said that particular buckle has nothing to do with hyper-flexion. They have hyper-flexion tabs on the back of the boot and those were removed.  If you want to claim front buckle strap being loose caused a ruptured achilles, then there is nothing to discuss.  We will have to agree to disagree. 

brocster wrote:
Do you not see that it’s two very loose buckles that when properly buckled provide a support system for the ankle and flexion from the structure...

Do you not see that it’s two very loose buckles that when properly buckled provide a support system for the ankle and flexion from the structure of the boot itself? Sure there is a hyper flexion stop but a properly buckled boot acts as some resistance to hyper flexion in and of itself. 

Nope, it's the opposite. Just like your helmet cracking in a big crash isn't an indication of the helmet failing to do its job, sometimes your equipment is designed to break in an effort to prevent further injury. In this particular case, those two buckles would hold the angle to a more extreme angle and just make injury more likely. 

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5/8/2023 9:19am Edited Date/Time 5/8/2023 9:22am
He's got a brand new one anyway...    

He's got a brand new one anyway...

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