Brayton vs Weege response to caller question on TV broadcast

2/22/2023 2:09pm

Wow I see the safe space corner is full today

What does this even mean within the context of this thread

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2/22/2023 3:47pm
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And the condescension is real, if you ever caught the tone of contempt Weege and Matthes have when they mention vital MX viewers, or fans at...

And the condescension is real, if you ever caught the tone of contempt Weege and Matthes have when they mention vital MX viewers, or fans at a race? Matthes and Weege may make money from the MX/SX industry but they have a very low opinion of the typical fan, to the point of appearing burnt out. Actually many industry insiders seem to feel likewise.

SX/MX Fans at Vital? That is like saying there's riders at Vital.  Isn't this just a place where people come to argue? 

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weigandt is the most intelligent person in teh sport by far. he knows carbunkle and screech are bad for the sport. he knows he's just gotta...

weigandt is the most intelligent person in teh sport by far. he knows carbunkle and screech are bad for the sport. he knows he's just gotta stay mum and bide his time and not bite the hand that feeds.  cream will rise to the top. 

 

 

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weigandt is the most intelligent person in teh sport by far. he knows carbunkle and screech are bad for the sport. he knows he's just gotta...

weigandt is the most intelligent person in teh sport by far. he knows carbunkle and screech are bad for the sport. he knows he's just gotta stay mum and bide his time and not bite the hand that feeds.  cream will rise to the top. 

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2/22/2023 10:08pm

On a good day the broadcast is mediocre at best. RC is horrible! 

WOOOOOAHHHHH HE MESSED UP

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2/23/2023 4:29am

Shocking that Weege echoes same stances that DC was saying last summer. Steve also. At Arlington this weekend can they make sure to film the start from the parking lot? I mean that way we can maybe see what color the bike is. Jesus that was terrible for oakland. Timing on the screen is a shitshow, again... I mean Moss, top 5 in main, then disappears. Nothing said. Overall the caller had some great points, Weege's true arrogance came thru for sure. Only person more annoying then Weege is Johnny Hopper. 

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2/23/2023 5:15am
Nobody is ONLY complaining about missing the Sexton crash, so stop picking ONE thing and trying to make your point. Do people love to bitch? Of...

Nobody is ONLY complaining about missing the Sexton crash, so stop picking ONE thing and trying to make your point.

Do people love to bitch? Of course. Is the broadcast and production pretty terrible and needs a dramatic change? Also yes.

Don't try to pull the "back in my day" card either, I'm from the Cycle News generation, I understand live coverage every week is a huge improvement. Doesn't mean the ACTUAL coverage and production is good. It's not. It's not even close.

Last week even the LIVE ANNOUNCERS were actively trying to pull the producer back to what was happening on the track, but instead they were following the battle for 6th, all while Webb was on Sexton. 

The production is a joke if you actually know what it could be, and unless a cultural shift happens from the inside, it will never improve. It's a circle jerk and it starts with Bondo, and all his enablers who refuse to listen to the people they are supposedly catering to. 

Man I wish you’d called in to Pulp on Monday to raise these points about the broadcast instead of the other dude. He got shut down/mugged off by Matthes & Weege pretty bad unfortunately. 

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2/23/2023 8:13am Edited Date/Time 2/23/2023 8:13am

I was actually planning to call in, and then figured it wasn't worth getting talked down to like a child, which is about all that happens to any caller that doesn't agree with Steve or his guest.

I was pretty disappointed in the response from Weege; as in he pretty much twisted what the caller was saying and also got some facts simply wrong.

Webb WAS catching Sexton right before the crash, the gap wasn't "as big as it was the whole race" like Weege said. Also, nobody cares about Anderson passing for 6th, regardless of how bad his start was. Not when the battle for the lead is CLEARLY materializing.

Unfortunately it's like talking to a brick wall, so until someone actually is ready to admit dramatic improvements can be made, it's almost pointless.

Weege even mentioned THIS thread on Pulp, and he clearly cherry-picked some invalid points to counter. Like the whole "we want the broadcast to catch everything" thing...uh, no, nobody is saying that. 

 

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2/23/2023 8:41am

Weege wants to make us think the whole process is so difficult and it takes special skills to put out the product. Meanwhile all these ex racers can pick up the mic and pretty much get up to his speed as a side job. 
Brayton, stew, AC, JT, Blair etc.

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2/23/2023 8:55am
wvumounty wrote:
Weege wants to make us think the whole process is so difficult and it takes special skills to put out the product. Meanwhile all these ex...

Weege wants to make us think the whole process is so difficult and it takes special skills to put out the product. Meanwhile all these ex racers can pick up the mic and pretty much get up to his speed as a side job. 
Brayton, stew, AC, JT, Blair etc.

The bias in this whole thread and this post are silly out of control.  He did not say his job was hard, he was talking about what battle to cover and which riders to have on screen.....not to mention his job is not the same as any of those.  He is a color commentator, not an analyst.  Did you even listen to the show??

His points were accurate.  No matter who they cover someone will be upset and say they suck.....and he did say race day live needs to improve greatly catching hot laps as did Brayton.  Race Day Live is a joke to say the least, but I am glad we have it regardless.

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2/23/2023 9:33am
wvumounty wrote:
Weege wants to make us think the whole process is so difficult and it takes special skills to put out the product. Meanwhile all these ex...

Weege wants to make us think the whole process is so difficult and it takes special skills to put out the product. Meanwhile all these ex racers can pick up the mic and pretty much get up to his speed as a side job. 
Brayton, stew, AC, JT, Blair etc.

The bias in this whole thread and this post are silly out of control.  He did not say his job was hard, he was talking about...

The bias in this whole thread and this post are silly out of control.  He did not say his job was hard, he was talking about what battle to cover and which riders to have on screen.....not to mention his job is not the same as any of those.  He is a color commentator, not an analyst.  Did you even listen to the show??

His points were accurate.  No matter who they cover someone will be upset and say they suck.....and he did say race day live needs to improve greatly catching hot laps as did Brayton.  Race Day Live is a joke to say the least, but I am glad we have it regardless.

The issue is not the on air talent, it's the production director that makes the calls on how the broadcast is produced and what the audience sees. The guys in the booth are constantly being fed info in their ear on what the director is going to do or what to cover so there's a transition to what is being broadcast. Weege is a color guy, the traffic cop, directing what's being spoke about to inform or set up the analyst for the details. Personally I think the on air talent is fine, it's the decision maker that makes the broadcast what it is. That's the issue, and everyone sees it, even the on air talent, they just can't say any anything without harming themselves. 

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2/23/2023 9:42am
wvumounty wrote:
Weege wants to make us think the whole process is so difficult and it takes special skills to put out the product. Meanwhile all these ex...

Weege wants to make us think the whole process is so difficult and it takes special skills to put out the product. Meanwhile all these ex racers can pick up the mic and pretty much get up to his speed as a side job. 
Brayton, stew, AC, JT, Blair etc.

The bias in this whole thread and this post are silly out of control.  He did not say his job was hard, he was talking about...

The bias in this whole thread and this post are silly out of control.  He did not say his job was hard, he was talking about what battle to cover and which riders to have on screen.....not to mention his job is not the same as any of those.  He is a color commentator, not an analyst.  Did you even listen to the show??

His points were accurate.  No matter who they cover someone will be upset and say they suck.....and he did say race day live needs to improve greatly catching hot laps as did Brayton.  Race Day Live is a joke to say the least, but I am glad we have it regardless.

The issue is not the on air talent, it's the production director that makes the calls on how the broadcast is produced and what the audience...

The issue is not the on air talent, it's the production director that makes the calls on how the broadcast is produced and what the audience sees. The guys in the booth are constantly being fed info in their ear on what the director is going to do or what to cover so there's a transition to what is being broadcast. Weege is a color guy, the traffic cop, directing what's being spoke about to inform or set up the analyst for the details. Personally I think the on air talent is fine, it's the decision maker that makes the broadcast what it is. That's the issue, and everyone sees it, even the on air talent, they just can't say any anything without harming themselves. 

I agree. The choices made are really bad sometimes especially during qualifying. I also believe it’s very difficult to always catch who crashes and every pass made.  Just like everything online, the expectations are beyond unreasonable. 

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2/23/2023 10:52am
I was actually planning to call in, and then figured it wasn't worth getting talked down to like a child, which is about all that happens...

I was actually planning to call in, and then figured it wasn't worth getting talked down to like a child, which is about all that happens to any caller that doesn't agree with Steve or his guest.

I was pretty disappointed in the response from Weege; as in he pretty much twisted what the caller was saying and also got some facts simply wrong.

Webb WAS catching Sexton right before the crash, the gap wasn't "as big as it was the whole race" like Weege said. Also, nobody cares about Anderson passing for 6th, regardless of how bad his start was. Not when the battle for the lead is CLEARLY materializing.

Unfortunately it's like talking to a brick wall, so until someone actually is ready to admit dramatic improvements can be made, it's almost pointless.

Weege even mentioned THIS thread on Pulp, and he clearly cherry-picked some invalid points to counter. Like the whole "we want the broadcast to catch everything" thing...uh, no, nobody is saying that. 

 

The smugness of the entire PulpMX circle jerk show has gone through the roof over the past couple of years. You can feel the disdain for the callers in their voices, especially Matthes, who acts like an entitled big dick rockstar, even tough he's just a dude with a podcast.

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2/23/2023 11:08am
The smugness of the entire PulpMX circle jerk show has gone through the roof over the past couple of years. You can feel the disdain for...

The smugness of the entire PulpMX circle jerk show has gone through the roof over the past couple of years. You can feel the disdain for the callers in their voices, especially Matthes, who acts like an entitled big dick rockstar, even tough he's just a dude with a podcast.

But you still tune in every week I bet.

 

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2/23/2023 11:11am
The smugness of the entire PulpMX circle jerk show has gone through the roof over the past couple of years. You can feel the disdain for...

The smugness of the entire PulpMX circle jerk show has gone through the roof over the past couple of years. You can feel the disdain for the callers in their voices, especially Matthes, who acts like an entitled big dick rockstar, even tough he's just a dude with a podcast.

He really does, to the point JT and other guests have actually defended the callers live on the show.

I don't necessarily agree with all of JT's opinions, but to me he's the only one who will still be objective and stand his ground on most things.

I think Steve does a lot of good things and puts out a lot of good content, to me he just lacks some perspective on a lot of things as well.

It baffled me how he was so spun out on how the Dirt Wurx guys got into the stadiums each week. He was amazed there was security there to let them in. Unless that whole thing was parody...that's how odd it was to me. 

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2/23/2023 11:12am
The smugness of the entire PulpMX circle jerk show has gone through the roof over the past couple of years. You can feel the disdain for...

The smugness of the entire PulpMX circle jerk show has gone through the roof over the past couple of years. You can feel the disdain for the callers in their voices, especially Matthes, who acts like an entitled big dick rockstar, even tough he's just a dude with a podcast.

But you still tune in every week I bet.

 

And?? So you don't watch any shows or listen to any podcasts unless you agree with 100% of what they say or do?

You do understand it's ok to watch the races every week, listen to all the podcasts, AND have constructive criticism for all the above, right?

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2/23/2023 11:20am

Free is free. If pulp went to patreon or paid subscription, I’m out.

vital is upping the podcast volume and I’m fine with that. 

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2/23/2023 11:37am
And?? So you don't watch any shows or listen to any podcasts unless you agree with 100% of what they say or do? You do understand...

And?? So you don't watch any shows or listen to any podcasts unless you agree with 100% of what they say or do?

You do understand it's ok to watch the races every week, listen to all the podcasts, AND have constructive criticism for all the above, right?

So far all I have learned in this thread is that broadcasting is easy, everyone at the races is a 'bro on the teet of the industry, and anyone in this thread could do a better job than Chris Bond.

And you all wonder why Matthes and Weege signed off the caller early....

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2/23/2023 11:40am
The smugness of the entire PulpMX circle jerk show has gone through the roof over the past couple of years. You can feel the disdain for...

The smugness of the entire PulpMX circle jerk show has gone through the roof over the past couple of years. You can feel the disdain for the callers in their voices, especially Matthes, who acts like an entitled big dick rockstar, even tough he's just a dude with a podcast.

But you still tune in every week I bet.

 

During my two hour commute to and from work everyday, ya, absolutely.

Just like i tune in to Whiskey, Gipsy and now Vital. I think you missed the point.

2/23/2023 11:42am
And?? So you don't watch any shows or listen to any podcasts unless you agree with 100% of what they say or do? You do understand...

And?? So you don't watch any shows or listen to any podcasts unless you agree with 100% of what they say or do?

You do understand it's ok to watch the races every week, listen to all the podcasts, AND have constructive criticism for all the above, right?

So far all I have learned in this thread is that broadcasting is easy, everyone at the races is a 'bro on the teet of the...

So far all I have learned in this thread is that broadcasting is easy, everyone at the races is a 'bro on the teet of the industry, and anyone in this thread could do a better job than Chris Bond.

And you all wonder why Matthes and Weege signed off the caller early....

Then you're taking an even lazier and more biased perspective than Weege and Matthes, because if you actually read the thread and ignored the few other LAZY pundits, you'd understand the actual argument. 

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2/23/2023 11:42am
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Free is free. If pulp went to patreon or paid subscription, I’m out.

vital is upping the podcast volume and I’m fine with that. 

Agreed. He needs some new material. The same  inside jokes and content he uses every show get old. 

2/23/2023 11:57am
And?? So you don't watch any shows or listen to any podcasts unless you agree with 100% of what they say or do? You do understand...

And?? So you don't watch any shows or listen to any podcasts unless you agree with 100% of what they say or do?

You do understand it's ok to watch the races every week, listen to all the podcasts, AND have constructive criticism for all the above, right?

So far all I have learned in this thread is that broadcasting is easy, everyone at the races is a 'bro on the teet of the...

So far all I have learned in this thread is that broadcasting is easy, everyone at the races is a 'bro on the teet of the industry, and anyone in this thread could do a better job than Chris Bond.

And you all wonder why Matthes and Weege signed off the caller early....

Tell us that you don't understand what access journalism is without telling us.

2/23/2023 11:59am Edited Date/Time 2/23/2023 12:02pm
And?? So you don't watch any shows or listen to any podcasts unless you agree with 100% of what they say or do? You do understand...

And?? So you don't watch any shows or listen to any podcasts unless you agree with 100% of what they say or do?

You do understand it's ok to watch the races every week, listen to all the podcasts, AND have constructive criticism for all the above, right?

So far all I have learned in this thread is that broadcasting is easy, everyone at the races is a 'bro on the teet of the...

So far all I have learned in this thread is that broadcasting is easy, everyone at the races is a 'bro on the teet of the industry, and anyone in this thread could do a better job than Chris Bond.

And you all wonder why Matthes and Weege signed off the caller early....

Then you're taking an even lazier and more biased perspective than Weege and Matthes, because if you actually read the thread and ignored the few other...

Then you're taking an even lazier and more biased perspective than Weege and Matthes, because if you actually read the thread and ignored the few other LAZY pundits, you'd understand the actual argument. 

I did read the thread, even offered my own opinion on how they need to show the heat race finishes to 9th place. That is one racing aspect of the broadcast that needs fixing absolutely.  Number 2 is only show the racing, no interviews, no replays from last week, last month last season. Just the racing, and at most a 2-screen replay of anything significant that has been missed.

Otherwise, it's just individual nitpicking. Show the battle that's developing, it's easy to see from live timing.....they go to that and then the leader cartwheels and only a bad camera angle catches it, and 50% of the viewers are upset about that. Stay on the leader too long, show the emerging battle in another box and people complain they can't see it well enough.  Add in that each viewer has a bias based on who they are a fan of, or who they want to see do something and all it ends up being is scatter-gun whining.

And while not fully defending Matthes for clicking the caller (even though I was fine with it), he's been very open about how many tweets and DMs he receives every race day about the broadcast.  There is absolutely nothing he can do about it, and anyone who has listened to him for years knows he's grown weary of hearing about it. So if one calls in to his shows and goes on about the broadcast, even to the point of being slightly combative, expect to get hung up on, damn straight. As for Weigandt, he has repeatedly given very detailed explanations on how the broadcast works, its limitations, etc. But no one actually wants to hear them, everyone just wants to complain about his individual issues.  

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2/23/2023 12:01pm Edited Date/Time 2/23/2023 12:01pm

Tell us that you don't understand what access journalism is without telling us.

You've always got Kooksey.

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2/23/2023 12:12pm
So far all I have learned in this thread is that broadcasting is easy, everyone at the races is a 'bro on the teet of the...

So far all I have learned in this thread is that broadcasting is easy, everyone at the races is a 'bro on the teet of the industry, and anyone in this thread could do a better job than Chris Bond.

And you all wonder why Matthes and Weege signed off the caller early....

Then you're taking an even lazier and more biased perspective than Weege and Matthes, because if you actually read the thread and ignored the few other...

Then you're taking an even lazier and more biased perspective than Weege and Matthes, because if you actually read the thread and ignored the few other LAZY pundits, you'd understand the actual argument. 

I did read the thread, even offered my own opinion on how they need to show the heat race finishes to 9th place. That is one...

I did read the thread, even offered my own opinion on how they need to show the heat race finishes to 9th place. That is one racing aspect of the broadcast that needs fixing absolutely.  Number 2 is only show the racing, no interviews, no replays from last week, last month last season. Just the racing, and at most a 2-screen replay of anything significant that has been missed.

Otherwise, it's just individual nitpicking. Show the battle that's developing, it's easy to see from live timing.....they go to that and then the leader cartwheels and only a bad camera angle catches it, and 50% of the viewers are upset about that. Stay on the leader too long, show the emerging battle in another box and people complain they can't see it well enough.  Add in that each viewer has a bias based on who they are a fan of, or who they want to see do something and all it ends up being is scatter-gun whining.

And while not fully defending Matthes for clicking the caller (even though I was fine with it), he's been very open about how many tweets and DMs he receives every race day about the broadcast.  There is absolutely nothing he can do about it, and anyone who has listened to him for years knows he's grown weary of hearing about it. So if one calls in to his shows and goes on about the broadcast, even to the point of being slightly combative, expect to get hung up on, damn straight. As for Weigandt, he has repeatedly given very detailed explanations on how the broadcast works, its limitations, etc. But no one actually wants to hear them, everyone just wants to complain about his individual issues.  

You are arguing with yourself then, so I guess I'll agree to disagree. Or am I agreeing to agree? Not many people nitpick Weege on his individual style or performance, he's pretty universally praised for those things. He got pulled into this because he defended the production on Pulp and cherry-picked some lazy individual arguments from this thread.

Nobody is saying the production is EASY, what most are saying is the things that need to change seem pretty easy. Stay on the battle, pay attention to live timing when something is developing, and for the love of God stop putting filler interviews and flashbacks on during the race.

I absolutely agree with you about the heat race winner nonsense. 

It's so strange you reply to me in an adversarial way because it feels like we agree on all these things 😂🍻

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2/23/2023 12:21pm
wvumounty wrote:

Free is free. If pulp went to patreon or paid subscription, I’m out.

vital is upping the podcast volume and I’m fine with that. 

The new Vital podcasts with Michael and Lewis are great, darkside's vital podcasts are good too.

Matthes seems to be going through a major midlife crisis right now, but most of the callers either don't know how to spit out a question, have dumb questions or don't know when to get off the phone. He's right to be disdainful of most of them.

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2/23/2023 12:34pm
wvumounty wrote:

Free is free. If pulp went to patreon or paid subscription, I’m out.

vital is upping the podcast volume and I’m fine with that. 

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The new Vital podcasts with Michael and Lewis are great, darkside's vital podcasts are good too. Matthes seems to be going through a major midlife crisis...

The new Vital podcasts with Michael and Lewis are great, darkside's vital podcasts are good too.

Matthes seems to be going through a major midlife crisis right now, but most of the callers either don't know how to spit out a question, have dumb questions or don't know when to get off the phone. He's right to be disdainful of most of them.

I can't disagree with your take on Matthes, he even wants the classic mid-life crisis car.

I think it's harder than it seems to call in and formulate a great question or point, it probably seems easy until you're actually on the air live, right? It is difficult to listen to some of those callers, even the dude who asked the broadcast question ended up laughing towards the end...

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2/23/2023 1:01pm Edited Date/Time 2/23/2023 1:03pm

Talent cost money, whether on the bike or in the control room. Our little sport generates meager revenues, which impacts production values. We want Tomac-level quality, but we’re getting Cianciarulo. Really good at times, but falls off at the most inopportune moments. 

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2/23/2023 3:02pm
You are arguing with yourself then, so I guess I'll agree to disagree. Or am I agreeing to agree? Not many people nitpick Weege on his...

You are arguing with yourself then, so I guess I'll agree to disagree. Or am I agreeing to agree? Not many people nitpick Weege on his individual style or performance, he's pretty universally praised for those things. He got pulled into this because he defended the production on Pulp and cherry-picked some lazy individual arguments from this thread.

Nobody is saying the production is EASY, what most are saying is the things that need to change seem pretty easy. Stay on the battle, pay attention to live timing when something is developing, and for the love of God stop putting filler interviews and flashbacks on during the race.

I absolutely agree with you about the heat race winner nonsense. 

It's so strange you reply to me in an adversarial way because it feels like we agree on all these things 😂🍻

I probably should have just replied without quoting anyone, apologies for that. Was not trying to be adversarial to anyone in particular.

 

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