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Do you guys see any more deals coming down the lines? Kawasaki was just giving rebates, ktm and Honda both offering special deals on financing. It appears ktm does not include the mx versions, only the off road and duke/adventure group.
Im realy thinking about a new bike and im having a very hard time holding off. Lol
Will we see anymore deals like the kawi deals? Im not a huge Kawi fan so thats why i didnt bite on that. Should I just go buy one or hold off a bit longer?

I pick up my grandsons new 23 Husky tc125 Tuesday and im really thinking of adding a 23 Husky 350 to the back of the truck also. He has had 3 new bikes in the last year and a half and my last NEW one was an 85 XR200 (I was 15). Thinking i finally might deserve a new one??
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JazzyJJ 11/1/2022 8:00pm
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Absolutely. Overall economy is slowing and interest rates are climbing so people will have a harder time buying on credit.
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If you’re asking the people of Vital if you should buy a new bike, the answer will always be a unanimous yes. Life is short. You deserve it. Get the bike! (and share some photos)
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Dude….get the kawi. Trust me on that…..I don’t like kawasaki either but I love that bike
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thatswhathappens 11/2/2022 6:28am
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I’ve been looking hard for a Kawi deal and keep getting figures of around $8,600 OTD. Still steep.

Even with an RMZ250, the best figure I got was $7,700 OTD, which is still pretty insane for what you’re getting (or not getting, for that matter).
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thatswhathappens wrote:
I’ve been looking hard for a Kawi deal and keep getting figures of around $8,600 OTD. Still steep. Even with an RMZ250, the best figure I...
I’ve been looking hard for a Kawi deal and keep getting figures of around $8,600 OTD. Still steep.

Even with an RMZ250, the best figure I got was $7,700 OTD, which is still pretty insane for what you’re getting (or not getting, for that matter).
power motorsports, sublimity oregon.....should be able to get a kawi shipped to you for substantially lower than those figures. If you need contact info ill be happy to forward .....
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It's still crazy out there, the car dealerships had empty lots a year ago, now they are running out of space for inventory. But they still have stuff priced through the roof with more sales staff than customer's.

Interesting to see what happens in the next 6 months.
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Bruce372 wrote:
It's still crazy out there, the car dealerships had empty lots a year ago, now they are running out of space for inventory. But they still...
It's still crazy out there, the car dealerships had empty lots a year ago, now they are running out of space for inventory. But they still have stuff priced through the roof with more sales staff than customer's.

Interesting to see what happens in the next 6 months.
Because the chip shortage is no longer a thing and the production is starting to catch up. What will be interesting is those dealerships who went from zero cars on the lot to overflow. They pay interest on each new vehicle and now people are afraid to spend money. So those vehicles will sit on that lot for a long time. The deals will be killer when APR starts to come down and incentivizes purchasing a new vehicle (most likely the left over 2022-2023). We bought our new VW Atlas R Line right off the truck
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Bruce372 wrote:
It's still crazy out there, the car dealerships had empty lots a year ago, now they are running out of space for inventory. But they still...
It's still crazy out there, the car dealerships had empty lots a year ago, now they are running out of space for inventory. But they still have stuff priced through the roof with more sales staff than customer's.

Interesting to see what happens in the next 6 months.
Zycki11 wrote:
Because the chip shortage is no longer a thing and the production is starting to catch up. What will be interesting is those dealerships who went...
Because the chip shortage is no longer a thing and the production is starting to catch up. What will be interesting is those dealerships who went from zero cars on the lot to overflow. They pay interest on each new vehicle and now people are afraid to spend money. So those vehicles will sit on that lot for a long time. The deals will be killer when APR starts to come down and incentivizes purchasing a new vehicle (most likely the left over 2022-2023). We bought our new VW Atlas R Line right off the truck
If autos are like the MC industry they get roughly 3 months free flooring before the interest kicks in. After that 3 months when it starts costing them is when they will start dealing. Normally when the new year models start rolling in that they start waning to move last years models but it will probably be a couple years before that starts happening
vitalriderCrf 11/26/2022 10:12am
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Not to hijack the thread, but I still haven't seen a single 23 crf450r in Socal. Anyone know what the deal is?
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Some dealerships both two and 4 wheel will take a hit on the bottom line before they cut serious deals. They may offer some discounts and or factory rebates. In some cases will loose money or wholesale to other dealers before they cut a screaming deal.

With interest rates up they may push out charging interest if you pay within 12 months, but I’d you can’t payoff in 12 months crazy interest kicks in, which are some of the deals out there now.

I do think in a few more months they will get a little more competitive. They should have room with shipping and dealer prep and doc fees they charge to come down some.

The used market has changed some, as in people are not willing to pay a premium for a used bikes as in the past. Doesn’t mean sellers are coming down most just let used bikes gather dust.

Time will tell what the market does.


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Bruce372 11/26/2022 11:03am
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Vehicle repos are at record levels and wholesale used prices are dropping well below what's owed on them, and they aren't dropping retail prices for hope they get top dollar, and they aren't selling.

Gonna be an interesting 6 months.
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Bruce372 wrote:
Vehicle repos are at record levels and wholesale used prices are dropping well below what's owed on them, and they aren't dropping retail prices for hope...
Vehicle repos are at record levels and wholesale used prices are dropping well below what's owed on them, and they aren't dropping retail prices for hope they get top dollar, and they aren't selling.

Gonna be an interesting 6 months.
Plus don't forget the huge amount of carvana inventory that's gonna hit the market when they go bk
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Bruce372 wrote:
It's still crazy out there, the car dealerships had empty lots a year ago, now they are running out of space for inventory. But they still...
It's still crazy out there, the car dealerships had empty lots a year ago, now they are running out of space for inventory. But they still have stuff priced through the roof with more sales staff than customer's.

Interesting to see what happens in the next 6 months.
Zycki11 wrote:
Because the chip shortage is no longer a thing and the production is starting to catch up. What will be interesting is those dealerships who went...
Because the chip shortage is no longer a thing and the production is starting to catch up. What will be interesting is those dealerships who went from zero cars on the lot to overflow. They pay interest on each new vehicle and now people are afraid to spend money. So those vehicles will sit on that lot for a long time. The deals will be killer when APR starts to come down and incentivizes purchasing a new vehicle (most likely the left over 2022-2023). We bought our new VW Atlas R Line right off the truck
lumpy790 wrote:
If autos are like the MC industry they get roughly 3 months free flooring before the interest kicks in. After that 3 months when it starts...
If autos are like the MC industry they get roughly 3 months free flooring before the interest kicks in. After that 3 months when it starts costing them is when they will start dealing. Normally when the new year models start rolling in that they start waning to move last years models but it will probably be a couple years before that starts happening
With that being said, these three months will be eaten up with poor sales. Who is going out and buying new vehicles? So many people without jobs, and if you look at the banks breakdowns you see credit cards are up over 17% for max usage. Things are good to say the least. Next year (late) is when you will see those crazy good deals on vehicles. Then we will repeat this cycle but on smaller scale.

Once those screaming deals are finally gone, the dealerships will not order as many new units because they couldn’t move the other ones which inevitably means buying direct from the manufacturer again and then they catch back up with the new unit surplus
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Bruce372 11/26/2022 11:33am
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Bruce372 wrote:
Vehicle repos are at record levels and wholesale used prices are dropping well below what's owed on them, and they aren't dropping retail prices for hope...
Vehicle repos are at record levels and wholesale used prices are dropping well below what's owed on them, and they aren't dropping retail prices for hope they get top dollar, and they aren't selling.

Gonna be an interesting 6 months.
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Plus don't forget the huge amount of carvana inventory that's gonna hit the market when they go bk
Carmax had massive layoffs also, stock price in the toilet from poor sales.
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Carmax had massive layoffs also, stock price in the toilet from poor sales.
Yes they're done. Their inventory will be liquidated to satisfy their creditors and that along with everything else will totally crater the used car market. I've seen the amount of cars sitting on lots talked about, but a lot of dealers are already under water on many of those as they paid huge premiums to get used cars to sell just as the market was turning. Some dealers are sitting on 7 figures of losses when you look at just the difference between what they paid for cars at auction and what they could currently sell them for. This will only get worse as values continue to slowly slide.
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Dirt.Squirt 11/26/2022 12:55pm
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Just don’t forget which dealers jacked their dealer fees way up and acted like their shit didn’t stink when the market was hot vs the honest ones and do business with the ones that kept it real 👍🏼
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profeshenal125 11/26/2022 2:15pm
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Bruce372 wrote:
Vehicle repos are at record levels and wholesale used prices are dropping well below what's owed on them, and they aren't dropping retail prices for hope...
Vehicle repos are at record levels and wholesale used prices are dropping well below what's owed on them, and they aren't dropping retail prices for hope they get top dollar, and they aren't selling.

Gonna be an interesting 6 months.
JazzyJJ wrote:
Plus don't forget the huge amount of carvana inventory that's gonna hit the market when they go bk
Bruce372 wrote:
Carmax had massive layoffs also, stock price in the toilet from poor sales.
Amazon laid off ovr 10,000, countless people loosing there jobs now. Freight volume is down 65% some weeks. People now paying car loans, credit cards, personal loans , house.I
Deal with brokers all the time most lost there real jobs. I,ve been talking with 1 on and off all day. NC shipper is extremely disorganized and LAZy. Back to CT. For me I would rather be in the ground. Like 100% of us out here. 11hrs to drive 90 mi. Sit in DC traffic and here talk of applying the 25th amendment again for 7 hrs. I would wait to bike a bike . Because they will not be able to sell them . Just like 08-2016 150k plane selling for 30k. Or sports cars selling for nothing.
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Bruce372 wrote:
Carmax had massive layoffs also, stock price in the toilet from poor sales.
JazzyJJ wrote:
Yes they're done. Their inventory will be liquidated to satisfy their creditors and that along with everything else will totally crater the used car market. I've...
Yes they're done. Their inventory will be liquidated to satisfy their creditors and that along with everything else will totally crater the used car market. I've seen the amount of cars sitting on lots talked about, but a lot of dealers are already under water on many of those as they paid huge premiums to get used cars to sell just as the market was turning. Some dealers are sitting on 7 figures of losses when you look at just the difference between what they paid for cars at auction and what they could currently sell them for. This will only get worse as values continue to slowly slide.
I bought my 2018 tundra limited for 36k new, put 30k miles on it, sold it in 2021 to the same dealership for 40k

I can not even fathom how under water some of these dealerships are
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Moto520 wrote:
Dude….get the kawi. Trust me on that…..I don’t like kawasaki either but I love that bike
It's a great bike and it won the Swap Moto 23 shootout in 450s with a 4 year old package. So much for the YZ hype
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JazzyJJ wrote:
Absolutely. Overall economy is slowing and interest rates are climbing so people will have a harder time buying on credit.
And that’s the problem- buying on credit instead of cash
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Dirt.Squirt wrote:
Just don’t forget which dealers jacked their dealer fees way up and acted like their shit didn’t stink when the market was hot vs the honest...
Just don’t forget which dealers jacked their dealer fees way up and acted like their shit didn’t stink when the market was hot vs the honest ones and do business with the ones that kept it real 👍🏼
We will remember the ones that tried to eff everyone over .
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JazzyJJ 11/26/2022 3:30pm
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JazzyJJ wrote:
Absolutely. Overall economy is slowing and interest rates are climbing so people will have a harder time buying on credit.
CDA331 wrote:
And that’s the problem- buying on credit instead of cash
Credit isn't an issue when used responsibly, it actually will cost you more money and likely a significant amount throughout your life of you never use credit to buy anything.

Side note, are you in coeur d'Alene? I'm just getting back into riding and looking for a woods / off road bike. Would love to find some people to ride with come spring.
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Bruce372 wrote:
Carmax had massive layoffs also, stock price in the toilet from poor sales.
JazzyJJ wrote:
Yes they're done. Their inventory will be liquidated to satisfy their creditors and that along with everything else will totally crater the used car market. I've...
Yes they're done. Their inventory will be liquidated to satisfy their creditors and that along with everything else will totally crater the used car market. I've seen the amount of cars sitting on lots talked about, but a lot of dealers are already under water on many of those as they paid huge premiums to get used cars to sell just as the market was turning. Some dealers are sitting on 7 figures of losses when you look at just the difference between what they paid for cars at auction and what they could currently sell them for. This will only get worse as values continue to slowly slide.
Mossy940 wrote:
I bought my 2018 tundra limited for 36k new, put 30k miles on it, sold it in 2021 to the same dealership for 40k I can...
I bought my 2018 tundra limited for 36k new, put 30k miles on it, sold it in 2021 to the same dealership for 40k

I can not even fathom how under water some of these dealerships are
Good , eff'em
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The Carvana inventory will more than likely hit the used care auctions like the massive one in Houston called Odessa or something of that nature. May be the largest used dealer auction in the country. They will be bought up for cheap and then hit the big used care markets in major cities. Not sure there will be as many deals as some think. I’ve been through several economy ups and downs and yeah prices will come down some, but the screaming deals are limited. With that said, I’d like to get a screaming deal, Truck, dirt bike etc.!!!!
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profeshenal125 11/26/2022 5:18pm
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JazzyJJ wrote:
Plus don't forget the huge amount of carvana inventory that's gonna hit the market when they go bk
Bruce372 wrote:
Carmax had massive layoffs also, stock price in the toilet from poor sales.
profeshenal125 wrote:
Amazon laid off ovr 10,000, countless people loosing there jobs now. Freight volume is down 65% some weeks. People now paying car loans, credit cards, personal...
Amazon laid off ovr 10,000, countless people loosing there jobs now. Freight volume is down 65% some weeks. People now paying car loans, credit cards, personal loans , house.I
Deal with brokers all the time most lost there real jobs. I,ve been talking with 1 on and off all day. NC shipper is extremely disorganized and LAZy. Back to CT. For me I would rather be in the ground. Like 100% of us out here. 11hrs to drive 90 mi. Sit in DC traffic and here talk of applying the 25th amendment again for 7 hrs. I would wait to bike a bike . Because they will not be able to sell them . Just like 08-2016 150k plane selling for 30k. Or sports cars selling for nothing.
Apple phones suck so bad. Correction- people not paying car loans, c. Cards raised interest a lot of people said fu. Obama bailed the banks out then the banks rape people in return. People r loosing it tho big time. Purposely smashing others in there 150k suv trying to kill them along with there own family.to make it look like an accident. Because they know there done financially. Leaving DC and Va. pouring rain and there smashing each other so hard they send them into the woods. Poor police and firemen on the scenes hv to deal with these idiots. Shootings in traffic because someone blew there horn. Etc
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Dirt.Squirt wrote:
Just don’t forget which dealers jacked their dealer fees way up and acted like their shit didn’t stink when the market was hot vs the honest...
Just don’t forget which dealers jacked their dealer fees way up and acted like their shit didn’t stink when the market was hot vs the honest ones and do business with the ones that kept it real 👍🏼
MX558 wrote:
We will remember the ones that tried to eff everyone over .
We went in to see about a pit bike for my nephew to see if he took to it…I can’t remember what brand but it was one of those chinese semi auto 70s. The sticker price was 1600 and OTD would have been just under 4K…. I about puked..never have been back in there.
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I don't see the car market softening at all here. All the dealer lots are half full, with very few new cars or trucks available. They're still spreading out the vehicles so the lots don't look so empty.

I just sold my 2020 Silverado back to the dealer I bought it from. Got a very fair price and they were glad to have it.

Bought a 22 Tacoma used. It wasn't easy to find one with all the options I wanted, and they were selling fairly quick.
When I went to my local Toyota dealer to have the oil changed they only had a few new vehicles on the entire lot.
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Dirt.Squirt wrote:
Just don’t forget which dealers jacked their dealer fees way up and acted like their shit didn’t stink when the market was hot vs the honest...
Just don’t forget which dealers jacked their dealer fees way up and acted like their shit didn’t stink when the market was hot vs the honest ones and do business with the ones that kept it real 👍🏼
MX558 wrote:
We will remember the ones that tried to eff everyone over .
supply and demand, thats how this system works

you would do the same thing. If your used bike brings $10k would you sell it for $7k? probably not

dont be a socialist
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I imagine there’s going to be big rebates. I have a buddy who’s family owns a car dealership chain and he’s thinking big rebates on vehicles come Jan/Feb. with recreational vehicles I imagine there will be even more incentive to move inventory.
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Dirt.Squirt wrote:
Just don’t forget which dealers jacked their dealer fees way up and acted like their shit didn’t stink when the market was hot vs the honest...
Just don’t forget which dealers jacked their dealer fees way up and acted like their shit didn’t stink when the market was hot vs the honest ones and do business with the ones that kept it real 👍🏼
MX558 wrote:
We will remember the ones that tried to eff everyone over .
Socal trail rider wrote:
supply and demand, thats how this system works you would do the same thing. If your used bike brings $10k would you sell it for $7k...
supply and demand, thats how this system works

you would do the same thing. If your used bike brings $10k would you sell it for $7k? probably not

dont be a socialist
I have noticed on Facebook Marketplace that the people wanting a new 2023 are in the sell it now market and dropping prices $1000-$1500 to move them fast.

Kind of normal during this time of the year.
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