Paying to have a tire mounted for a dirt scooter ain’t cheap, think I’ll get rigged up to change my own.

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Edited Date/Time 11/13/2022 4:40pm
This isn’t real technical but thought the right place to post.

Not sure about where you live but my neck of the woods, League City, Tx, big burb, Houston area getting a tire changed is an experience. Not a cheap one either.

Had two tires mounted yesterday, took the take off tires home with me. Cost me 90 bucks at a motorcycle repair shop not far from me. Would have been 95 if I paid with a credit card. They originally told me 35 each but that changed. I didn’t even bother to ask why it was more than they quoted, I’m sure they ran me up for tubes which I didn’t need.
And it wouldn’t have don any good to argue. Most places hit ya for 20 bucks a tube and tell you after the fact. I was glad to find a place that would do them along with they didn’t scratch my black rims.

Some places I called said they would do it but wouldn’t give me a price, they wanted to see what I had first, that kinda made me scratch my head. Several I called said they do not mount dirt bike tires.

I know the dealers are supposed to cut ya a break on mounting if you buy through them, but buying a tire from the dealers around me is not cheap and they want you to buy what they sell, not what I want.

Thought I would try a different place this time. Couple of years back Yamaha shop charged me 118 bucks to mount two tires, but they replaced tubes which I needed and rim locks.

Along with it costing a lot to mount a tire, in my case wasn’t easy to find a place other than a dealer.

It’s going to be a while before I need tire work done again. When I do, plan to be rigged up and change my own going forward. I used to do it years ago. Have no idea what happened to my tire irons etc. Amazon should have everything I need.

Anybody else feel a little pain getting tires mounted. I bet a lot of you guys mount your own.

Thanks, Billy

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10/28/2022 8:02pm
If you’re going to do your own and don’t want to scratch your rims, have a look into either the Baja no pinch or Desert fox tooling. Also the Motion Pro spoons are a lot nicer than most other tyre tools!
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Baby powder, tire soap, good tire spoons, leaving your tires in the sun to get them warm and pliable, and taking smaller bites out of the bead with the spoons will make the job much easier.

A good tire changing stand helps but a 5 gallon plastic bucket works great.
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10/28/2022 8:24pm
Biggest thing I’ve learned is constantly pressing down the bead every bite or two.

I recently started putting the tube in the tire and pulling the valve stem through before starting to mount. It’s tricky to get the tire over the rim lock, but after a few times it’s not bad at all. Also, when removing a tire, I do one side completely, flip the wheel and pop the other side off too, then pull the rim out. (Doesn’t just pull right out, but it’s not bad)
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It’s been many many years since I changed a tire. Seems like I had a car rim turned upside down I used to use on my mothers driveway. It’s been that many years. I remember guys using buckets too.

I will look into the brand tools mentioned above. Will get a tire changing stand, put in my attic and drag it out when I need it.

Seems like I remember using baby powder to get the tubes to slide around and line up. I need to watch a few YouTube video’s.

I don’t mind spending money. What I can’t deal with is a place that says they won’t do it with changing tubes. But when I ask do you have tubes, they get this blank look on their face and say no we have to order them and it will take a few days to get them. Out the door I go!!!


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10/28/2022 11:34pm
I would suggest DirtbikeTV on YouTube. Jay Clark makes it look easy but he's got several slower videos showing how to do it. I recently started doing my own tires for the same reasons you mentioned.
Nice tire stand, 3 spoons, bead buddy, corn starch and soap in a spray bottle.
Cost of getting set up properly sucks but it pays for itself quickly. New set of Hoosiers I just mounted were easier than the Dunlops I was used to, not all tires are the same. I haven't tried doing a bib mousse yet either. Good luck.
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10/29/2022 2:21am Edited Date/Time 10/29/2022 2:36am
At the price the OP has said - if it did not include quality tubes ** - something as Exotic and Expensive as a Raboconda ( or it's numerous copies ) could pay for itself very quickly, if you go through a lot of tyres. Though, there are plenty of tyre changers that are far less expensive. Though, it's wise to do a tyre change with the very basics, from time to time, for when you get a puncture out in the bush.

I worked for 4 years in a shop that had no tyre machine, no tools other than levers. I did, probably, a few thousand tyre changes, at (eventually) lightening quick speeds. Nowadays, I'm probably the slowest tyre changer on earth. I'll take a day or two, and numerous meals and beverages, to do one tyre. Even with having a good, but basic tyre changing stand, plenty of trick levers and a Baja No Pinch tool. One day, I'll get a Rabaconda, for my couple of Tyre changes each year Whistling Thankfully (well, no, because it means I no longer ride as much as I used to / want to) I don't need to change tyres much, nowadays.

** OP : As to them running you up for tubes you didn't need , did they, or didn't they? A licensed workshop ( well, indeed a decent person) has the obligation to Not do dangerous work, to Not use / re-fit worn or damaged items. But, if they do, they should show you those parts / offer to return them to you. Tubes wear, tubes get damaged, before they split, valve stem areas rust, start to rip etc etc. If someone charges you more than quoted, they need to show why, and you need to be interested enough to know why. You may answer it was only $20.00 more than you were quoted, but you mentioned it, so 'only $20.00' being of no concern to you, isn't really the case, is it? Yes, I'm 'Auntie Bearing' you, but people need to know what's going on with their bike, and it's parts.

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10/29/2022 6:34am
Tusk tire irons(the ones with the red and black handle) and a bead buddy makes things a lot easier
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10/29/2022 6:40am
I just experienced this last week. Rear tire change was 50 bucks. They said it would be 30 if I bought a tire from them.

My gripe is, that I just spent 1500 with them a month ago. They want me to buy a 100 dollar tire for a discount, but won't give me the discount for spending 15 times that, bonkers mentality.

Six months ago, it was 20 no matter what.

I will no longer support this shop, and buy everything online and do my own tire changes.
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10/29/2022 8:46am Edited Date/Time 10/29/2022 2:30pm
I changed tires over a 5 gallon bucket since freshman year of high school. My boss just gave me a Tusk tire changer with the bead breaker (not a full tire stand) and I use it on the tailgate of my truck with some of my dads old tire irons and a bead buddy. Baby powder, soap, and good tire irons make it pretty easy and painless. Leave your tires/wheels in the sun for a couple hours to soften up the rubber, take small bites, and when you get frustrated take a break for 10 minutes and come back to it.

I worked at a shop for a couple years, most don’t cut you a break anymore on mounting if you buy the tire there, they charge you full retail for a Dunlop, and $20-$30 for a paper thin bike master tube, and always leave you with some sweet racing stripes on your black wheels.
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10/29/2022 2:04pm
I’m shocked by the amount of people that struggle!

Now a 10 inch mini ktm wheel, them fuckers are nightmare material
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10/29/2022 2:24pm
Buy some good tire irons and a bunch of spare tubes. You'll be set.
It took me about 20 years of trying until I could finally change a tire reliably. Before that, it was 50/50 whether I'd pinch the tube.
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10/29/2022 5:34pm
I can change a tire in 5 minutes… try mounting ice tires with liner in the freezing cold….pussies….
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10/29/2022 6:28pm Edited Date/Time 10/29/2022 6:28pm
sandman768 wrote:
I can change a tire in 5 minutes… try mounting ice tires with liner in the freezing cold….pussies….
Haha! Laughing I'll stick to Arizona!

I can't understand how anyone who rides with any kind of frequency pays these crazy prices to have tires swapped. I have changed thousands over the last 40 or so years. When I was young and broke I would literally swap between my "race tires" and "practice tires" week to week or even day to day. Nowadays, I will frequently do 8-10 tires in an hour or two every few weeks depending on who needs what done.

These guys have hit all the hi-lights. Watch many Jay Clark videos, always...always use baby powder in the tire and on the tube, and don't rush! It is all about TECHNIQUE and if you are having to force it or use your muscles you are doing it wrong.
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10/29/2022 6:34pm Edited Date/Time 10/29/2022 6:41pm
At 35 years old, I finally have gotten to the point where I didn’t hate life when I was done changing out two tires. Three tires irons. I like motion pro. Baby powder inside, tire lube on the bead, keep making sure it doesn’t seat on both sides. I also mount the tire, then do the tube, I use a wrench to line up the valve stem. I usually start setting it a few inches away from the rim lock. It takes practice, but yeah, now that people are charging so much to do it, you should learn. Now I can do it in the time it would take me to drive to and from the shop.

Edit: okay I looked up the Baja no pinch tool. What the fuck. This should be in every garage. I’m so mad I didn’t buy one the first day it was released.
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I would suggest DirtbikeTV on YouTube. Jay Clark makes it look easy but he's got several slower videos showing how to do it. I recently started...
I would suggest DirtbikeTV on YouTube. Jay Clark makes it look easy but he's got several slower videos showing how to do it. I recently started doing my own tires for the same reasons you mentioned.
Nice tire stand, 3 spoons, bead buddy, corn starch and soap in a spray bottle.
Cost of getting set up properly sucks but it pays for itself quickly. New set of Hoosiers I just mounted were easier than the Dunlops I was used to, not all tires are the same. I haven't tried doing a bib mousse yet either. Good luck.
Some good advice right here.
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sandman768 wrote:
I can change a tire in 5 minutes… try mounting ice tires with liner in the freezing cold….pussies….
FGR01 wrote:
Haha! :laugh: I'll stick to Arizona! I can't understand how anyone who rides with any kind of frequency pays these crazy prices to have tires swapped...
Haha! Laughing I'll stick to Arizona!

I can't understand how anyone who rides with any kind of frequency pays these crazy prices to have tires swapped. I have changed thousands over the last 40 or so years. When I was young and broke I would literally swap between my "race tires" and "practice tires" week to week or even day to day. Nowadays, I will frequently do 8-10 tires in an hour or two every few weeks depending on who needs what done.

These guys have hit all the hi-lights. Watch many Jay Clark videos, always...always use baby powder in the tire and on the tube, and don't rush! It is all about TECHNIQUE and if you are having to force it or use your muscles you are doing it wrong.
This ^^ exactly! As I have gotten more "experienced" (read:50+ nearing 60) I have come to realize that most people do not have what it takes (mechanical aptitude, proper tools, patience) to do most any mechanical work, and will F it up every time. I've been changing my own tires since I was 13, and (no lie) have never pinched a tube in all these years! I have changed tires for plenty of friends as well. As many have said before: It is much easier if the tire can sit in the sun for a couple of hours, or at least be in a warm place. Watch some videos on the subject, take your time and understand the small details that make it easier. Oh! wear some thin gloves to save your fingers!!
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10/29/2022 8:04pm
I like actual tire changing soap vs dish soap in water. Works much much better. I use 2 spoons and the big bar from Tusk to get the tire onto the rim and a bead buddy. Work on a tusk tire changing stand. I can get a tire on and a new one on in 15 minutes after watching Jay Clark on DirtbikeTV.

Its soooooo nice to not have to rely on a shop to change them. Not only do you save money, but time if you get good at it. My local shops would keep them for 2 days before I would get a call.
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10/29/2022 8:18pm
Absolutely hated doing tires, and tubes, I would always take my stuff to a shop and have to pay whatever they wanted to charge. I ended up getting a job at a shop, and wouldn’t ya know it, I got stuck doing the tire and tube jobs that would come in. After struggling with the first couple, I said there’s gotta be a better way. Came across this video, and now I can knock out tires and tubes without issue and usually pretty quick. Haven’t pinched a tube since I started doing tires like this. I use 2 motion pro tire spoons, 1 of the bigger tire spoons (like in this video) and a bead buddy. I need to invest into a tire stand next. https://youtu.be/QnuSbKms3Tc
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10/29/2022 9:00pm
I used to be okay at changing tires15 years ago, haven't done it in awhile. I tried doing it after watching the video below and thought I was doing great, until it came to getting the rim lock set on the tire. Had issues with that and am going to try again when I get a chance.

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10/29/2022 9:04pm
Cokeham23 wrote:
Absolutely hated doing tires, and tubes, I would always take my stuff to a shop and have to pay whatever they wanted to charge. I ended...
Absolutely hated doing tires, and tubes, I would always take my stuff to a shop and have to pay whatever they wanted to charge. I ended up getting a job at a shop, and wouldn’t ya know it, I got stuck doing the tire and tube jobs that would come in. After struggling with the first couple, I said there’s gotta be a better way. Came across this video, and now I can knock out tires and tubes without issue and usually pretty quick. Haven’t pinched a tube since I started doing tires like this. I use 2 motion pro tire spoons, 1 of the bigger tire spoons (like in this video) and a bead buddy. I need to invest into a tire stand next. https://youtu.be/QnuSbKms3Tc
RMATV has a lot of helpful videos. I think I figured out what I was doing wrong with the rimlock.
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I change a rear tire with a mousse without a rabaconda, just a tire bead breaker in 10 minutes if the mousse is already used..... If it is new it can take longer depending on the tire itself....

I am mecanically inclined but not an expert.... Seriously it is not difficult to change a tire with a tube... Just put some air in it to avoid pinching (it is still easy even with air in the tube).

It is all in the technique and YouTube is super helpful for that
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Motion Pro tire spoons made all the difference for me when changing tires. I think its motorsport.com had a good tire changing video too. I'll swap between practice and race tires weekly on my bike depending what I'm doing that weekend
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It's crazy dealerships charge $90. It's good for small shops like mine though, and why I change so many tires. If someone brings the wheel off the bike, I do $20 if they buy the tire from me or $25 if not. I add $10 if they bring the bike and I pull it.
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I’m shocked by the amount of people that struggle!

Now a 10 inch mini ktm wheel, them fuckers are nightmare material
14 inch front, 110s and 65s. These are the worst in my experience. Stock 110 tire not bad, but anything performance oriented is super low profile, narrow, and stiff AF sidewalls. Not fun!
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Do yourself a favor and buy some quality tools. If you ride enough, they will easily pay for themselves.

I prefer to change tires with the Baja No Pinch tool. I've yet to pinch a tube in 3 years of use and it just makes the whole process more simple.

Getting the technique down will take some practice and patience but it is worth it. Changing tires is one of my favorite things to do now and I take pride in leaving zero marks on black wheels.


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11/13/2022 4:39pm
I’m shocked by the amount of people that struggle!

Now a 10 inch mini ktm wheel, them fuckers are nightmare material
Skerby wrote:
14 inch front, 110s and 65s. These are the worst in my experience. Stock 110 tire not bad, but anything performance oriented is super low profile...
14 inch front, 110s and 65s. These are the worst in my experience. Stock 110 tire not bad, but anything performance oriented is super low profile, narrow, and stiff AF sidewalls. Not fun!
When I was disassembling my 110 project i seriously wanted to punch a hole in the wall trying to get those tires off. They were the stock ones from 2005 that sat outside in Florida since then. The rear took a lot of budging and way too many spoons but I got it off, I could not get the front off no matter what I tried. I ended just sawzawing the fucking thing before I destroyed something else in the process.

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