Joey Savatgy

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2/1/2023 7:46am
moto162 wrote:

Tell that to Kickstart Kenny. I like JS but it's not the bike its seat time.

Tyler D wrote:
Kenny clearly can't hang on for an entire main. how much is due to injury is impossible to quantify, but an easier bike to ride would...

Kenny clearly can't hang on for an entire main. how much is due to injury is impossible to quantify, but an easier bike to ride would help his late-race pace. mcelrath said the bike was too fast and too unstable. KR has tons of talent to modulate those traits, but it saps energy.

TLDR there a difference between a fast hotlap bike and a fast main event bike. 

seth505 wrote:

What?? His worst finish is 5th (best is 3rd) so far and you don't think he can hang on an entire race?

fair point. his laptimes during the gangbangs were stable, but they did degrade a bit more than ETs at san diego. we'll see how the season goes, but it's not as bad so far as i thought. 

https://archives.amasupercross.com/xml/SX/events/S2315/S1F1RID.pdf

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2/1/2023 8:24am

Pretty sad in my opinion that a guy that floats around the top 10 in our premier 450 supercross class doesn’t have a ride. 

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2/1/2023 8:28am

Joey has kind of had a rep as a diva in the past, hasn't he? Seems like Kawasaki had their fill. When there are premium riders available to fill open factory team slots, I would imagine they are filled the quickest with riders that are not only skilled & fast, but are also easy to get along with and represent the team well. Maybe a little humility would go a long way toward getting on a good bike and a good team next season...or maybe be considered quicker to be a fill-in this season.

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2/1/2023 8:32am
Tyler D wrote:
Kenny clearly can't hang on for an entire main. how much is due to injury is impossible to quantify, but an easier bike to ride would...

Kenny clearly can't hang on for an entire main. how much is due to injury is impossible to quantify, but an easier bike to ride would help his late-race pace. mcelrath said the bike was too fast and too unstable. KR has tons of talent to modulate those traits, but it saps energy.

TLDR there a difference between a fast hotlap bike and a fast main event bike. 

seth505 wrote:

What?? His worst finish is 5th (best is 3rd) so far and you don't think he can hang on an entire race?

Tyler D wrote:
fair point. his laptimes during the gangbangs were stable, but they did degrade a bit more than ETs at san diego. we'll see how the season...

fair point. his laptimes during the gangbangs were stable, but they did degrade a bit more than ETs at san diego. we'll see how the season goes, but it's not as bad so far as i thought. 

https://archives.amasupercross.com/xml/SX/events/S2315/S1F1RID.pdf

Well, everything people are describing such as that, he did while on a Honda.  People seem to be correlating a 'fading' with the Suzuki being a bad bike.  The only sample of him doing that is on the Honda, which I think it's clear he didn't gel with all the time (and he also had the insane/gnarly injuries).

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2/1/2023 8:40am

Didn't Savatgy turn down the HEP ride?  Now we see what the HEP bike is capable of.

Juck wrote:

Savatgy would not be getting the same support that Roczen is if he took the ride

Well Juck, read above. The bikes are the same.  So confirming again- yes we now see what the yellow bike is capable of that Joey turned...

Well Juck, read above. The bikes are the same.  So confirming again- yes we now see what the yellow bike is capable of that Joey turned down.  If for money I understand, but it's not the equipment.  Roczen's bike is the same bike Joey would have been riding.  

I meant where the team's focus would be. 

Why are you so invested in proving me wrong?

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2/1/2023 8:58am
Paging Kyle Chisholm.  I would like to know how much different Ken's bike was than yours for the first couple rounds.  Seems people here are saying...

Paging Kyle Chisholm.  I would like to know how much different Ken's bike was than yours for the first couple rounds.  Seems people here are saying he's getting a ton more support than you would be.  All I'm aware of is Ken trying out a suspension vendor of his choice.

Spoonguy wrote:
Nobody stated "a ton". The way vitards put words in peoples mouths or the lack of reading comprehension is alarming. The search HEP stated they needed...

Nobody stated "a ton". The way vitards put words in peoples mouths or the lack of reading comprehension is alarming. The search HEP stated they needed to find sponsors to sign KR dictates different levels of support by logic.

All of our bikes are basically the same besides a few things that are just preference to each rider. We all have access to the same...

All of our bikes are basically the same besides a few things that are just preference to each rider. We all have access to the same things. Mine and Kenny’s bikes are basically the same besides handlebars (different sponsor for progressive side), gearing, graphics, and now suspension with him solely working with FC. So yes basically the exact same bikes. The whole basic package is what the team and I developed before Kenny started and what we have worked on since then. So yes to summarize his FC suspension is the only thing different for him. The team has been great to give us the best and keep working to make it better as we go. Flying back from California right now from doing a couple days of testing again. 

Can't suspension and the development/testing be a pretty big difference though? Honest question, not trying to be a smart ass. Like Oldenberg has the same bike as Jett except suspension, handlebars, gearing, some motor work....

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2/1/2023 9:00am

Does KR have more technicians, financial resources, eqipment options, etc. available? Could Chisolm have the option of the suspension KR has?

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2/1/2023 9:31am
Spoonguy wrote:

Does KR have more technicians, financial resources, eqipment options, etc. available? Could Chisolm have the option of the suspension KR has?

I imagine KR gets the most "attention" on the team...and Chiz is just happy to be there. 

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2/1/2023 9:53am
mtl wrote:

At that level, the bike you are on is the exact difference between top 10 and top 5.

moto162 wrote:

Tell that to Kickstart Kenny. I like JS but it's not the bike its seat time.

DunnySeat wrote:

There are about 5-10 more people involved in developing Kenny's bike verses Joey.

Also, Joey digs his bike. He’s extremely appreciative of what Mitch has built for him & he’s also stoked that Rick(Ware) has made it possible for him race SX (Rick signed Joey for WSX. Btw, I’ve heard that RWR will be racing the SX series in ‘24 with a semi & a compete team). 

But…Joey raced Kawi’s factory bikes…recently; so, he knows what he’s talking about. I’m gonna go with “Joey, I get it”. At the same time, he just needs to keep doing what he’s doing.

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2/1/2023 11:54am
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Also, Joey digs his bike. He’s extremely appreciative of what Mitch has built for him & he’s also stoked that Rick(Ware) has made it possible for...

Also, Joey digs his bike. He’s extremely appreciative of what Mitch has built for him & he’s also stoked that Rick(Ware) has made it possible for him race SX (Rick signed Joey for WSX. Btw, I’ve heard that RWR will be racing the SX series in ‘24 with a semi & a compete team). 

But…Joey raced Kawi’s factory bikes…recently; so, he knows what he’s talking about. I’m gonna go with “Joey, I get it”. At the same time, he just needs to keep doing what he’s doing.

When he publicly says he is on inferior equipment how does that look ? I do not hear Wilson or Kenny saying that do you ? I'm sure he appreciates what people are doing for him. But don't come out and say the equipment is holding him back. Maybe that type of attitude is holding him back from other offers. 

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2/1/2023 12:30pm
Spoonguy wrote:
Nobody stated "a ton". The way vitards put words in peoples mouths or the lack of reading comprehension is alarming. The search HEP stated they needed...

Nobody stated "a ton". The way vitards put words in peoples mouths or the lack of reading comprehension is alarming. The search HEP stated they needed to find sponsors to sign KR dictates different levels of support by logic.

All of our bikes are basically the same besides a few things that are just preference to each rider. We all have access to the same...

All of our bikes are basically the same besides a few things that are just preference to each rider. We all have access to the same things. Mine and Kenny’s bikes are basically the same besides handlebars (different sponsor for progressive side), gearing, graphics, and now suspension with him solely working with FC. So yes basically the exact same bikes. The whole basic package is what the team and I developed before Kenny started and what we have worked on since then. So yes to summarize his FC suspension is the only thing different for him. The team has been great to give us the best and keep working to make it better as we go. Flying back from California right now from doing a couple days of testing again. 

Spoonguy wrote:
Can't suspension and the development/testing be a pretty big difference though? Honest question, not trying to be a smart ass. Like Oldenberg has the same bike...

Can't suspension and the development/testing be a pretty big difference though? Honest question, not trying to be a smart ass. Like Oldenberg has the same bike as Jett except suspension, handlebars, gearing, some motor work....

Not even close to the same comparison.

I love how Kyle comes on here and honestly answers the question, and it's not what some of you want to hear so you keep on asking the same question?

I understand and believe you aren't trying to be a smartass, but he literally already answered the question. 

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2/1/2023 1:18pm
mtl wrote:

At that level, the bike you are on is the exact difference between top 10 and top 5.

Wow.  So savatgy would be battling with Webb, Sexton, Anderson, and Kenny right now on a “good” bike?

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2/1/2023 1:34pm
All of our bikes are basically the same besides a few things that are just preference to each rider. We all have access to the same...

All of our bikes are basically the same besides a few things that are just preference to each rider. We all have access to the same things. Mine and Kenny’s bikes are basically the same besides handlebars (different sponsor for progressive side), gearing, graphics, and now suspension with him solely working with FC. So yes basically the exact same bikes. The whole basic package is what the team and I developed before Kenny started and what we have worked on since then. So yes to summarize his FC suspension is the only thing different for him. The team has been great to give us the best and keep working to make it better as we go. Flying back from California right now from doing a couple days of testing again. 

Spoonguy wrote:
Can't suspension and the development/testing be a pretty big difference though? Honest question, not trying to be a smart ass. Like Oldenberg has the same bike...

Can't suspension and the development/testing be a pretty big difference though? Honest question, not trying to be a smart ass. Like Oldenberg has the same bike as Jett except suspension, handlebars, gearing, some motor work....

Not even close to the same comparison. I love how Kyle comes on here and honestly answers the question, and it's not what some of you...

Not even close to the same comparison.

I love how Kyle comes on here and honestly answers the question, and it's not what some of you want to hear so you keep on asking the same question?

I understand and believe you aren't trying to be a smartass, but he literally already answered the question. 

Understand your point, and apologies to you and Mr. Chisolm. But after 2 World Championships and 2 National Championships, it is sad if he can't get some preferential treatment. That's unfortunate.

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2/1/2023 1:37pm
Spoonguy wrote:
Can't suspension and the development/testing be a pretty big difference though? Honest question, not trying to be a smart ass. Like Oldenberg has the same bike...

Can't suspension and the development/testing be a pretty big difference though? Honest question, not trying to be a smart ass. Like Oldenberg has the same bike as Jett except suspension, handlebars, gearing, some motor work....

Not even close to the same comparison. I love how Kyle comes on here and honestly answers the question, and it's not what some of you...

Not even close to the same comparison.

I love how Kyle comes on here and honestly answers the question, and it's not what some of you want to hear so you keep on asking the same question?

I understand and believe you aren't trying to be a smartass, but he literally already answered the question. 

Spoonguy wrote:
Understand your point, and apologies to you and Mr. Chisolm. But after 2 World Championships and 2 National Championships, it is sad if he can't get...

Understand your point, and apologies to you and Mr. Chisolm. But after 2 World Championships and 2 National Championships, it is sad if he can't get some preferential treatment. That's unfortunate.

All good man, I actually agree with you, but a party directly involved has spoken.

I would even venture Kyle would understand, he seems like a pretty pragmatic dude. 

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2/1/2023 1:42pm
Spoonguy wrote:
Can't suspension and the development/testing be a pretty big difference though? Honest question, not trying to be a smart ass. Like Oldenberg has the same bike...

Can't suspension and the development/testing be a pretty big difference though? Honest question, not trying to be a smart ass. Like Oldenberg has the same bike as Jett except suspension, handlebars, gearing, some motor work....

Not even close to the same comparison. I love how Kyle comes on here and honestly answers the question, and it's not what some of you...

Not even close to the same comparison.

I love how Kyle comes on here and honestly answers the question, and it's not what some of you want to hear so you keep on asking the same question?

I understand and believe you aren't trying to be a smartass, but he literally already answered the question. 

Spoonguy wrote:
Understand your point, and apologies to you and Mr. Chisolm. But after 2 World Championships and 2 National Championships, it is sad if he can't get...

Understand your point, and apologies to you and Mr. Chisolm. But after 2 World Championships and 2 National Championships, it is sad if he can't get some preferential treatment. That's unfortunate.

The preferential treatment is the amount of zeroes on the end of the amounts going into his account.  There’s only so much you can do to a bike before it’s all fine tuning.  

2/2/2023 7:07am

What i am so curious about is how McElrath can be struggling so much and so vocal about the same bike that Chiz and Roczen are developing and having a good time with... I get that different riders need different things and like different feelings but seems a bit suspicious of him at the moment.

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What i am so curious about is how McElrath can be struggling so much and so vocal about the same bike that Chiz and Roczen are...

What i am so curious about is how McElrath can be struggling so much and so vocal about the same bike that Chiz and Roczen are developing and having a good time with... I get that different riders need different things and like different feelings but seems a bit suspicious of him at the moment.

Look at his history, I would have bet $500 dollars that he would mention 'struggling with the bike".

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2/2/2023 12:04pm
What i am so curious about is how McElrath can be struggling so much and so vocal about the same bike that Chiz and Roczen are...

What i am so curious about is how McElrath can be struggling so much and so vocal about the same bike that Chiz and Roczen are developing and having a good time with... I get that different riders need different things and like different feelings but seems a bit suspicious of him at the moment.

seth505 wrote:

Look at his history, I would have bet $500 dollars that he would mention 'struggling with the bike".

Exactly what I was getting at... seems to be a pattern of this since his "good" 250 years.

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2/2/2023 12:07pm

McElrath is another guy that has complained about every bike but Star Yamaha. Does not matter what he rides his results are about the same. 

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2/2/2023 2:41pm
Spoonguy wrote:

Does KR have more technicians, financial resources, eqipment options, etc. available? Could Chisolm have the option of the suspension KR has?

davistld01 wrote:

I imagine KR gets the most "attention" on the team...and Chiz is just happy to be there. 

Just try going up a little bit and reading lol. I literally answered it. We each have our own mechanic provided by the team and have the same “technicians” on the team that work for the team to help every rider on the team. Kenny switched to FC by his choice. 
 

And the comment about Kenny getting all of the attention isn’t really true. Clearly we as a team want each guy to do THEIR best. And his “best” is winning so sure we want to make sure he has all the tools he needs to win. But we also want me to max out my best and help whatever allows me to do my best and that’s the same for each rider. 
I’m not “just happy to be there”. Again read and you’d understand my job with the team. I was “happy” to be doing my own team the last 3 years. And I’m happy doing what I’m now doing too. 

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2/2/2023 2:46pm
Spoonguy wrote:
Can't suspension and the development/testing be a pretty big difference though? Honest question, not trying to be a smart ass. Like Oldenberg has the same bike...

Can't suspension and the development/testing be a pretty big difference though? Honest question, not trying to be a smart ass. Like Oldenberg has the same bike as Jett except suspension, handlebars, gearing, some motor work....

Everything can make a difference. Suspension is very rider preference. The rest of our bikes are the exact same. Like I said besides things like I want to run a 51T sprocket and Shane wants to run a 52T sprocket. We’re given the same basic package with options to choose from based on preference if that makes sense. It is not like Kenny has some special engine or parts and we do not. We all can have the same thing. And good question, but Oldenburg and Jett do not have the same bike other than the frame I’d bet. Basically they do not even have the option to have what the other one has is what I mean. Hope that makes sense. 

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2/2/2023 3:07pm
Not even close to the same comparison. I love how Kyle comes on here and honestly answers the question, and it's not what some of you...

Not even close to the same comparison.

I love how Kyle comes on here and honestly answers the question, and it's not what some of you want to hear so you keep on asking the same question?

I understand and believe you aren't trying to be a smartass, but he literally already answered the question. 

Spoonguy wrote:
Understand your point, and apologies to you and Mr. Chisolm. But after 2 World Championships and 2 National Championships, it is sad if he can't get...

Understand your point, and apologies to you and Mr. Chisolm. But after 2 World Championships and 2 National Championships, it is sad if he can't get some preferential treatment. That's unfortunate.

All good man, I actually agree with you, but a party directly involved has spoken. I would even venture Kyle would understand, he seems like a...

All good man, I actually agree with you, but a party directly involved has spoken.

I would even venture Kyle would understand, he seems like a pretty pragmatic dude. 

Totally get what you guys mean. What I’m saying is basically the team has done a great job giving us the bikes we have. I helped in creating this package that we have so that’s why we all have the same/similar bikes. Because that’s what we developed. And from there each guy customizes it further. And I mean the team isn’t all about one guy. They want all of us to do our best. While of course we want the guy who can win to win because that’s probably most important. And for me personally I would not care if Kenny gets extra attention. As long as I have what I need to do my job, which I do, then they can do whatever they need to do to help him win. We all want him to win for the team. The team is working hard to keep getting better every week

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2/2/2023 3:24pm

Thanks again Kyle for clearing it up for those who didn't get it the first time.  Good luck in Texas, I hope to see you and Ken get a couple yellow hole shots Saturday night Smile

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2/2/2023 3:53pm Edited Date/Time 2/2/2023 3:53pm

Chiz, thanks for being here.  Always appreciate your post and insights. 

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2/2/2023 4:12pm
Bow977 wrote:

Pretty sad in my opinion that a guy that floats around the top 10 in our premier 450 supercross class doesn’t have a ride. 

He doesn’t have a ride?  Or is RWR not a ride?

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2/2/2023 4:37pm

So cool to have Chiz come in and give the real scoop....

 

Cool

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2/2/2023 4:45pm Edited Date/Time 2/2/2023 4:45pm

Can we just use this thread to show appreciation to Rick Ware? The dude is investing in about every type of motorsports. His team is competitive in almost all of them. How many teams with more backing than Rick Ware, would love to have consistent top 10s in Supercross?

Plus he has one of the best top fuel drivers of all time on his team. 

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2/2/2023 5:49pm
Spoonguy wrote:
Understand your point, and apologies to you and Mr. Chisolm. But after 2 World Championships and 2 National Championships, it is sad if he can't get...

Understand your point, and apologies to you and Mr. Chisolm. But after 2 World Championships and 2 National Championships, it is sad if he can't get some preferential treatment. That's unfortunate.

All good man, I actually agree with you, but a party directly involved has spoken. I would even venture Kyle would understand, he seems like a...

All good man, I actually agree with you, but a party directly involved has spoken.

I would even venture Kyle would understand, he seems like a pretty pragmatic dude. 

Totally get what you guys mean. What I’m saying is basically the team has done a great job giving us the bikes we have. I helped...

Totally get what you guys mean. What I’m saying is basically the team has done a great job giving us the bikes we have. I helped in creating this package that we have so that’s why we all have the same/similar bikes. Because that’s what we developed. And from there each guy customizes it further. And I mean the team isn’t all about one guy. They want all of us to do our best. While of course we want the guy who can win to win because that’s probably most important. And for me personally I would not care if Kenny gets extra attention. As long as I have what I need to do my job, which I do, then they can do whatever they need to do to help him win. We all want him to win for the team. The team is working hard to keep getting better every week

Thanks for the reply Mr. Chisolm. It's really been pleasure enough watching your efforts on the track through the years. Keep up the good work and good fortune for the rest of the season! Thanks again.

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2/2/2023 6:21pm

Kyle I don't see many images online of you on the yellow bike this year.  Have any shots from you ripping around the test track all gear'd up?  This is a sick shot, might need to update your profile pic:

Chizz

 

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