Deegan P#13 After Qualifying, and P#5 in futures main

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My Take:

The Bad:

Deegan got a bad start, and rode slightly sketchy a few times, rushing to get to the front.

He wasn't taken out. He caught his left handlebar in the other rider's subframe.  That's his mistake.  He didn't simply wash the front end.

The Good:

He was fast, made passes confidently, and stayed aggressive throughout the race.

 

I'm torn over whether he should line up for the 250SX East series.  I don't think he should wait another year, but he's not up to championship pace yet.  If I were him, I'd go pro next weekend, get the experience, and keep working toward the front.

Then shoot to win the championship for MX 2023.  Tall order, I know, but that should be the only goal for every one who lines up.

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Motodragon wrote:
Why is Star in such a hurry to have Haiden line up for supercross.  Let him get his points and prep for motocross.  He still young...

Why is Star in such a hurry to have Haiden line up for supercross.  Let him get his points and prep for motocross.  He still young and the team can wait to next year. 

MxAddic wrote:
The hype is not living up to the hype. The reason is his past so called domination suggests it to receptive ears. Why is it when...

The hype is not living up to the hype. The reason is his past so called domination suggests it to receptive ears. Why is it when folks point out things didn't go as anticipated the Deganites say your a bad person for hating on a kid? Couldn't be their fault for over hyping him. Seems to me the hype may be the cause of it not living up to itself. All those followers hanging on the kids nuts must get really heavy.

eddie wrote:

Exactly . Haiden is overhyped … but he’s not the one doing the overhyping is he . 

Just watch his early YouTube videos.  He was CRAZY COCKY.  He is well on his way to being the next Alessi, where there is nothing but overhyped DRAMA everywhere they go.

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Taylor415 wrote:
Kid has too much attention. There’s other fast kids coming up. I’d like to see him do well, but having high standards put on you is...

Kid has too much attention. There’s other fast kids coming up. I’d like to see him do well, but having high standards put on you is a bit much. Let the boy race. 

Sully wrote:
He gets attention because he usually wins. RC got attention because he won. Stew got attention because he won. Alessi got attention because he won. AC...

He gets attention because he usually wins. RC got attention because he won. Stew got attention because he won. Alessi got attention because he won. AC got attention because he won. That’s how it works. 

C.Worthy wrote:
Deegan is a social media influencer. He has a huge following whether he wins or not. Big difference. His dad is a marketing master and understands...

Deegan is a social media influencer. He has a huge following whether he wins or not. Big difference. His dad is a marketing master and understands branding his name and selling merch. It’s a double edged sword. The kid has so much attention on him that anything he does is scrutinized. It’s not because he wins, it’s because his dad has pushed him into the limelight. I wish the best for him but there’s plenty of other kids who focus on just riding and no being an influencer 

Do you honestly think we'd be talking about him this much if he was just a kid from a popular YouTube channel? Not a chance. He's being talked about because he wins. A lot. And for whatever reason, that's polarizing.

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1/29/2023 3:41pm Edited Date/Time 1/29/2023 3:43pm
Radical wrote:
My Take: The Bad: Deegan got a bad start, and rode slightly sketchy a few times, rushing to get to the front. He wasn't taken out...

My Take:

The Bad:

Deegan got a bad start, and rode slightly sketchy a few times, rushing to get to the front.

He wasn't taken out. He caught his left handlebar in the other rider's subframe.  That's his mistake.  He didn't simply wash the front end.

The Good:

He was fast, made passes confidently, and stayed aggressive throughout the race.

 

I'm torn over whether he should line up for the 250SX East series.  I don't think he should wait another year, but he's not up to championship pace yet.  If I were him, I'd go pro next weekend, get the experience, and keep working toward the front.

Then shoot to win the championship for MX 2023.  Tall order, I know, but that should be the only goal for every one who lines up.

With the way the rule is for pointing out now , I don’t see the point in not racing ,  it’s not like it was a few years back where you could burn a year by going up too early 

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To me, he has to race the east coast rounds. Even if he gets 10th-12th place (I say he does better). It has to be better than riding practice tracks for another 6 months. How much better can he get doing the same thing over and over every day.  

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1/29/2023 4:24pm

As someone who isn't a fanboy, I wonder how much the pressure effects him. AC talked about coming in with people saying he could be the one of the best ever. Most kids that come in with that much hype, normally don't live up to it. The hype and the hate both need to be pulled back.

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I’m talking strictly about the riding I saw, not the person he is.  Never met him.

Bunch of people with their opinion already made up before the race, just talking trash.

The kid showed remarkable speed.  Bad start, crash and still 5th.  Take his name off the jersey and the haters would say it was a decent ride.

He will be fine.  He will win a bunch of races in the future and Saturday night isn’t the end of the story.  If “they” bug you now, better start preparing yourself for years to come with his name at the front. 

Most riders struggle in their first SX under the lights. You can’t prepare for it.  No matter how many laps you do at the test track. Hope he rides east. Amateur for 1/2 year will do nothing for his progress.

He will be fine and fast AF.

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Regis wrote:
I’m talking strictly about the riding I saw, not the person he is.  Never met him. Bunch of people with their opinion already made up before...


I’m talking strictly about the riding I saw, not the person he is.  Never met him.

Bunch of people with their opinion already made up before the race, just talking trash.

The kid showed remarkable speed.  Bad start, crash and still 5th.  Take his name off the jersey and the haters would say it was a decent ride.

He will be fine.  He will win a bunch of races in the future and Saturday night isn’t the end of the story.  If “they” bug you now, better start preparing yourself for years to come with his name at the front. 

Most riders struggle in their first SX under the lights. You can’t prepare for it.  No matter how many laps you do at the test track. Hope he rides east. Amateur for 1/2 year will do nothing for his progress.

He will be fine and fast AF.

Remarkable  speed , really?

There was 3/4 other amatures in the same race ,with just as much or the same Remarkable speed .

 

And pole  sitter had  a dnf , 

 

He just one of many top amatures coming thru the system that have talent.

 

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Regis wrote:
I’m talking strictly about the riding I saw, not the person he is.  Never met him. Bunch of people with their opinion already made up before...


I’m talking strictly about the riding I saw, not the person he is.  Never met him.

Bunch of people with their opinion already made up before the race, just talking trash.

The kid showed remarkable speed.  Bad start, crash and still 5th.  Take his name off the jersey and the haters would say it was a decent ride.

He will be fine.  He will win a bunch of races in the future and Saturday night isn’t the end of the story.  If “they” bug you now, better start preparing yourself for years to come with his name at the front. 

Most riders struggle in their first SX under the lights. You can’t prepare for it.  No matter how many laps you do at the test track. Hope he rides east. Amateur for 1/2 year will do nothing for his progress.

He will be fine and fast AF.

bowl wrote:
Remarkable  speed , really? There was 3/4 other amatures in the same race ,with just as much or the same Remarkable speed .   And pole ...

Remarkable  speed , really?

There was 3/4 other amatures in the same race ,with just as much or the same Remarkable speed .

 

And pole  sitter had  a dnf , 

 

He just one of many top amatures coming thru the system that have talent.

 

Yes remarkable speed. 3/4 of the amateurs had the same speed? I want what you are smoking out of your bowl.

He and 29 qualified remarkably well compared to the others.  He got a bad start and crashed in the race.

Speed and results are two different things.

He has the speed.  
 

He will be fine.

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Is this the kid that needed a cheater motor in the 50 cc class?

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1/29/2023 5:18pm Edited Date/Time 1/29/2023 5:23pm
Regis wrote:
I’m talking strictly about the riding I saw, not the person he is.  Never met him. Bunch of people with their opinion already made up before...


I’m talking strictly about the riding I saw, not the person he is.  Never met him.

Bunch of people with their opinion already made up before the race, just talking trash.

The kid showed remarkable speed.  Bad start, crash and still 5th.  Take his name off the jersey and the haters would say it was a decent ride.

He will be fine.  He will win a bunch of races in the future and Saturday night isn’t the end of the story.  If “they” bug you now, better start preparing yourself for years to come with his name at the front. 

Most riders struggle in their first SX under the lights. You can’t prepare for it.  No matter how many laps you do at the test track. Hope he rides east. Amateur for 1/2 year will do nothing for his progress.

He will be fine and fast AF.

bowl wrote:
Remarkable  speed , really? There was 3/4 other amatures in the same race ,with just as much or the same Remarkable speed .   And pole ...

Remarkable  speed , really?

There was 3/4 other amatures in the same race ,with just as much or the same Remarkable speed .

 

And pole  sitter had  a dnf , 

 

He just one of many top amatures coming thru the system that have talent.

 

Regis wrote:
Yes remarkable speed. 3/4 of the amateurs had the same speed? I want what you are smoking out of your bowl. He and 29 qualified remarkably...

Yes remarkable speed. 3/4 of the amateurs had the same speed? I want what you are smoking out of your bowl.

He and 29 qualified remarkably well compared to the others.  He got a bad start and crashed in the race.

Speed and results are two different things.

He has the speed.  
 

He will be fine.

Quite a few had similar or better race speed. 

 

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Regis wrote:
I’m talking strictly about the riding I saw, not the person he is.  Never met him. Bunch of people with their opinion already made up before...


I’m talking strictly about the riding I saw, not the person he is.  Never met him.

Bunch of people with their opinion already made up before the race, just talking trash.

The kid showed remarkable speed.  Bad start, crash and still 5th.  Take his name off the jersey and the haters would say it was a decent ride.

He will be fine.  He will win a bunch of races in the future and Saturday night isn’t the end of the story.  If “they” bug you now, better start preparing yourself for years to come with his name at the front. 

Most riders struggle in their first SX under the lights. You can’t prepare for it.  No matter how many laps you do at the test track. Hope he rides east. Amateur for 1/2 year will do nothing for his progress.

He will be fine and fast AF.

bowl wrote:
Remarkable  speed , really? There was 3/4 other amatures in the same race ,with just as much or the same Remarkable speed .   And pole ...

Remarkable  speed , really?

There was 3/4 other amatures in the same race ,with just as much or the same Remarkable speed .

 

And pole  sitter had  a dnf , 

 

He just one of many top amatures coming thru the system that have talent.

 

Regis wrote:
Yes remarkable speed. 3/4 of the amateurs had the same speed? I want what you are smoking out of your bowl. He and 29 qualified remarkably...

Yes remarkable speed. 3/4 of the amateurs had the same speed? I want what you are smoking out of your bowl.

He and 29 qualified remarkably well compared to the others.  He got a bad start and crashed in the race.

Speed and results are two different things.

He has the speed.  
 

He will be fine.

Your right 3 Rd fastest lap time , so he nearly had the  speed ..

Oh well plenty more races to come.

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1/29/2023 5:45pm
As someone who isn't a fanboy, I wonder how much the pressure effects him. AC talked about coming in with people saying he could be the...

As someone who isn't a fanboy, I wonder how much the pressure effects him. AC talked about coming in with people saying he could be the one of the best ever. Most kids that come in with that much hype, normally don't live up to it. The hype and the hate both need to be pulled back.

Going off how hard he was trying(too hard) last weekend and previous pro races yeah I'd say there's a lot of pressure on him.

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Regis wrote:
I’m talking strictly about the riding I saw, not the person he is.  Never met him. Bunch of people with their opinion already made up before...


I’m talking strictly about the riding I saw, not the person he is.  Never met him.

Bunch of people with their opinion already made up before the race, just talking trash.

The kid showed remarkable speed.  Bad start, crash and still 5th.  Take his name off the jersey and the haters would say it was a decent ride.

He will be fine.  He will win a bunch of races in the future and Saturday night isn’t the end of the story.  If “they” bug you now, better start preparing yourself for years to come with his name at the front. 

Most riders struggle in their first SX under the lights. You can’t prepare for it.  No matter how many laps you do at the test track. Hope he rides east. Amateur for 1/2 year will do nothing for his progress.

He will be fine and fast AF.

bowl wrote:
Remarkable  speed , really? There was 3/4 other amatures in the same race ,with just as much or the same Remarkable speed .   And pole ...

Remarkable  speed , really?

There was 3/4 other amatures in the same race ,with just as much or the same Remarkable speed .

 

And pole  sitter had  a dnf , 

 

He just one of many top amatures coming thru the system that have talent.

 

Regis wrote:
Yes remarkable speed. 3/4 of the amateurs had the same speed? I want what you are smoking out of your bowl. He and 29 qualified remarkably...

Yes remarkable speed. 3/4 of the amateurs had the same speed? I want what you are smoking out of your bowl.

He and 29 qualified remarkably well compared to the others.  He got a bad start and crashed in the race.

Speed and results are two different things.

He has the speed.  
 

He will be fine.

Stop trying with this group, they are so blinded by their hate that they have lost common sense...

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deegan ball handlers are the only thing worse than the haters.

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During the Friday qualifiers he looked super quick and aggressive. I was surprised there were other kids (Futures) on the same level, let alone quicker. 

 

Go watch Stewart's first supercross, he struggled under the big spotlight as well. I'm sure he will be alright, but losing a few times sure puts a big dent in the old ego. Could make him better, or it could make him ride over his head.

 

Either way I'm sure he is not done cutting the track..... 

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1/29/2023 6:50pm

Once race and Yall seem to have deegan all figured out one way or the other. One race. 

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Once race and Yall seem to have deegan all figured out one way or the other. One race. 

Almost as dumb as the "I'm not a fanboy I just watch all the Youtube videos, he works harder than anyone" crowd

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Deegan did pretty good. All those kids are really good. The main thing is that they stay healthy and don’t have to fight injuries while they’re growing up. He had a successful race and did well, looked fast.

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1/29/2023 7:12pm

Once race and Yall seem to have deegan all figured out one way or the other. One race. 

zehn wrote:
Almost as dumb as the "I'm not a fanboy I just watch all the Youtube videos, he works harder than anyone" crowd

Almost as dumb as the "I'm not a fanboy I just watch all the Youtube videos, he works harder than anyone" crowd

Yea that’s why I said one way or the other. If he would have won or got 5th you can’t take much away from one race. 

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I had no idea he finished 5th and only 15 seconds behind the winner.   I only watched the futures main and in those first few laps he looked out of control.   Now looking back and seeing he got 5th, I would say he should line up next week in Houston.  If he just slows down a bit and takes a breath, he could get a top 10 and build from there.   How long was he down before he got back on the track?   I bet it was close to 15 seconds so he was obviously fast, you cant take that from him.   

It is fun to see people so hot and cold on a rider though, haven't seen this since Alessi.  Doing YT videos and selling merch really gets under some people's skin.   lol.   

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Start at 15 seconds. The kid on the honda is infront of him. He goes off the track rides down the straight and enters infront of...

Start at 15 seconds. The kid on the honda is infront of him. He goes off the track rides down the straight and enters infront of him.

He should be docked for that.  I haven’t looked maybe he was.  I don’t like this newer concept/rule of skipping the whole section.  I liked it...

He should be docked for that.  I haven’t looked maybe he was.  I don’t like this newer concept/rule of skipping the whole section.  I liked it better when you had to get right back on the track ASAP.  Like ASAP. Not 200 feet down the track.  

It's not like it would do anything but he did gain positions off the track. 

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Farmer J wrote:
Start at 15 seconds. The kid on the honda is infront of him. He goes off the track rides down the straight and enters infront of...

Start at 15 seconds. The kid on the honda is infront of him. He goes off the track rides down the straight and enters infront of him.

Should be a 2 position penalty, yeah?

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Farmer J wrote:
Start at 15 seconds. The kid on the honda is infront of him. He goes off the track rides down the straight and enters infront of...

Start at 15 seconds. The kid on the honda is infront of him. He goes off the track rides down the straight and enters infront of him.

Juck wrote:

Should be a 2 position penalty, yeah?

2 postions plus as many places as he gained,  so at least 3 positions. 

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Farmer J wrote:
Start at 15 seconds. The kid on the honda is infront of him. He goes off the track rides down the straight and enters infront of...

Start at 15 seconds. The kid on the honda is infront of him. He goes off the track rides down the straight and enters infront of him.

Juck wrote:

Should be a 2 position penalty, yeah?

scott_nz wrote:

2 postions plus as many places as he gained,  so at least 3 positions. 

Isn't it 1 position for gaining an advantage, plus 1 additional position for each rider passed?

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how does deegan stack up with Jett at his age?

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How did they build the hype up? From what I have seen and heard they are not the ones saying he is the next AC, Stew...

How did they build the hype up? From what I have seen and heard they are not the ones saying he is the next AC, Stew or Ricky….that was people on this forum and IG.

ACBailey89 wrote:
Social Media builds fan, and the fans fuel the hype train warranted or not. They unintentionally built the hype train through social media, but they built...

Social Media builds fan, and the fans fuel the hype train warranted or not. They unintentionally built the hype train through social media, but they built it none the less.

But they don’t use social media to build hype for racing.. they use it to make money. Which is what they’ve done. I can guarantee you Brian knows his following means nothing when it comes to race results. I agree with you that some fans are over the top about this kid but you can’t really blame the Deegans for finding a way to make the kid a bunch of money before his pro career starts. 

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Jrey2 wrote:

deegan ball handlers are the only thing worse than the haters.

LMAO, I almost had to give that a thumbs up.

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Tyler D wrote:

how does deegan stack up with Jett at his age?

Jett didn't milk out the futures with a factory bike. Time to put his big boy pants on.

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BobPA wrote:
During the Friday qualifiers he looked super quick and aggressive. I was surprised there were other kids (Futures) on the same level, let alone quicker.   ...

During the Friday qualifiers he looked super quick and aggressive. I was surprised there were other kids (Futures) on the same level, let alone quicker. 

 

Go watch Stewart's first supercross, he struggled under the big spotlight as well. I'm sure he will be alright, but losing a few times sure puts a big dent in the old ego. Could make him better, or it could make him ride over his head.

 

Either way I'm sure he is not done cutting the track..... 

Bubba qualified fastest, almost won, crashed, and still got second. He was also younger. There is no comparison.

 

The kid will be good but he's not the second coming that everyone is hyping him up to be. 

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