What really happened

Edited Date/Time 4/30/2023 9:55am

Can we end the controversy? I watched this frame by frame many many times, from different angles. 
 

AC tried to turn down. His front wheel just kept pushing. There was nothing he could do. Look at these two photos. The circled number is the frame of video. 20 frames from the time Webb hit the dirt, until AC made contact. That’s 0.66 seconds. 
 

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here’s some more photos showing the contact. AC absolutely hit Webb’s helmet. You can see how his visor snaps up when contact is made.  
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 Rear wheel contact on Webb’s backIMG 8005.png?VersionId=S9Nlf7f.RoKf2h

 

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4/30/2023 9:57am

Why is this even a conversation? Was any of this even questioned? 

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4/30/2023 10:00am
studworx wrote:

Why is this even a conversation? Was any of this even questioned? 

Ya read the other threads. Some people saying AC should’ve turned down, or chopped the throttle so he could miss Webb. Or saying he hit his back, not his helmet. 

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4/30/2023 10:09am

Cooper said that he made a mistake and no one was to blame, which I agree with.  Glad Cooper will be okay, but it was pretty disheartening to see some of the comments made about him on social media while he was being transported to the hospital.  

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4/30/2023 10:10am

What’s the controversy? Haven’t seen anything saying it was AC’s fault..

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4/30/2023 10:15am

On the couch it's easy to underestimate how quickly this happens. Human reaction time is 1/5 of a sec 

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4/30/2023 10:24am
Brad460 wrote:

What’s the controversy? Haven’t seen anything saying it was AC’s fault..

There has been quite a few guys in here blaming AC. Which I disagree with. In the end though , I'm just glad Cooper is ok. Was definitely a brutal hit. 

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4/30/2023 10:28am Edited Date/Time 4/30/2023 2:58pm

Thx, your pictures clearly show AC tried all he could to avoid CW.

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4/30/2023 10:30am
The Moth wrote:
Cooper said that he made a mistake and no one was to blame, which I agree with.  Glad Cooper will be okay, but it was pretty...

Cooper said that he made a mistake and no one was to blame, which I agree with.  Glad Cooper will be okay, but it was pretty disheartening to see some of the comments made about him on social media while he was being transported to the hospital.  

There are a lot of sick assholes on social disease media these days. 

 

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4/30/2023 10:55am

AC's NOT the kind of guy that would intentionally hit someone laid out. End of story. For people to claim otherwise, they're just ass hats.

And yes, I'm not supposed to name call.

Glad Coop's OK

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4/30/2023 12:00pm

Yep, can see that AC's rear wheel followed the rut 

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4/30/2023 12:04pm

AC has come onto Twitter and expressed how destroyed he is because of what happened…and said it happened too fast for him to correct his trajectory. Coop has come onto SM and said it was just unavoidable and he lays no blame on anyone. 
 

Why is anyone trying to stoke the drama fire? 

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4/30/2023 1:01pm

There is always that one guy, frame by frame break down like he is breaking down the Zapruder film of the Kennedy assassination. 🤷‍♀️

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4/30/2023 1:19pm

If anything AC should be given credit for not breaking Cooper back.

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4/30/2023 2:00pm
1911 wrote:

There is always that one guy, frame by frame break down like he is breaking down the Zapruder film of the Kennedy assassination. 🤷‍♀️

…and that’s why I love Vital. We got frames circled, time stamps, red lines showing fender/front tire trajectory, helmets circled. 3hrs of work and no one’s opinion changes. 😂

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4/30/2023 2:54pm
1911 wrote:

There is always that one guy, frame by frame break down like he is breaking down the Zapruder film of the Kennedy assassination. 🤷‍♀️

SEE ARE125 wrote:
…and that’s why I love Vital. We got frames circled, time stamps, red lines showing fender/front tire trajectory, helmets circled. 3hrs of work and no one’s...

…and that’s why I love Vital. We got frames circled, time stamps, red lines showing fender/front tire trajectory, helmets circled. 3hrs of work and no one’s opinion changes. 😂

This is the way. 
 

and I hope it never changes👍

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4/30/2023 3:28pm

I don't think a couple of braindead vitards spewing nonsense classifies this as controversial somehow. 

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4/30/2023 3:36pm
studworx wrote:

Why is this even a conversation? Was any of this even questioned? 

There are a few vitards making posts saying AC DID NOT hit Cooper in the head and he shouldn’t have a concussion because AC hit him in the back. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

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4/30/2023 3:37pm
1911 wrote:

There is always that one guy, frame by frame break down like he is breaking down the Zapruder film of the Kennedy assassination. 🤷‍♀️

SEE ARE125 wrote:
…and that’s why I love Vital. We got frames circled, time stamps, red lines showing fender/front tire trajectory, helmets circled. 3hrs of work and no one’s...

…and that’s why I love Vital. We got frames circled, time stamps, red lines showing fender/front tire trajectory, helmets circled. 3hrs of work and no one’s opinion changes. 😂

It only took about 10 minutes, but still 😂😂

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4/30/2023 3:44pm

This is one of those issues where there are more people complaining about idiots than there are idiots. I've seen a small handful of idiots blaming AC, but if you ignore them they'll go away. The vast majority of people see the incident for what it was, so who cares what the idiots think?

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4/30/2023 3:47pm

Very unfortunate incident and I’m very glad that Webb is mostly fine. Looked very bad in the moment. Definitely a racing incident and AC did what he could to avoid him. I was just surprised at Webbs bobble in that corner, he lost the front in that rut, probably because he ran it on tomac the corner before and was thinking tomac was going to punt him. First time I’ve seen Webb sort of crack. 

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Can we end the controversy? I watched this frame by frame many many times, from different angles.    AC tried to turn down. His front wheel...

Can we end the controversy? I watched this frame by frame many many times, from different angles. 
 

AC tried to turn down. His front wheel just kept pushing. There was nothing he could do. Look at these two photos. The circled number is the frame of video. 20 frames from the time Webb hit the dirt, until AC made contact. That’s 0.66 seconds. 
 

IMG 8007

 IMG 8008


here’s some more photos showing the contact. AC absolutely hit Webb’s helmet. You can see how his visor snaps up when contact is made.  
IMG 7993.jpeg?VersionId=WPG4Kg37zfpHg4

 IMG 7994

 IMG 7995

 IMG 7996.jpeg?VersionId=Y 0oLeiZFE97e4gMt2f 7IDf

 IMG 7998.png?VersionId=mXUwnGDjF.PQx7w5679

 IMG 8002

 IMG 8003

 Rear wheel contact on Webb’s backIMG 8005.png?VersionId=S9Nlf7f.RoKf2h

 

I just now watched the race, and by your post I’m guessing there’s a lot of stupid assholes that thing AC actually did that on purpose… They should be banned from this page forever for being that stupid

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4/30/2023 4:14pm

I'm glad Webb was facing the way he was. If he got hit in the face it would have been really bad.

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4/30/2023 4:58pm

That tub of shit Kawasaki could not hold an inside line even if it were on rails….

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4/30/2023 5:26pm

The more AC tried to go left, the more Webb fell to the left. 

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4/30/2023 5:53pm
studworx wrote:

Why is this even a conversation? Was any of this even questioned? 

It seems that a bunch of people stayed at a Holiday Inn express last night.

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4/30/2023 6:08pm
studworx wrote:

Why is this even a conversation? Was any of this even questioned? 

Every other post on Vital the past two days has been an insult.  Apparently everybody thinks everybody else is stupid and ignorant (everyone's favorite word).

We got enough of that shit during the pandemic here, it was old as dirt then, the constant insults are more tiring now than ever.

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Every other post on Vital the past two days has been an insult.  Apparently everybody thinks everybody else is stupid and ignorant (everyone's favorite word). We...

Every other post on Vital the past two days has been an insult.  Apparently everybody thinks everybody else is stupid and ignorant (everyone's favorite word).

We got enough of that shit during the pandemic here, it was old as dirt then, the constant insults are more tiring now than ever.

Agreed

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4/30/2023 9:39pm

Racing incident. This Thread is just for clicks

4/30/2023 10:51pm

"Can we end the controversy?" The people who seek controversy are the ones thinking there's something here, it's as if they have no fight or flight in their lives and look for something to point at under rocks.

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