Vialle?

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Anyone know how he is? Would be a total shame if he was this close to making it thru SX only to ruin his outdoor shot.

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Mav posted an update in the bench racing thread for the ATL day program. 

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4/16/2023 10:23am

Glad to hear it!!!

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4/16/2023 10:31am

Maybe being a bit too optimistic, I honestly thought that Tom would run near the front of the pack by the end of his first SX season. After all, he's only facing half of the 250cc competitors.

At the risk of inciting incoming fire, I still think he will win the outdoor title, ahead of guys like Hunter and Shimoda who have already won on the AMA circuit, and a hell of a lot of up and coming superstars. 

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4/16/2023 10:47am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2023 10:48am
Mick 22 wrote:
Maybe being a bit too optimistic, I honestly thought that Tom would run near the front of the pack by the end of his first SX...

Maybe being a bit too optimistic, I honestly thought that Tom would run near the front of the pack by the end of his first SX season. After all, he's only facing half of the 250cc competitors.

At the risk of inciting incoming fire, I still think he will win the outdoor title, ahead of guys like Hunter and Shimoda who have already won on the AMA circuit, and a hell of a lot of up and coming superstars. 

The pace at US nationals is VERY different from MX2 - so is the one day program of quali and motos in the same day. He will need to get used to how things work here.
 

Im sure Vialle will do well and maybe win a moto or two, but it’s very unlikely he will win a US title his first year if the regulars stay healthy.

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Mick 22 wrote:
Maybe being a bit too optimistic, I honestly thought that Tom would run near the front of the pack by the end of his first SX...

Maybe being a bit too optimistic, I honestly thought that Tom would run near the front of the pack by the end of his first SX season. After all, he's only facing half of the 250cc competitors.

At the risk of inciting incoming fire, I still think he will win the outdoor title, ahead of guys like Hunter and Shimoda who have already won on the AMA circuit, and a hell of a lot of up and coming superstars. 

He basically HAS been running up near the top 5 a bunch, but small crashes and issues have held him back. I think the list Roger and Ian gave him on the important scale for this year is.

1. Get through SX season healthy.

2. Gain experience

3. Don't let your confidence get destroyed. He came to the US as a world champ, it would be easy to get bummed out if he were riding around in 16th.

I feel like he has accomplished all 3 of those so far. 

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4/16/2023 11:10am

That was a nasty crash yesterday. I’m sure the bike had to have been jacked up

4/16/2023 11:41am

The transition to SX is a tough one when a rider has mainly ridden MX his whole life.  I think he has done fine and has showed the has the talent and speed to be a future title contender.  He just needs to continue to learn and gain experience.  I expect him to win 1 or 2 motos this summer in the outdoors and contend for podiums weekly, with for sure finishing top 5 on the season and possibly top 3.  Hes a great talent and we're fortunate to get him in our series here in the US.

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4/16/2023 11:44am

Clearly  he needs DV12 coaching for SX👍

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4/16/2023 11:59am

Glad to hear he’s okay, the crash made it look like his shoulder may have came out. 

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80% of threads lately can be answered by looking at the riders Instagram. And you don’t need Instagram to look. 

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Cygrace74 wrote:

80% of threads lately can be answered by looking at the riders Instagram. And you don’t need Instagram to look. 

Who wants to search around social media? This is what the site is for. 

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4/16/2023 1:09pm

Happy for the kid he’s not hurt. Only a few more and we get to see him at his game, and I’m here for it.  
 

Hang in there Tom!!

4/16/2023 1:19pm

Looking forward to see him ride outdoors to bad jett moving up though.

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4/16/2023 3:32pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2023 3:33pm

I have to admit that I don’t pay attention to MXGP.  Just out of curiosity, if Tom wanted to come to the US to race supercross, why did he wait until he was 22 years old to try it?  

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Mick 22 wrote:
Maybe being a bit too optimistic, I honestly thought that Tom would run near the front of the pack by the end of his first SX...

Maybe being a bit too optimistic, I honestly thought that Tom would run near the front of the pack by the end of his first SX season. After all, he's only facing half of the 250cc competitors.

At the risk of inciting incoming fire, I still think he will win the outdoor title, ahead of guys like Hunter and Shimoda who have already won on the AMA circuit, and a hell of a lot of up and coming superstars. 

Brent wrote:
The pace at US nationals is VERY different from MX2 - so is the one day program of quali and motos in the same day. He...

The pace at US nationals is VERY different from MX2 - so is the one day program of quali and motos in the same day. He will need to get used to how things work here.
 

Im sure Vialle will do well and maybe win a moto or two, but it’s very unlikely he will win a US title his first year if the regulars stay healthy.

I think Vialle could win in his rookie year, he’s older and when the last MX2 world champs came with Musquin and Roczen there was much much more competition then there is now. 

4/16/2023 4:12pm
I have to admit that I don’t pay attention to MXGP.  Just out of curiosity, if Tom wanted to come to the US to race supercross...

I have to admit that I don’t pay attention to MXGP.  Just out of curiosity, if Tom wanted to come to the US to race supercross, why did he wait until he was 22 years old to try it?  

Something along the lines of he was being forced out of mx2 and wasn’t ready to make the jump or KTM didn’t have room for him

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4/16/2023 4:33pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2023 4:45pm
Mick 22 wrote:
Maybe being a bit too optimistic, I honestly thought that Tom would run near the front of the pack by the end of his first SX...

Maybe being a bit too optimistic, I honestly thought that Tom would run near the front of the pack by the end of his first SX season. After all, he's only facing half of the 250cc competitors.

At the risk of inciting incoming fire, I still think he will win the outdoor title, ahead of guys like Hunter and Shimoda who have already won on the AMA circuit, and a hell of a lot of up and coming superstars. 

Brent wrote:
The pace at US nationals is VERY different from MX2 - so is the one day program of quali and motos in the same day. He...

The pace at US nationals is VERY different from MX2 - so is the one day program of quali and motos in the same day. He will need to get used to how things work here.
 

Im sure Vialle will do well and maybe win a moto or two, but it’s very unlikely he will win a US title his first year if the regulars stay healthy.

It is just an utterly different outdoor championship. Like you say, the one day program creates the fact that he won't have too much time to learn a track. Some of that can be fixed by watching some videos and onboards from the past seasons but that ain't the same. If you mean with pace, the thing that tracks in the USA are more open with multiple lines, faster due to the (mostly) better track prep than in the Grand Prix series and because of the one day format and only 4 heats the tracks will flowing better. They aren't chew up to the bone like some European tracks are after EMX125, EMX250, MX2 and MXGP. That needs adapting, also his European set-up can be thrown away, because he needs to stiffen his suspension and his engine mapping will also be totally different. Beside all this I think that the biggest challenge is: "The Heat", can he handle the warmth. The tracks are maybe less brutal the heat will make up for that, and no more 2 hours rest between motos, but only 1 hour rest.

Brent you've saw it all from the first row with Elzinga. It won't be easy for Tom Vialle, but I think if he doesn't suffer to much from the heat, or it is a cold summer he can win an overall, and if that happens early in the season he could get on cloud9 and start a winning streak. On the other hand Hunter Lawrence really wants that championship to complete the family collection and go on a good flow towards the 450 class, but I hope that Jo Shimoda give him a run for his money. This to make the 250 class interesting and for Pro Circuit Kawasaki, who really needs to win something.

No idea if there are any other legit candidates for that 250 championship, JMart? Thrasher? Masterpool??

@quadzrulebro Tom Vialle became a second time world champion in the MX2 class. After a second title you get forced out of the MX2 class and KTM/Husqvarna/GasGas where downsizing in the MXGP series. From at one certain moment 6 pilots in every team: three riders form every brand in every class. You have now four riders at KTM with 1 MXGP rider & 3 MX2 riders. Husqvarna has 3 MX2 riders and GasGas has 2 MXGP riders and 1 MX2 rider. But on the other side of the ocean the Austrians could use a solid MX2/250 rider on the side of Max Vohland.

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I have to admit that I don’t pay attention to MXGP.  Just out of curiosity, if Tom wanted to come to the US to race supercross...

I have to admit that I don’t pay attention to MXGP.  Just out of curiosity, if Tom wanted to come to the US to race supercross, why did he wait until he was 22 years old to try it?  

Something along the lines of he was being forced out of mx2 and wasn’t ready to make the jump or KTM didn’t have room for him

He didn't come because he was being forced out, he wanted to go to the 450 before the 2022 season but KTM didn't let him.

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It is just an utterly different outdoor championship. Like you say, the one day program creates the fact that he won't have too much time to...

It is just an utterly different outdoor championship. Like you say, the one day program creates the fact that he won't have too much time to learn a track. Some of that can be fixed by watching some videos and onboards from the past seasons but that ain't the same. If you mean with pace, the thing that tracks in the USA are more open with multiple lines, faster due to the (mostly) better track prep than in the Grand Prix series and because of the one day format and only 4 heats the tracks will flowing better. They aren't chew up to the bone like some European tracks are after EMX125, EMX250, MX2 and MXGP. That needs adapting, also his European set-up can be thrown away, because he needs to stiffen his suspension and his engine mapping will also be totally different. Beside all this I think that the biggest challenge is: "The Heat", can he handle the warmth. The tracks are maybe less brutal the heat will make up for that, and no more 2 hours rest between motos, but only 1 hour rest.

Brent you've saw it all from the first row with Elzinga. It won't be easy for Tom Vialle, but I think if he doesn't suffer to much from the heat, or it is a cold summer he can win an overall, and if that happens early in the season he could get on cloud9 and start a winning streak. On the other hand Hunter Lawrence really wants that championship to complete the family collection and go on a good flow towards the 450 class, but I hope that Jo Shimoda give him a run for his money. This to make the 250 class interesting and for Pro Circuit Kawasaki, who really needs to win something.

No idea if there are any other legit candidates for that 250 championship, JMart? Thrasher? Masterpool??

@quadzrulebro Tom Vialle became a second time world champion in the MX2 class. After a second title you get forced out of the MX2 class and KTM/Husqvarna/GasGas where downsizing in the MXGP series. From at one certain moment 6 pilots in every team: three riders form every brand in every class. You have now four riders at KTM with 1 MXGP rider & 3 MX2 riders. Husqvarna has 3 MX2 riders and GasGas has 2 MXGP riders and 1 MX2 rider. But on the other side of the ocean the Austrians could use a solid MX2/250 rider on the side of Max Vohland.

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4/16/2023 9:06pm

Glad he’s okay!

Also. Who gives a shit who wins as long as it’s some great racing! Already looking forward the battles 

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dinger212 wrote:

Glad he’s okay!

Also. Who gives a shit who wins as long as it’s some great racing! Already looking forward the battles 

Exactly. We get to add a 2x world champ to our series and guys here just wanna argue about whether or not he can win. Vialle is a total bad ass on a dirt bike whether he wins right away or not. I feel like some people here allow the MXGP vs AMA MX nonsense cloud their judgement a little bit. 
 

But anyone who doesn’t think he can battle for race wins is blind 😉

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Mick 22 wrote:
Maybe being a bit too optimistic, I honestly thought that Tom would run near the front of the pack by the end of his first SX...

Maybe being a bit too optimistic, I honestly thought that Tom would run near the front of the pack by the end of his first SX season. After all, he's only facing half of the 250cc competitors.

At the risk of inciting incoming fire, I still think he will win the outdoor title, ahead of guys like Hunter and Shimoda who have already won on the AMA circuit, and a hell of a lot of up and coming superstars. 

Brent wrote:
The pace at US nationals is VERY different from MX2 - so is the one day program of quali and motos in the same day. He...

The pace at US nationals is VERY different from MX2 - so is the one day program of quali and motos in the same day. He will need to get used to how things work here.
 

Im sure Vialle will do well and maybe win a moto or two, but it’s very unlikely he will win a US title his first year if the regulars stay healthy.

MXMattii wrote:
It is just an utterly different outdoor championship. Like you say, the one day program creates the fact that he won't have too much time to...

It is just an utterly different outdoor championship. Like you say, the one day program creates the fact that he won't have too much time to learn a track. Some of that can be fixed by watching some videos and onboards from the past seasons but that ain't the same. If you mean with pace, the thing that tracks in the USA are more open with multiple lines, faster due to the (mostly) better track prep than in the Grand Prix series and because of the one day format and only 4 heats the tracks will flowing better. They aren't chew up to the bone like some European tracks are after EMX125, EMX250, MX2 and MXGP. That needs adapting, also his European set-up can be thrown away, because he needs to stiffen his suspension and his engine mapping will also be totally different. Beside all this I think that the biggest challenge is: "The Heat", can he handle the warmth. The tracks are maybe less brutal the heat will make up for that, and no more 2 hours rest between motos, but only 1 hour rest.

Brent you've saw it all from the first row with Elzinga. It won't be easy for Tom Vialle, but I think if he doesn't suffer to much from the heat, or it is a cold summer he can win an overall, and if that happens early in the season he could get on cloud9 and start a winning streak. On the other hand Hunter Lawrence really wants that championship to complete the family collection and go on a good flow towards the 450 class, but I hope that Jo Shimoda give him a run for his money. This to make the 250 class interesting and for Pro Circuit Kawasaki, who really needs to win something.

No idea if there are any other legit candidates for that 250 championship, JMart? Thrasher? Masterpool??

@quadzrulebro Tom Vialle became a second time world champion in the MX2 class. After a second title you get forced out of the MX2 class and KTM/Husqvarna/GasGas where downsizing in the MXGP series. From at one certain moment 6 pilots in every team: three riders form every brand in every class. You have now four riders at KTM with 1 MXGP rider & 3 MX2 riders. Husqvarna has 3 MX2 riders and GasGas has 2 MXGP riders and 1 MX2 rider. But on the other side of the ocean the Austrians could use a solid MX2/250 rider on the side of Max Vohland.

There’s no way you can look at Elzinga and apply the same logic to Vialle 😂

 

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dinger212 wrote:

Glad he’s okay!

Also. Who gives a shit who wins as long as it’s some great racing! Already looking forward the battles 

agn5008 wrote:
Exactly. We get to add a 2x world champ to our series and guys here just wanna argue about whether or not he can win. Vialle...

Exactly. We get to add a 2x world champ to our series and guys here just wanna argue about whether or not he can win. Vialle is a total bad ass on a dirt bike whether he wins right away or not. I feel like some people here allow the MXGP vs AMA MX nonsense cloud their judgement a little bit. 
 

But anyone who doesn’t think he can battle for race wins is blind 😉

Correctomundo. Enjoy the racing. Enjoy the battles. Professional dirt bike racers are badass, regardless if they race the AMA Nationals or MXGP, hell even the Canadian series (that was for your Steve)

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MXMattii wrote:
It is just an utterly different outdoor championship. Like you say, the one day program creates the fact that he won't have too much time to...

It is just an utterly different outdoor championship. Like you say, the one day program creates the fact that he won't have too much time to learn a track. Some of that can be fixed by watching some videos and onboards from the past seasons but that ain't the same. If you mean with pace, the thing that tracks in the USA are more open with multiple lines, faster due to the (mostly) better track prep than in the Grand Prix series and because of the one day format and only 4 heats the tracks will flowing better. They aren't chew up to the bone like some European tracks are after EMX125, EMX250, MX2 and MXGP. That needs adapting, also his European set-up can be thrown away, because he needs to stiffen his suspension and his engine mapping will also be totally different. Beside all this I think that the biggest challenge is: "The Heat", can he handle the warmth. The tracks are maybe less brutal the heat will make up for that, and no more 2 hours rest between motos, but only 1 hour rest.

Brent you've saw it all from the first row with Elzinga. It won't be easy for Tom Vialle, but I think if he doesn't suffer to much from the heat, or it is a cold summer he can win an overall, and if that happens early in the season he could get on cloud9 and start a winning streak. On the other hand Hunter Lawrence really wants that championship to complete the family collection and go on a good flow towards the 450 class, but I hope that Jo Shimoda give him a run for his money. This to make the 250 class interesting and for Pro Circuit Kawasaki, who really needs to win something.

No idea if there are any other legit candidates for that 250 championship, JMart? Thrasher? Masterpool??

@quadzrulebro Tom Vialle became a second time world champion in the MX2 class. After a second title you get forced out of the MX2 class and KTM/Husqvarna/GasGas where downsizing in the MXGP series. From at one certain moment 6 pilots in every team: three riders form every brand in every class. You have now four riders at KTM with 1 MXGP rider & 3 MX2 riders. Husqvarna has 3 MX2 riders and GasGas has 2 MXGP riders and 1 MX2 rider. But on the other side of the ocean the Austrians could use a solid MX2/250 rider on the side of Max Vohland.

Juck wrote:

Justin Cooper

i dont think J.coop can work through the pack like others. unless he holeshots. He kinda just hovers around podiums. consistently. i think that whats keeps him in title hunts. 

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80% of threads lately can be answered by looking at the riders Instagram. And you don’t need Instagram to look. 

X2. You get the scoop on Instagram  before anywhere else. Way before it's got a thread on vital

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Cygrace74 wrote:

80% of threads lately can be answered by looking at the riders Instagram. And you don’t need Instagram to look. 

And I thought there was only Vital and Porn Hub.

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I'm surprised more people aren't bringing up the karate kick as Bubba called it. It didn't work for him but it was a pretty heads up move trying to kick a bike out of your way midair. Whether it was the best thought out plan and if it put the other guy in danger is debatable. 

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